TheNiche Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 it's symbolism over substance. truly sad use of resources. why couldn't they raise money to build a halfway house or drug treatment facility? too practical and complex. it is far easier to shout "hallelujah" or build something that says "look at how spiritual we are" and pray for change.sad.Was it you, bachanon, that deleted my response to westguy? Or a different moderator? The answer to your question was contained therein.An accountant friend of mine has done some work auditing big churches. And that came as a harsh truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Who agreed that a 150 foot cross represents good? Or even God. As I understand crucifying people was pretty common back in those days and I don't remember any parables or stories of Jesus wearing a cross for all the thousands of other people that were crucified before him, or God telling people to wear a cross. That is a TOTALLY man-made phenomenon. Correct me if I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDeb Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Who agreed that a cross represents good?A couple billion people, for starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Who agreed that a cross represents good?Well, when you consider that it symbolisis the sacrafice for all man which gives them the opportunity to be reconciled to their creator and to be with him for eternity in heaven instead of eternity in hell where a person never dies and there is unbearable pain and gnashing of teeth, I'd say it represents good. Even if a person doesn't believe in that, if they understand the context, they should know how Christians view it and understand it represents good.But you're probably referring to the Crusades and all the other horrible people claiming to be Christians did and do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Well, when you consider that it symbolisis the sacrafice for all man which gives them the opportunity to be reconciled to their creator and to be with him for eternity in heaven instead of eternity in hell where a person never dies and there is unbearable pain and gnashing of teeth, I'd say it represents good. Even if a person doesn't believe in that, if they understand the context, they should know how Christians view it and understand it represents good.But you're probably referring to the Crusades and all the other horrible people claiming to be Christians did and do.That's a new one to me. Back in the day, when I used to go to church, that is not what a cross meant to me and the people around me. But, if it means all that to everyone else, then I say 150 feet isn't nearly big enough. Screw the FAA, make it 500 feet! Then the Martians will be able to find us better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 That's a new one to me. Back in the day, when I used to go to church, that is not what a cross meant to me and the people around me. But, if it means all that to everyone else, then I say 150 feet isn't nearly big enough. Screw the FAA, make it 500 feet! Then the Martians will be able to find us better.lol.What did it mean back then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Well, when you consider that it symbolisis the sacrafice for all man which gives them the opportunity to be reconciled to their creator and to be with him for eternity in heaven instead of eternity in hell where a person never dies and there is unbearable pain and gnashing of teeth, I'd say it represents good. Even if a person doesn't believe in that, if they understand the context, they should know how Christians view it and understand it represents good.I don't. I think it represents whatever some Christians want it to represent at the moment, and that's usually not good for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I don't. I think it represents whatever some Christians want it to represent at the moment, and that's usually not good for me.I thought you liked outdoor advertising, meme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I thought you liked outdoor advertising, meme?I love billboards. Lockmat was talking about what non-believers thought about crosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I don't. I think it represents whatever some Christians want it to represent at the moment, and that's usually not good for me.That is the correct view, but I see what you're saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLWM8609 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 As a Christian, I think the money spent on these crosses could be better spent on community outreach programs. Is a giant cross going to feed the homeless, drive the elderly to their doctor's appointments, or host gospel skate night? Yes, there is such as thing gospel skate night in some communities. keeps kids from doing other things. And no, they're not skating off of tunes by the famous Blind Boys of Alabama (that sure would be interesting to see, lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 article from today's chron I had thought these were just going to be plain ol' crosses, but this is much better than that. For great roadside attractions it really helps to ladle on the kitsch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I had thought these were just going to be plain ol' crosses, but this is much better than that. For great roadside attractions it really helps to ladle on the kitsch.Does anybody see a conflict in placing a Christian symbol atop a base that uses extensive Islamic architectural style (pillars, arches, stairs)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatieDidIt Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Does anybody see a conflict in placing a Christian symbol atop a base that uses extensive Islamic architectural style (pillars, arches, stairs)? I noticed that the othe day. I guess that's so Islam takes over the world, they can just whack down the cross part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedScare Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Does anybody see a conflict in placing a Christian symbol atop a base that uses extensive Islamic architectural style (pillars, arches, stairs)?Have you seen his new church next to the Woodlands? The only things missing are the minarets.Woodlands campus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryanS Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Does anybody see a conflict in placing a Christian symbol atop a base that uses extensive Islamic architectural style (pillars, arches, stairs)?Now you've really done it. They're gonna have to redesign the whole thing now... Or maybe that is what they were going for: Christianity over Islam? ... Hmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Now you've really done it. They're gonna have to redesign the whole thing now... Or maybe that is what they were going for: Christianity over Islam? ... Hmmm...So kinda like a new crusade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livincinco Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Does anybody see a conflict in placing a Christian symbol atop a base that uses extensive Islamic architectural style (pillars, arches, stairs)?Not really, the whole thing doesn't make any sense anyway, so why worry about little things like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo58 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I had thought these were just going to be plain ol' crosses, but this is much better than that. For great roadside attractions it really helps to ladle on the kitsch. Gives new meaning to the old phrase "Over the Top". Truly in bad taste, sure thouands will agree. Not here (Haif) as most love to contradict (for attention) of course, but elsewhere. See Chron and news forums comment/replies. May as well place a giant cherry on top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDeb Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Not here (Haif) as most love to contradict (for attention) of course,No we don't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Wahoo Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 That is also quite possibly the most poorly drawn map I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robhan Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 i have no problem with one nice cross or maybe a statue of Christ like many of the great cities of the world have. My peoblem is that many of the mega churchs have coffee houses and popcorn and theatre seating. As mentioned by an earler post there is a lack of social programs at many of these hugh churchs. Having saqid that I know several people who attend the mega churchs who do good works on theit own. Houston as mo9re help for the homeless, near homless, unemployed and underempoyed then many other cities.. As a Catholic I can point out to Magnificat House, Isiah House, Catholic Charities, Matha's Kitchen, Fishes and Loaves, and several fod banks. The Episcapalians have brakfast at Palmer Memoria, and Lord Of the Streets offer help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo58 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 i have no problem with one nice cross or maybe a statue of Christ like many of the great cities of the world have. My peoblem is that many of the mega churchs have coffee houses and popcorn and theatre seating. As mentioned by an earler post there is a lack of social programs at many of these hugh churchs. Having saqid that I know several people who attend the mega churchs who do good works on theit own. Houston as mo9re help for the homeless, near homless, unemployed and underempoyed then many other cities.. As a Catholic I can point out to Magnificat House, Isiah House, Catholic Charities, Matha's Kitchen, Fishes and Loaves, and several fod banks. The Episcapalians have brakfast at Palmer Memoria, and Lord Of the Streets offer help. I hear ya. I tested the Charismatic Center at Cullen once and that was the straw that broke the camel's back. When the rock band on stage started up, that's when I said "time to get out of here". Maybe we should have waited till they started passing the joint around? Do you feel like I do? (Peter Fampton jamming in the background). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 I hear ya. I tested the Charismatic Center at Cullen once and that was the straw that broke the camel's back. When the rock band on stage started up, that's when I said "time to get out of here". Maybe we should have waited till they started passing the joint around? Do you feel like I do? (Peter Fampton jamming in the background). You're aware that the Charismatics are not regular Catholics, right? They're Catholic pentecostals. After the band is done, they start speaking in toungues and healing people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memebag Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 You're aware that the Charismatics are not regular Catholics, right? They're Catholic pentecostals. After the band is done, they start speaking in toungues and healing people.Say what you will about them, they really appreciate good timpani. I played timpani at a pentecostal church one time. Early in the set I realized crescendo rolls sent them into ecstatic fits, so I really played those up. I've never felt so appreciated as a timpanist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchtastic Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Say what you will about them, they really appreciate good timpani. IWhew! At first I thought you meant timpano, and I was making a mental note to practice my shrieking and go the Charismatic Center this weekend to chow down on some giant, delicious, super-stuffed Italian pie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo58 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Whew! At first I thought you meant timpano, and I was making a mental note to practice my shrieking and go the Charismatic Center this weekend to chow down on some giant, delicious, super-stuffed Italian pie. Now that reminds me of Primal Therapy! Anyone remember that? I think it was like screaming as loud as you can in group therapy to release the years of mental anguish/trauma? National Lampoon did a great parody on it once. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primal_therapy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robhan Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Charismatics are real Catholics. Pope John Paul The Great and Pope benedict have both stated this. Most Charismatic Catholics I know are more prone to not be cafeteria Catholics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachanon Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 Was it you, bachanon, that deleted my response to westguy? Or a different moderator? The answer to your question was contained therein.An accountant friend of mine has done some work auditing big churches. And that came as a harsh truth.nope, not me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite_jim Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 The other day I mentioned Houston needed a monument to mediocrity, & to my ear to ear smile I got 2 of'm! FWIW this is just as absurd as people saying "the USA is a christian nation", I'm sure the Muslims, Hindu's, & other denominations will get a good laugh as well. CAN I GET AN AMEN !!! love it love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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