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At first glance it doesn't look like it's a redesign, but in fact there are definitely some changes. Most of these seem to be in front of the building and how the building addresses the street condition.

 

Before I point out what the differences are though. I would say that for once the redesign is actually better than what was before which hasn't been the case lately.

 

First look at both pics old and new. I really don't have the time to do all this stuff as I literally just arrived at work and this is usually 'catch up on the news' part of my morning. If someone would like to make a post with the old and new back to back that would be great :)

 

Once you look at the bottom fronts of the old and new the changes will be more apparent.

 

The old one had a very awkward front facing the street. For one it didn't really acknowledge the street. instead whoever is designing this thought that it would be cool to throw in what I have termed "the glass sandwich" and stuck it on the side and said 'oh look at me I'm a clever designer and I'm current with the architecture of the time. All done'. This approach to the building seemed like an after thought, and if you look at the new image you can see that clearly an attempt was made to better this part of the design. It's not perfect, but it very much succeeds where the other didn't.

 

So what about the new entrance? Probably the most striking is it's massing and geometry. Instead of an enormous vertical edge right from the sidewalk. It seems they moved the building back a bit and elongated the entrance to create a sort of stair step effect. Now you have an entrance that is more at a human/streetlevel scale. I'm also glad they redid the goofy 'glass sandwich'. The entrance simply has more variety. From what it looks like the majority of the building looks the same. Most of the same materials are still there as a whole. The overall look is still the same. I think we all want to take a look at the other side to really confirm that it really hasn't changed. I make my deduction of this from the garage. It literally is the same form and same material usage as it was before.

 

Thankfully it looks like they are keeping the office from before as well, but I'm sure there are some minor tweaks in that one too.

 

All in all it's actually a more mature design and they actually resolved a problem that I saw in the original.

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At first glance it doesn't look like it's a redesign, but in fact there are definitely some changes. Most of these seem to be in front of the building and how the building addresses the street condition.

Before I point out what the differences are though. I would say that for once the redesign is actually better than what was before which hasn't been the case lately.

First look at both pics old and new. I really don't have the time to do all this stuff as I literally just arrived at work and this is usually 'catch up on the news' part of my morning. If someone would like to make a post with the old and new back to back that would be great :)

Once you look at the bottom fronts of the old and new the changes will be more apparent.

The old one had a very awkward front facing the street. For one it didn't really acknowledge the street. instead whoever is designing this thought that it would be cool to throw in what I have termed "the glass sandwich" and stuck it on the side and said 'oh look at me I'm a clever designer and I'm current with the architecture of the time. All done'. This approach to the building seemed like an after thought, and if you look at the new image you can see that clearly an attempt was made to better this part of the design. It's not perfect, but it very much succeeds where the other didn't.

So what about the new entrance? Probably the most striking is it's massing and geometry. Instead of an enormous vertical edge right from the sidewalk. It seems they moved the building back a bit and elongated the entrance to create a sort of stair step effect. Now you have an entrance that is more at a human/streetlevel scale. I'm also glad they redid the goofy 'glass sandwich'. The entrance simply has more variety. From what it looks like the majority of the building looks the same. Most of the same materials are still there as a whole. The overall look is still the same. I think we all want to take a look at the other side to really confirm that it really hasn't changed. I make my deduction of this from the garage. It literally is the same form and same material usage as it was before.

Thankfully it looks like they are keeping the office from before as well, but I'm sure there are some minor tweaks in that one too.

All in all it's actually a more mature design and they actually resolved a problem that I saw in the original.

youre right.. that BLVD Place style front is now gone, and it does look like it interacts better with the street/pedestrian activity. glad the office building didnt appear to change, and they kept most of this the same.

"Pulled" these from the site.. Looks like the office tower is unchanged!

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youre right.. that BLVD Place style front is now gone, and it does look like it interacts better with the street/pedestrian activity. glad the office building didnt appear to change, and they kept most of this the same.

"Pulled" these from the site.. Looks like the office tower is unchanged!

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Danke schoen :D

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I find it a shame the residential tower lost it's curvy glass facade. While it doesn't look too bad, I just hope the color comes out darker brown than the super light BBVA beige.

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it still has its curve. Just look closer :P

The curve is on the south side isn't it?

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NOW WE'RE TALKING!  the hotel concept, reminds me of a snake that has gone through it's natural metamorphosis. new skin, fresh new outlook upon life.  heck, i think that i would enjoy lodging here at some 


point.  both edifice concepts now look fresh, fun, and ready for tenants / residences.  build them.. and we shall arrive!


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Another box that resembles the boxes they're about to erect downtown. I like the original rendering more.

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2100postoakLB.jpg

NOW WE'RE TALKING!  the hotel concept, reminds me of a snake that has gone through it's natural metamorphosis. new skin, fresh new outlook upon life.  heck, i think that i would enjoy lodging here at some 

point.  both edifice concepts now look fresh, fun, and ready for tenants / residences.  build them.. and we shall arrive!

 

snakes... metamorphose? 

 

I hate to think what they must turn into (and I actually like snakes)

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I was told that project is over budget due to construction costs going up. Sounded like design and/or scope might need to change.

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I was told that project is over budget due to construction costs going up. Sounded like design and/or scope might need to change.

What? Where is that from?

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construction costs are messing with a lot of projects right now... it's a huge concern. if you got it priced 6 months ago you're probably off by 10% now. that will kill a deal fast.

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I went to the Hilton Americas for breakfast yesterday and all the developers were there.  They said we will crash in 2016.  For $89 a cold egg wrap, it suck!  They said the 609 Main building is the best project and will be a icon for Houston.  Nothing said on Chevron getting concern if they will not build it.

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Chevron pushed the start date for its tower back to 2016 awhile ago. I see no reason for them to need to hype it up so long before groundbreaking. More troubling is the sudden rise in construction costs. I recall a recent article discussing that guards are being posted at certain sites to avoid poaching workers. I would love to see this project in its current form, but with the mass of new office space under construction and the shadow of the 1980's oil bust looming in the memories of many developers, I can just as easily understand cutting back on the size (and thus the costs of the project).

 

 

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If Chevron had started on the original date, they'd be paying for the workers now at the peak of costs.  Perhaps they are the smart ones -- if the "crash" happens, then construction labor will certainly become much cheaper if they start in 2016.

 

My parents ran into this, too.  They are building a house (almost done), and for various reasons the construction took far longer than expected (currently at 17 months), and partially due to rising costs, it's over 40% over budget.

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They said we will crash in 2016.

What will crash? Oil? Natural Gas? The US economy? Everyone I have talked to in the last few months hear swirling rumors of many companies looking to expand current offices/consolidate other US offices/completely move here. And this is all across the board of different industries.

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I went to the Hilton Americas for breakfast yesterday and all the developers were there. They said we will crash in 2016. For $89 a cold egg wrap, it suck! They said the 609 Main building is the best project and will be a icon for Houston. Nothing said on Chevron getting concern if they will not build it.

What event was it?

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construction costs are messing with a lot of projects right now... it's a huge concern. if you got it priced 6 months ago you're probably off by 10% now. that will kill a deal fast.

10%? I've been hearing costs have gone up almost 50%. And there are labor shortages. I wonder if any of those kids from Honduras know how to swing a hammer.

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They said we will crash in 2016.  For $89 a cold egg wrap, it suck!

Are they kidding? US GDP figures just came out at 4.2%. The latest Texas Labor Market Indicator showed Houston has created 110,000 jobs YOY. Shouldn't a 2016 crash be a concern some place like Dallas?

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I went to the Hilton Americas for breakfast yesterday and all the developers were there.  They said we will crash in 2016. 

 

 

I don't feel there will bust as the representative from Cushman said but it slow down a kittle bit.  

Choice of words my friend... 

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You are right, Chevron should have started construction the original date.  I have a bad feeling about it now. 

 

chevron didn't start as originally planned because they allocated funds for money-making endeavors rather than sunk costs; they still need the building; the resources are worth more elsewhere at the moment.

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Native, then why did you troll the word "Crash"?

 

I think we have all learned at this point not to take anything he says seriously.

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Why Dallas? wouldn't Houston's economy be more vulnerable considering its economy is mainly based on one industry? 

One would think. But Dallas' economy is highly sensitive to dot-com busts and sheds a lot of jobs at the drop of a hat. I think they are more construction-leveraged than Houston. We saw that in 2001 and again in 2008. Oil, by contrast, has been holding up real well.

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I'm also a little skeptical of any sort of "crash". 2014 was supposed to be the year the Houston economy hit the "pause" button, but hiring in the oil and gas sector added 5,000 jobs to the economy in the last two months, and there will be a lot of design engineers working on a lot of chemical plants over the next three years, so the party may continue for a while.

 

That is, until this town gets too expensive to live in.

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Hotel and office building

Location: Uptown on Post Oak Boulevard north of Westheimer and next to the BBVA Compass building at 2200 Post Oak Blvd.

Developer: Houston-based TRC Capital Partners

Original plan: In 2011, a group affiliated with the Redstone Cos. - now TRC Capital Partners - said it was planning a hotel and office tower on the Uptown site. It said the project was contingent on financing and could be underway within a couple of years.

Update: At the end of last year, the developer signed an agreement with a hotel brand and plans to break ground on a full-service hotel in the second or third quarter. The office building has been put on hold until a tenant can be found.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/real-estate/article/Cracks-forming-in-commercial-real-estate-market-6037038.php#/0

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Yeah.. A hotel & residential.. Likely one of those high end combos like a Ritz & Residences?

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Nice to hear there still may be some movement on this project...although there is a lot of planned hotel in Uptown right now. Landry's is laying the utilities needed to support theirs. Of course, there is also the long-rumored W in Uptown Park.

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The hotel is signed and there will be apartments on top. 

 

That said, don't look for a Ritz or a W. It's going to likely be a local boutique brand is what I am hearing.

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The hotel is signed and there will be apartments on top. 

 

That said, don't look for a Ritz or a W. It's going to likely be a local boutique brand is what I am hearing.

a local boutique brand?? crazy they can afford to build something this big. i wonder who is a large enough local to build that? Midway doesnt have anything in Uptown yet do they? maybe they are trying to hit all the major markets in town..

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Well Redstone Cos. owns The Houstonian so maybe it will be a extension of the Houstonian Hotel.

^^^ this.  x1000

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Hotel Icon...

Just kidding I have no idea.

Edit: I realize this joke wasn't funny to anyone who knows it's owned by Marriott.

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The hotel is signed and there will be apartments on top.

That said, don't look for a Ritz or a W. It's going to likely be a local boutique brand is what I am hearing.

Interesting, I had heard it would more than likely be a larger flag hotel as opposed to Redstone or something more boutique. Granted this was in October give or take.

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actually the above design favors a W HOTEL brand rather than a redstone brand.  maybe i'm just dreaming....

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