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2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION: Obama (D-IL) vs. McCain (R-AZ)

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Not surprising. McCain has been remaking himself into a traditional republican, so becoming a tool of the oil industry is expected. How else can he compete with the grass roots donations to Obama? John McCain's turn to the dark side is now complete.

Sadly, there goes any hope for better environmental policies if McCain wins. His corporate lobbyists will never stand for it.

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DJ, you have to get Obama to agree to a debate first, before you can have one. He won't accept McCain's challenge. Vice President thing is just a, " You show me your's and I'll show you mine." sort of thing. Strictly a game of chicken between them.

McCain proposed townhall debates and Obama and his campaign said it sounded like a great idea. McCain proposed one in New York. Mayor Bloomberg set a date and time, and both McCain and Obama rejected it the times. And that was the very last time we heard about these townhall debates.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25050930/

So did Obama really reject the idea? No.

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Lot of "feelings" in this thread. A flood of feelings and emotions...we like, we love, we hate and of course the ick factor of bracelets.

What happened to ideology and 'thinking'? We don't care who you like. This isn't a celebutante vying for Miss Congeniality. Whether or not a candidate wears a bracelet doesn't matter--though apparently in Houston it does, God save us all.

Does this candidate intend to take 40% of your hard-earned money rather than 25%?

Will this guy make you support even more people who don't own alarm clocks?

How many more illegal aliens will now be squeezed into your son's classroom because of this candidate's policies?

Will Iran bomb Israel when your guy is elected?

Enough with the hysterical he-is-just-so-cute or he-is-such-a-hero gushing. Each guy may be The One--but which has the best ideology?

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Does this candidate intend to take 40% of your hard-earned money rather than 25%?

-Wasn't McCain against the Bush tax cuts before he was for them?

Will this guy make you support even more people who don't own alarm clocks?

-Don't know either candidate is for this, just a parroted right wing talking point.

How many more illegal aliens will now be squeezed into your son's classroom because of this candidate's policies?

-Wasn't McCain for "amnesty" before he was against it? Or is he for it again? Hard to keep up with this guy.

Will Iran bomb Israel when your guy is elected?

-No, we will bomb Iran and our president will joke about it. Very presidential and ready to lead don't you think? Israel will take care of Iran themselves when they feel they have to.

Enough with the hysterical he-is-just-so-cute or he-is-such-a-hero gushing. Each guy may be The One--but which has the best ideology?

So based on the above questions you are going to vote for Obama? Or maybe Bob Barr? Certainly McCain doesn't fit your criteria.

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Enough with the hysterical he-is-just-so-cute or he-is-such-a-hero gushing. Each guy may be The One--but which has the best ideology?

Eight years ago McCain had an admirable ideology. Now he just wants to be president. I'm not sure why.

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Um, yeah, he DID reject it. He says he is only up to 4 or 5 possible debates. Only the normal 3 have been agreed to. Obviously Obama doesn't care to, or possibly risk, answering any pointed questions.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/..._to_townha.html

Both McCain and Obama rejected because Bloomberg wanted the debates on July 4th. Why oversaturate the debates now anyway?

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Both McCain and Obama rejected because Bloomberg wanted the debates on July 4th. Why oversaturate the debates now anyway?

Sure your right, don't want to get "oversaturated" with too much Obama, the American people might accidentally find out what he actually "stands for", and ruin any REAL chance he has at the White House.

Here's some light reading for you.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/9...message_of.html

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I am curious if anyone has changed their minds about their candidates or if their chosen candidates said something to give them second thoughts about them.

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Sure your right, don't want to get "oversaturated" with too much Obama, the American people might accidentally find out what he actually "stands for", and ruin any REAL chance he has at the White House.

Here's some light reading for you.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/9...message_of.html

I really hope you are not talking about flip-flopping. McCain just did another major one today with his new ad.

But hey, you can join McCain in watching his wife try out for Ms Buffalo Chips. He volunteered her

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I really hope you are not talking about flip-flopping. McCain just did another major one today with his new ad.

But hey, you can join McCain in watching his wife try out for Ms Buffalo Chips. He volunteered her

I can't wait to see how she handles the banana.

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:lol:

The funny thing about that is, it was prepared. He was reading from a music stand. He said some other things, too (about inflated tires, etc.), and Obama had a good response to that.

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I am curious if anyone has changed their minds about their candidates or if their chosen candidates said something to give them second thoughts about them.

No. The problem with a two-party system is that you don't really have a real choice. If you get fed up with the candidate that best represents your views, it's not like you're going to vote for the other party's candidate. That means the candidates can go soft on some issues b/c they know you won't vote for the other guy, who has an even worse stance on the issue. That said, there are still enough major differences between the two to justify one over the other IMO.

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I am curious if anyone has changed their minds about their candidates or if their chosen candidates said something to give them second thoughts about them.

My candidates never stood a chance of winning a primary. These guys we're going to vote for can't say anything that would cause second thoughts, since I'm not that enamored of either of them. All they can do is surprise me. Neither can disappoint me. My expectations are just that low.

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I can't wait to see how she handles the banana.

She can handle the banana just fine, that's why John married her ! ;):lol:

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I am curious if anyone has changed their minds about their candidates or if their chosen candidates said something to give them second thoughts about them.

I just want to know who the VP's are. . . dammit!

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It's gonna be Kaine for Obama. I will see who John was talking about the other day and report.

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I've heard Bayh.

So 100% no Hillary for VP.

I am behind in my campaign news, so I must not have gotten the memo that the whole VP talk is over between them, or it just never happened?

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If Obama picked Biden, that might do him some good. Biden is a little more Moderate than Obama and might help even him out a little bit. Biden wouldn't sway me to vote for Obama though.

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So 100% no Hillary for VP.

That's what I've heard. There's too much bad blood between them after the nomination race, plus there's the Bill Clinton factor.

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Here's some entertaining video. Edited by TJones

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Trae, you poor thing, couldn't find anything better than a bunch of innuendo from a "supposed" Republican. Try running a video that has McCain saying these things himself. Then you'll have a little more credibility. BTW, how long has Obama's kids been speaking spanish ?

Here Trae, since you like the "goofier" Youtube stuff.

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Trae, you poor thing, couldn't find anything better than a bunch of innuendo from a "supposed" Republican. Try running a video that has McCain saying these things himself. Then you'll have a little more credibility. BTW, how long has Obama's kids been speaking spanish ?

Here Trae, since you like the "goofier" Youtube stuff.

Oh lawd. Is this better for you:

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Speaking of entertaining video, I think The Daily Show sums it up best:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jh...the-week-mccain

I was laughing my ass off when I watched this episode live.

The Daily Show is truly smart. Not sure why people still fall for the Democrats being the party of the elites other than their own stupidity. I went to Kinkaid. I'd guess that at least 80% of the kids and parents there are Republican-voting, Houston Country Club golfing, private ranch hunting, BMW (girl) or monster truck/suv (boy) driving (what a swell sweet 16th gift), Summer Camping (Waldemar gives you a diamond ring!), double mocha latte sipping, Jerry Jeff Walker loving (or at least their bumper stickers say so), future/past Texas-Exes laughing their asses off in their Tanglewood-River Oaks- Hunter's Creek estates that Bubba and Lucy-Sue still think that The Republican Party is the party of the people...

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McCain promises "other wars":

"He will make Cheney look like Gandhi." - Pat Buchanan

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In field of architecture & art you learn the multiple facets & compositional aspects of marketing that shape people's perception of brand.

The britany/paris/obama ad is at it's marketing core a vile racist template showing a black man with two white women, what better way to rekindle fear into the jim crow reverie of middle America. The context of it being a popularity contest is a smoke screen & to argue that point is quite telling of your inability process basic image communication or that of your intellectual dishonesty.

This is the smoking gun of an intentionally subliminal level that racism is alive and well in today's America and being disseminated to the masses for consumption, simply disgusting.

Ignorance is strength. :rolleyes:

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In field of architecture & art you learn the multiple facets & compositional aspects of marketing that shape people's perception of brand.

The britany/paris/obama ad is at it's marketing core a vile racist template showing a black man with two white women, what better way to rekindle fear into the jim crow reverie of middle America. The context of it being a popularity contest is a smoke screen & to argue that point is quite telling of your inability process basic image communication or that of your intellectual dishonesty.

This is the smoking gun of an intentionally subliminal level that racism is alive and well in today's America and being disseminated to the masses for consumption, simply disgusting.

Ignorance is strength. :rolleyes:

Jim, I want to get some of that stuff you are smoking.......apparently it is VERY good ?!?

The Obama/Britney/Paris ad has nothing to do with racism and EVERYTHING to do with how easily people will get caught up with trash celebritants. Obama is the new "Tabloid hit of the week!". McCain was simply exploiting that angle by comparing Obama to Brit and Paris to show that he has about as much merit and value to our country as those other two panty dropping hos, and not to get caught up in all his hype. I am NOT a McCain supporter and it was very easy to see what the TRUE message was in that ad. Your take on it about a blackman with 2 white girls shows exactly where your shallow mind is, the gutter. I expected better from you.

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Jim, I want to get some of that stuff you are smoking.......apparently it is VERY good ?!?

The Obama/Britney/Paris ad has nothing to do with racism and EVERYTHING to do with how easily people will get caught up with trash celebritants. Obama is the new "Tabloid hit of the week!". McCain was simply exploiting that angle by comparing Obama to Brit and Paris to show that he has about as much merit and value to our country as those other two panty dropping hos, and not to get caught up in all his hype. I am NOT a McCain supporter and it was very easy to see what the TRUE message was in that ad. Your take on it about a blackman with 2 white girls shows exactly where your shallow mind is, the gutter. I expected better from you.

Funny how McCain has no pulled Britney and Paris from his ad don't you think?

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Funny how McCain has no pulled Britney and Paris from his ad don't you think?

Why do you think it was pulled Trae ?

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Why do you think it was pulled Trae ?

Kind of obvious why it was pulled.

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Kind of obvious why it was pulled.

I am not keen on the "obvious" here. So please clue me in on why it was pulled. I wasn't aware that it was pulled.

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I remain undecided and not excited about voting. If I base anything on TV commercials, which I don't, I'd be deciding between the shallow pretty boy puppet who is reading cliches out of the annoying book of politics (complete with face/hand gesture instructions), or the old man who can't seem to look at anything straight. Maybe he's blind or something, he's always staring off into nothingness in the damn commercials. And don't show oil platforms in your damn commercial. Is that supposed to motivate me in some way?

Still leaning toward going to work that morning instead of voting. It would seem to be more productive. Hoping that changes by November.

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I am not keen on the "obvious" here. So please clue me in on why it was pulled. I wasn't aware that it was pulled.

Because it was stupid and childish. The McCain camp got a lot of heat for it, and even Paris Hilton chimed in on it. I was watching TV today, and when it came on, they only had the Obama/Germany thing with the flashing bulbs and stuff. No mention, or showing of Britney or Paris.

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You've been Ba-rack Rolled.

So, the ad was pulled because Barack is NOT considered a big of a star as Paris or Britney and is in the lowly ranks of only a "one hit wonder" like Rick Astley ? Well, that makes sense then.

I knew Paris chimed in because she certainly didn't want to be compared to Obama ? I guess the girl is smarter than I thought.

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So, the ad was pulled because Barack is NOT considered a big of a star as Paris or Britney and is in the lowly ranks of only a "one hit wonder" like Rick Astley ? Well, that makes sense then.

I knew Paris chimed in because she certainly didn't want to be compared to Obama ? I guess the girl is smarted than I thought.

She's probably smart enough to spell "smarter" :lol: Sad thing is her "energy policy" made more sense than either candidate.

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Uh, the Hilton's gave the maximum amount of money to McCain's campaign. Then they pooed all over their daughter in one of their ads.

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One thing that hasn't been discussed yet is the Supreme Court. The 5 facts below have greatly influenced my vote!

1. Justice Ginsberg is 75

2. Justice Breyer is 69

3. Justice Souter is 68

4. Justice Stevens is 88

5. and everybody's favorite swing vote, Justice Kennedy is 72.

McCain promises to keep up W's tradition on appointments and we have seen how well they are working out.

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So, the ad was pulled because Barack is NOT considered a big of a star as Paris or Britney and is in the lowly ranks of only a "one hit wonder" like Rick Astley ? Well, that makes sense then.

I knew Paris chimed in because she certainly didn't want to be compared to Obama ? I guess the girl is smarted than I thought.

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There are less important things than Paris Hilton. How about the first proxy war in ages? McCain's response was cringe-inducing.

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