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A southeast Houston homeowner shot a burglary suspect yesterday afternoon after he was victimized twice in a week, looks like they are through taking crap off of burglars again. We'll see if this turns into another Joe Horn fiasco. Of course I don't think this guy killed the suspect, just wounded him., and he shot this guy in his own backyard. Might not be as big a deal as Mr. Horn's ordeal.

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they interviewed him earlier....there's no way he'll be charged from what the media was presenting.

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A southeast Houston homeowner shot a burglary suspect yesterday afternoon after he was victimized twice in a week, looks like they are through taking crap off of burglars again. We'll see if this turns into another Joe Horn fiasco. Of course I don't think this guy killed the suspect, just wounded him., and he shot this guy in his own backyard. Might not be as big a deal as Mr. Horn's ordeal.

Troll, troll, troll your boat. . .

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The man deserves an award!

I was cheering him on as the news anchor was interviewing him. Every single word he said made perfect sense!

Keep up the good work!

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Did he call the cops, tell them the criminal was running down the street, then say he was going to shoot the guy and then shoot him after the cops said not to and then change the story and say the guy was in his yard? (that was the Joe Horn scenario right?)

I think if the criminals were actually in his house on on his property or whatever and it was clearly in self defense, then it is a totally difference case altogether.

He at didn't say something that would lead people to believe it was not in self defense like Joe Horn did...

Edited by Jax

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A huge THANKS to these two gentlemen that have tried to help CLEAN UP our Houston streets and neighborhoods. As long as people like these guys keep taking out the TRASH perhaps would be criminals will start thinking twice. I love the commentary on that video link where the old man said the criminal told him, "What are you doing here ? You weren't supposed to be here." Then the oldman calls him a real dumbass, LOL!!!!

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I totally agree.

Criminals need to be reminded that their chosen profession has some hazards that come with the "job".

to be honest, I'm surprised a guy hasn't gone "Death Wish" and taken out a few of these morons out in the street.

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We need to start building some Robocop's y'all.

I loved when the homeowner was looking straight into the camera and very clearly saying " I want you to know if you come into my house I have something here waiting for you". Priceless! :P

Give that man the key to the city!

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I totally agree.

Criminals need to be reminded that their chosen profession has some hazards that come with the "job".

to be honest, I'm surprised a guy hasn't gone "Death Wish" and taken out a few of these morons out in the street.

I had over $1,000 worth of copper and upwards of another $1,000 worth of tools stolen from a job site just this week, probably by one of the day laborers that have been working there. :angry:

Really makes me wish I'd been living in that building already (or that I hadn't been in Austin when it went down). There's evidence that they broke in again the following night, but didn't take anything more.

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I had over $1,000 worth of copper and upwards of another $1,000 worth of tools stolen from a job site just this week, probably by one of the day laborers that have been working there. :angry:

Really makes me wish I'd been living in that building already (or that I hadn't been in Austin when it went down). There's evidence that they broke in again the following night, but didn't take anything more.

They probably thought you would have gone out and replaced the tools the next day. I had to learn the same lesson once. I have caught day laborers in the act once, trying to steal the cabinets that were in the garage. Pressed charges and all, think they got deported. They weren't my workers but they were from another jobsite down the street. I've had shingles, sod, wood, tools, doors, garage door openers all stolen when I was building.

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Troll, troll, troll your boat. . .

Don't know who you are talking about......Troll......you don't know me very well to be kidding. I got your troll! Crawl back in your hole dweeb, and go find some kids to play with.

Link?

Mac didn't think you needed a link, it was on every TV station, every radio station that gives any news. I saw it on the 6:00 PM and the 10:00 PM broadcasts. Didn't know how to link you to the TV.

We need to start building some Robocop's y'all.

I loved when the homeowner was looking straight into the camera and very clearly saying " I want you to know if you come into my house I have something here waiting for you". Priceless! :P

Give that man the key to the city!

Just need to buy more shotgun shells that's all.

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Don't know who you are talking about......Troll......you don't know me very well to be kidding. I got your troll! Crawl back in your hole dweeb, and go find some kids to play with.

Mac didn't think you needed a link, it was on every TV station, every radio station that gives any news. I saw it on the 6:00 PM and the 10:00 PM broadcasts. Didn't know how to link you to the TV.

Just need to buy more shotgun shells that's all.

To be honest, I never (well, rarely) watch the local news. I will check Click2Houston.

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A huge THANKS to these two gentlemen that have tried to help CLEAN UP our Houston streets and neighborhoods. As long as people like these guys keep taking out the TRASH perhaps would be criminals will start thinking twice. I love the commentary on that video link where the old man said the criminal told him, "What are you doing here ? You weren't supposed to be here." Then the oldman calls him a real dumbass, LOL!!!!

It sucks that despite the fact that people like this are "cleaning up" the streets that places like Texas still have worse crime than places where guns are banned. :(

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It sucks that despite the fact that people like this are "cleaning up" the streets that places like Texas still have worse crime than places where guns are banned. :(

You must be talking about D.C. and New York. Frankly, I think there should be tighter controls on guns, but if you pass a check, you get one.

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They probably thought you would have gone out and replaced the tools the next day. I had to learn the same lesson once. I have caught day laborers in the act once, trying to steal the cabinets that were in the garage. Pressed charges and all, think they got deported. They weren't my workers but they were from another jobsite down the street. I've had shingles, sod, wood, tools, doors, garage door openers all stolen when I was building.

And to add you could buy your own CCTV camera and hide it somewhere so you can see the people stealing your stuff.

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It sucks that despite the fact that people like this are "cleaning up" the streets that places like Texas still have worse crime than places where guns are banned. :(

Is this proven or just propaganda?

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Is this proven or just propaganda?

Here are some 2006 stats. RedScare had some interesting commentary on it in another thread a while back...

In my original comment I had Europe and Canada in mind, not NY and DC.

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Then you should have also read this link on that page.

also note from one through 11 (Texas is 12)

South Carolina

Florida

Massachusetts

Tennessee

New Mexico ??

Louisiana (DUH!)

Alaska ?? Do they count bear attacks?

Nevada

Delaware

California

Illinois

Rate per 100,000 population. Based on Census Bureau estimates as

of July 1.

Take a look at the list and see why they are on the list. Now think about how the rankings are made as far as population goes and what cities are there. I know TN is up there because they're having some major issues with Meth users.

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I think they are normalized for population. I reposted the link with the 2005 stats from the FBI.

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I think they are normalized for population. I reposted the link with the 2005 stats from the FBI.

Considering Texas is ranked 2nd Nation as far as population, you don't see a bit of a discrepancy?

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Alaska has a very low population and a very high rate of depression, drug abuse, and alcoholism, especially among native peoples. Part of this is probably due to the weather and being holed up inside for 9 months a year. Another part is probably the fact that the state government gives so much money to natives (oil money) that a lot do not work and have more time to make trouble. I'm not saying the violent crimes are all natives by any means, I've just read their alcoholism rate and depression rate is crazy high.

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Considering Texas is ranked 2nd Nation as far as population, you don't see a bit of a discrepancy?

You're correct. The FBI stats aren't normalized.

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In my original comment I had Europe and Canada in mind, not NY and DC.

And in my opposition to you, I have Austria in mind.

The only thing that comparing our experience to foreign experiences will yield is a conclusion that it's not the guns, it's the people.

In my experience, Americans tend to be less docile than their European counterparts. We are far more motivated as individuals to control our own fate and to engage in self-serving action of some kind, for better or worse. The good part of that tendency is economic. We're innovative risk-takers. The bad part of it is that poor folks, especially, who don't have the means to take charge of their life in other ways, tend to be more prone to violence.

The ugly necessity, though, is that it is our dynamism that makes us unstable in a political sense. Charismatic nobodies preaching an undefined vision of hope and change can gain a lot of political backing solely because they have the ability to make people feel good without thinking first...and there are very plausible circumstances in which an armed revolt may be necessary to prevent such a person or perhaps that person's successor from moving towards dictatorship.

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Charismatic nobodies preaching an undefined vision of hope and change can gain a lot of political backing solely because they have the ability to make people feel good without thinking first...and there are very plausible circumstances in which an armed revolt may be necessary to prevent such a person or perhaps that person's successor from moving towards dictatorship

Armed revolt? What are you talking about?

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And in my opposition to you, I have Austria in mind.

The only thing that comparing our experience to foreign experiences will yield is a conclusion that it's not the guns, it's the people.

In my experience, Americans tend to be less docile than their European counterparts. We are far more motivated as individuals to control our own fate and to engage in self-serving action of some kind, for better or worse. The good part of that tendency is economic. We're innovative risk-takers. The bad part of it is that poor folks, especially, who don't have the means to take charge of their life in other ways, tend to be more prone to violence.

The ugly necessity, though, is that it is our dynamism that makes us unstable in a political sense. Charismatic nobodies preaching an undefined vision of hope and change can gain a lot of political backing solely because they have the ability to make people feel good without thinking first...and there are very plausible circumstances in which an armed revolt may be necessary to prevent such a person or perhaps that person's successor from moving towards dictatorship.

Thanks for the Sunday morning amusement. I find it especially poignant that you advocate armed revolt against the possible election of a candidate who is against war as a primary method of diplomacy, yet seem to praise thieves and war mongerers as "the good part of that tendency". In a thread praising violence as a virtue, I suppose that is to be expected.

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Thanks for the Sunday morning amusement. I find it especially poignant that you advocate armed revolt against the possible election of a candidate who is against war as a primary method of diplomacy, yet seem to praise thieves and war mongerers as "the good part of that tendency". In a thread praising violence as a virtue, I suppose that is to be expected.

I did not say it was Obama. ...oh, does he fit those characteristics? Hmmm...interesting. -_- I guess we'll see what happens. :shrug:

Also, I did not praise thieves or war mongers. I praised innovation and willingness to take on risk, principles that can be corrupted but that are on the whole tremendously valuable to society.

In any case, a preservation of the individual's right to bear arms has nothing to do with crime, self-defense, sport, hobby, or any other peripheral matter. It is the ultimate check on tyranny. That is all.

Armed revolt? What are you talking about?

You're Canadian. You wouldn't understand.

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In any case, a preservation of the individual's right to bear arms has nothing to do with crime, self-defense, sport, hobby, or any other peripheral matter. It is the ultimate check on tyranny. That is all.

Tell that to the Iraqis.

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.and there are very plausible circumstances in which an armed revolt may be necessary to prevent such a person or perhaps that person's successor from moving towards dictatorship.

O. M. G.

:o

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Tell that to the Iraqis.

No. Theirs is a different culture from Western Europe, Canada, or the U.S. Lessons from our past don't necessarily apply to one another's much less to theirs.

You're really grasping at straws on this one, Red.

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O. M. G.

:o

What? There aren't? You think it can't happen?

Don't take the world you live in for granted. Things can change quickly (or, more likely, very slowly and then all at once). Those who wrote the U.S. Constitution realized that and were extraordinarily forward-thinking. It boggles the mind.

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The mind boggles alright.

Seriously, do you really think HAIF is the right place to be peddling theories about armed insurrection against Presidential candidates? I am sure that there are plenty of sites out there that cater to that kind of thing, and those kind of people, but we've always tried to be a nice local interest board.

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Seriously, do you really think HAIF is the right place to be peddling theories about armed insurrection against Presidential candidates? I am sure that there are plenty of sites out there that cater to that kind of thing, and those kind of people, but we've always tried to be a nice local interest board. Now can we return to the topic?

If plausible and relevent, then it is appropriate IMO to discuss political theory on HAIF. I contend that my discussion of American culture as well as constitutional law and its underlying purposes are subjects that dovetail nicely with discussion preceeding it.

Furthermore, while it is common practice on HAIF to remove disjointed tangential discussion to its own thread, I would also contend that the event cited by the OP and the discourse that followed has everything to do with American culture and law, and that not only is HAIF an appropriate forum, but that this is an appropriate thread.

Also, if you go back and read, I was not making statements necessarily confined to Presidential candidates, as you seem to contend; contrary to what seems to be a popular belief, the actions of a President are not made unilaterally and are insufficient in and of themselves to induce tyranny. It takes more than one political leader (perhaps in the context of a 'movement', whether backed by substance or not) to effect a change of that scope. If any particular politician, whether in office or only a candidate, happens to fit my description, that is purely coincidental.

Finally, I will warn you that I have documented this thread and will be watchful for editorial deletions. Any attempt by a moderator or Editor to censor what is clearly plausible and relevent will be resisted. Editor owns HAIF and has the final word on what occurs, ranging from editing for content, to thread closures, to deletions, to banning of members, and I accept that it would be his prerogative as to how to deal with me. However, in light of the Danax incident, I believe this to be an appropriate and just measure. Any other action on my part would be a violation of personal integrity.

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O. M. G.

Yeah that comment shocked me too. Be careful what you say Niche, that armed revolution stuff makes you look bad.

By the way, I'm a United States citizen who happened to grow up in Canada, not just a Canadian.

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Be careful what you say Niche, that armed revolution stuff makes you look bad.

You're right, I am not in the majority, and I don't care that others know it and may think less of me. My beliefs are my own and I adhere to them insofar as reason compels.

Regardless of opinions as to the correctness of my own beliefs, persons without respect for my integrity are utterly worthless. Their approval or disdain cannot be taken at face value. It is inconsequential.

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I don't believe ANY kind of insurrection will be necessary against ANY candidate in this election, that is unless of course Hillary gets the nod, but I digress. I don't believe either Democratic candidate has a chance, as history has proven, when there is infighting amongst the party on either side, during an election year, the other party NOT squabbling has won. So, Niche, put your torch and gun away, we won't need them just yet. If by some miracle a Dem. is elected next, I will give them a year or two to jack things up and then we can all go storm the oval office together.

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I don't believe ANY kind of insurrection will be necessary against ANY candidate in this election, that is unless of course Hillary gets the nod, but I digress. I don't believe either Democratic candidate has a chance, as history has proven, when there is infighting amongst the party on either side, during an election year, the other party NOT squabbling has won. So, Niche, put your torch and gun away, we won't need them just yet. If by some miracle a Dem. is elected next, I will give them a year or two to jack things up and then we can all go storm the oval office together.

I wasn't referring to any particular candidate, whether already in office, as part of this election cycle or future election cycles. I also didn't specify party affiliation. It may be that somebody in this election cycle does something unpredictable that sets up a far more dangerous candidate to succeed the next time around.

Ultimately, the danger that I'd identified was that voters would make a cruddy choice, unknowingly putting someone into office that would subsequently screw things up in ways that everybody on HAIF except possibly KinkaidAlum would agree are bad. But we wouldn't figure it out until they've had the opportunity to show their true colors.

[Cue RedScare for George W. Bush joke.]

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OK, from this point on, the thread MUST be back on topic. Further replies along the armed insurrection line are off-topic and will be deleted. If you want to start another thread about the Second Amendment and the use of a civilian militia to counter tyranny from within, fine. But this thread is a different type of discussion.

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What's going on with Joe Horn? I can't find anything written about his case since late last year.

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What's going on with Joe Horn? I can't find anything written about his case since late last year.

Joe has moved away, I believe to Oklahoma with other family. I want to say i read it or heard it on the news. He is definately NOT in the house where the incident occurred.

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