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Looks boring, but I guess it makes sense to have this type of development way out there.

Do you know where this is? :rolleyes:

It is about 1.5 miles west of the West Loop. It is on Renwick Dr., which turns into Fountainview at Westpark. It's close in enough that it's not even picking up on the Chinatown influence. It's basically feeding off of Gulfton, the densest part of the Houston metropolitan area.

EDIT: Damn, multiple people beat me to the punch.

5800 of Bellaire? That's just outside of the loop, but I'm not sure it is in the CITY of bellaire, though.

Isn't that where the CiCi's was? (yumm......CiCi's....)

You're thinking of a different shopping center, which was overhauled by Southwest Bank of Texas before they became Amegy Bank and built their really nice branch bank on the pad site that is there. They kicked out CiCi's because it was drawing the wrong crowd and they wanted to go up-market.

It doesn't seem to have worked out for them very well.

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You're thinking of a different shopping center, which was overhauled by Southwest Bank of Texas before they became Amegy Bank and built their really nice branch bank on the pad site that is there. They kicked out CiCi's because it was drawing the wrong crowd and they wanted to go up-market.

It doesn't seem to have worked out for them very well.

I thought it was one of the NICER CiCi's (okay, pizza for lunch....yumm....) in the area. From what I have seen, I'd have to agree that it isn't working for them, so it might be awhile (and unfortunately a number of business failiures) for it to turn into a nice well trafficked (sp?) area.

Back on Topic:

I am rarely on that side of town anymore, but I can think of one set of apartments that should have been blown up a few years ago. Am curious if the apartments in the area are eventually going to be upgraded or get built up.

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"Way out there" - I'm guessing you're an inner Inner Looper Jax. :-) Rightly or wrongly, I'd say the same thing!!

I went to the COB website to try and find where their city boundaries and zip codes are. An interesting academic question is the attitudes that prevail in the respective (COH & COB) city halls towards developments of this kind vs say a West Avenue type of approach. Even if a developer wanted to build a West Avenue-type complex in that part of Bellaire, would that be looked on askance by the COB planning commission?

Edit: Of course this is irrelevant if it still is City of houston....

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"Way out there" - I'm guessing you're an inner Inner Looper Jax. :-) Rightly or wrongly, I'd say the same thing!!

Yep. :D

I know this area. I drove out there a few weeks ago to pick up one of my colleagues from Rice (Bissonnet & Chimney Rock) and yes, I consider it way out there (despite it being near Gulfton, blah blah). I have no idea why a Rice post doc would choose to live there. It took me about 25 minutes to get out there with no traffic and the area where he lived looked pretty rundown.

I love the apartment reviews in the link you posted, Sevfiv!

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I've always heard this particular area referred to as the Bellaire Barrio. At any rate, new development in this area is good. Maybe this will help get COB off their hinys and get moving on the revitilazation of DT Bellaire.

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"Way out there" - I'm guessing you're an inner Inner Looper Jax. :-) Rightly or wrongly, I'd say the same thing!!

I guess "way out there" has less to do with distance than with demographics. Go figure. <_<

I went to the COB website to try and find where their city boundaries and zip codes are. An interesting academic question is the attitudes that prevail in the respective (COH & COB) city halls towards developments of this kind vs say a West Avenue type of approach. Even if a developer wanted to build a West Avenue-type complex in that part of Bellaire, would that be looked on askance by the COB planning commission?

Edit: Of course this is irrelevant if it still is City of houston....

Bellaire is amenable to a West Ave. type of development but fractured ownership of their old downtown area, a pedestrian-unfriendly crossing at Bellaire & Bissonnet, and just that they're on the cusp of two very different worlds in terms of demographics makes that difficult to realistically justify. Although they'd allow it, I'm not certain that they'd give it subsidy.

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I love the apartment reviews in the link you posted, Sevfiv!

This gem is my favorite:

oh yeah they are knocking this place down but they wont elll u that when u go to move in so its ur choice but I sleep with my gun beside me every night....

:D

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I've always heard this particular area referred to as the Bellaire Barrio. At any rate, new development in this area is good. Maybe this will help get COB off their hinys and get moving on the revitilazation of DT Bellaire.

They've spent plenty of time, effort, and money studying the issue over the course of the past year.

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This gem is my favorite:

oh yeah they are knocking this place down but they wont elll u that when u go to move in so its ur choice but I sleep with my gun beside me every night....

:D

This one is better.

THIS IS MY HOOD WELL USED TO BE IM OUTA THERE NOW BUT FOOL DONT TRIP IF U MOVE HERE CUZZ U WILL GET KILLED HA HA HA RAISED IN THIS HELL HOLE

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I guess "way out there" has less to do with distance than with demographics. Go figure. <_<

not really. pretty much has to do with what my fuel gauge says before I start the engine, and when I get back. all the more so these days.

Edit: typo

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They've spent plenty of time, effort, and money studying the issue over the course of the past year.

Yeah, I get the Bellaire Examiner thrown on my lawn weekly. It seems like they've been "studying" this for 20 years.

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Pretty much. It's a function also of how often I have occasion to go to these places, which for UH is the annual March of Dimes walk, and that part of Bellaire to eat breakfast at Cafe Miami (not so much these days as I used to). Multiply time spent by fuel by general aggravation involved and "Way out there" is a lot closer in than it used to be for me.

And it's not my phrase anyway. I just understand where it's coming from.

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Just for reference, taking Richmond/Wheeler down to UH (and picking up on Alabama) is not 7 miles from Dunlavy - maybe 3 or 4

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1726026

My source was MS Streets & Trips 2007. It calculates by the shortest drive time, and that entails backtracking on Richmond to Shepherd to enter 59, then going up to 45, then getting off at Spur 5 to reach the main entrance to UH, not the parking lots along Scott Street behind Roberston Stadium.

I suppose that sidegate might be able to cut the distance by using Wheeler although the gasoline use may be pretty close to the same considering all the starts and stops, but I'm going to allow sidegate the complimentry assumption that his time is probably more valuable than whatever depreciation gets racked up in the extra two or three miles on his vehicle for such a trip. Of course, if he disagrees, that's his prerogative.

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Whether or not your definition of "way out there" is the same as mine or Sidegate's, my point was that it is far enough away from central Houston that I can understand why the developer chose to build a huge parking lot suburban style shopping center as opposed to something more interesting.

If they were building this at Montrose and Westhiemer, I'd think it was a bit strange, but not at my definition of "way out there" which happens to be Bissonnet and Bellaire.

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My source was MS Streets & Trips 2007. It calculates by the shortest drive time, and that entails backtracking on Richmond to Shepherd to enter 59, then going up to 45, then getting off at Spur 5 to reach the main entrance to UH, not the parking lots along Scott Street behind Roberston Stadium.

I suppose that sidegate might be able to cut the distance by using Wheeler although the gasoline use may be pretty close to the same considering all the starts and stops, but I'm going to allow sidegate the complimentry assumption that his time is probably more valuable than whatever depreciation gets racked up in the extra two or three miles on his vehicle for such a trip. Of course, if he disagrees, that's his prerogative.

You need a better source.

Those directions are a complete waste of time and would likely cause anyone to sit in half an hour of freeway traffic. Hell, at most times of the day, you could probably ride your bike more quickly to UH by just heading East down Richmond and hitting campus the back way.

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I immigrated to Houston from abroad about 12 years ago and have lived within a couple of miles of the Medical Center the whole time. For the first six months I didn't own even own a car and attracted more than a couple of concerned stares as I struggled up Kirby with my big Target carrier bags, wondering why the sidewalks kept disappearing.

Perhaps if I were born and raised here I'd have had more reason to familiarize myself with places beyond the Loop but the amenities inside it being what they are, I haven't. It's not a knock on U of H or Bellaire or anywhere else. I have a sphere of existence whose current dimensions suit me. Everyone does.

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Whether or not your definition of "way out there" is the same as mine or Sidegate's, my point was that it is far enough away from central Houston that I can understand why the developer chose to build a huge parking lot suburban style shopping center as opposed to something more interesting.

If they were building this at Montrose and Westhiemer, I'd think it was a bit strange, but not at my definition of "way out there" which happens to be Bissonnet and Bellaire.

This is along San Felipe west of Voss, 2.9 miles west of the Loop and in between Tanglewood and the Memorial Villages. Two condo towers and a retail/spa building.

Proximity or demographics?

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That hasn't been my experience at all.

Is your experience really one in which driving 7.06 miles (total distance to drive your suggested Richmond-Shepherd-US 59-288-I-45-Spur-Calhoun route) is faster than driving 3.97 miles (Richmond/Wheeler-Dowling-Alabama-Scott)?

Is your experience really one in which there are never backups heading North on US 59 between Kirby and the Spur?

Is your experience really one in which the feeder ramp from 288/59 onto I-45 South is never backed up?

Is your experience really one in which most people who visit UH go to the "main entrance" which is on the far Southeast side of the campus and away from all sporting venues, Rother's bookstore, the Alumni Center, all performance halls, the chapel, and the colleges of science, architecture, liberal arts, pharmacy, social work, performing & visual arts, etc...?

Or, are you just really being stubborn and trying to make your original point that this new strip center will be equidistant from Richmond @ Dunlavy as is The University of Houston?

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If we had a thread for every OTL strip mall, everything interesting -- you know, the 'architecture' part of HAIF -- would be lost in the noise.

ps. to Niche. I frequented Deidrich's when I was an undergrad, so I happen to be very familiar with the route you describe. Westheimer/Elgin FTW; 59/45 and the DT interchange is crap half the day.

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Is your experience really one in which driving 7.06 miles (total distance to drive your suggested Richmond-Shepherd-US 59-288-I-45-Spur-Calhoun route) is faster than driving 3.97 miles (Richmond/Wheeler-Dowling-Alabama-Scott)?

Yes.

Is your experience really one in which there are never backups heading North on US 59 between Kirby and the Spur?

No.

Is your experience really one in which the feeder ramp from 288/59 onto I-45 South is never backed up?

Southbound to I-45, not so much.

Is your experience really one in which most people who visit UH go to the "main entrance" which is on the far Southeast side of the campus and away from all sporting venues, Rother's bookstore, the Alumni Center, all performance halls, the chapel, and the colleges of science, architecture, liberal arts, pharmacy, social work, performing & visual arts, etc...?

These days, yes. If I were still a student in the business school...most often, yes.

Or, are you just really being stubborn and trying to make your original point that this new strip center will be equidistant from Richmond @ Dunlavy as is The University of Houston?

Absolutely, yes. Doesn't make me any less correct.

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If only the manager at the fabulous Bellaire Crossing Apartments had marketed their property like 2727 Kirby on their website: "...ideally situated...within mere minutes you can be shopping in the Galleria..." Perhaps they'd still be standing. Both are approximately the same distance from the big mall. (3 miles)

Maybe, in 30 years the 99

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It looks like this center will be located in the Mayor's first of 10 proposed wireless internet bubbles. He wants to provide this service to low-income areas. However, I can't see the need to surf the net while shopping at the $.99 Store.

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