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Can you all give me your opinions of areas/suburbs/subdivisions in Houston are culturally diverse that have a good mixture of Koreans, African Americans, Asians, Indians, Caucasians, Hispanics and other races. I have heard goo things about sugarland, humble, aldine, cypress, woodlands, the heights, spring, and noone gives specific reasons (good caring neighbors, clean neigborhood streets, decent jobs, shorter commute time, teachers that care, lower crime rates, no noisy passers thru etc...) I do not want to move to an area that is 70% or more of any one race. Please guide me in the direction of as many neighborhoods that have a good mixture like 20/20/20/20/20 out of 100%. I have a family and we do not want to move somewhere that may not want any specific race there and cause my family to feel uncomfortable with our neighbors and/or classmates. I want a school district that is known for helping their students excel even if the children have NO MOTIVATION at all. I hope this is not to much to ask but all the boards online seem to beat around the bush and noone really speaks their mind. Please be honest I really appreciate it.

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Can you all give me your opinions of areas/suburbs/subdivisions in Houston are culturally diverse that have a good mixture of Koreans, African Americans, Asians, Indians, Caucasians, Hispanics and other races. I have heard goo things about sugarland, humble, aldine, cypress, woodlands, the heights, spring, and noone gives specific reasons (good caring neighbors, clean neigborhood streets, decent jobs, shorter commute time, teachers that care, lower crime rates, no noisy passers thru etc...) I do not want to move to an area that is 70% or more of any one race. Please guide me in the direction of as many neighborhoods that have a good mixture like 20/20/20/20/20 out of 100%. I have a family and we do not want to move somewhere that may not want any specific race there and cause my family to feel uncomfortable with our neighbors and/or classmates. I want a school district that is known for helping their students excel even if the children have NO MOTIVATION at all. I hope this is not to much to ask but all the boards online seem to beat around the bush and noone really speaks their mind. Please be honest I really appreciate it.

Thank you

I suggest you immerse yourself in data from the TEA. That'll address issues about diversity and student performance. As for teachers that care, that's harder to gauge, but I'd say that HISD probably tops the list from the perspective of staffing (look at the percentage of staff with graduate degrees) but that demographics overwhelm most of their schools to the point that the suburban districts top the list for effectiveness.

Children without motivation usually have some underlying reason for lacking it. I was one of those kids, enduring what I perceived to be a jail-like institution that focused the greater part of its resources on maintaining order and discipline than anything else. The result among anybody with real potential was a mixed sense of boredom and insult. If you think that your kids might be facing a similar situation, then you need to find a district that has really good programs targeting the top tier of students. If your kids aren't in that range, then its a little more difficult; not because there are a shortage of programs targeting that group, but because it is harder to gauge which is best among a large selection.

Commute time is a function of your destination; I can't really help you with that one. There are plenty of neighborhoods without any serious crime. Sounds like school district is really the big issue for you.

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I suggest you immerse yourself in data from the TEA. That'll address issues about diversity and student performance. As for teachers that care, that's harder to gauge, but I'd say that HISD probably tops the list from the perspective of staffing (look at the percentage of staff with graduate degrees) but that demographics overwhelm most of their schools to the point that the suburban districts top the list for effectiveness.

Children without motivation usually have some underlying reason for lacking it. I was one of those kids, enduring what I perceived to be a jail-like institution that focused the greater part of its resources on maintaining order and discipline than anything else. The result among anybody with real potential was a mixed sense of boredom and insult. If you think that your kids might be facing a similar situation, then you need to find a district that has really good programs targeting the top tier of students. If your kids aren't in that range, then its a little more difficult; not because there are a shortage of programs targeting that group, but because it is harder to gauge which is best among a large selection.

Commute time is a function of your destination; I can't really help you with that one. There are plenty of neighborhoods without any serious crime. Sounds like school district is really the big issue for you.

Hello TheNiche,

My children do not have problems I am just emphasizing a need for teachers who care and not so much on programs offered because many school districts have programs that are never offered to parents when in need. Can you tell me of any areas in particular that you know of that are the most diverse? We work from home I guess I should have specified that. I just do not like traffic jams at any given time or day. Well I have heard horror stories on many forums about school districts in Houston so I want to make sure we go with the best one. I appreciate your response.

while houston is diverse, your ideal of 20/20/20/20/20 is going to be difficult if not impossible to find.

Hello Musicman,

Are there any areas that you know of that are the most diverse?

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Hello TheNiche,

My children do not have problems I am just emphasizing a need for teachers who care and not so much on programs offered because many school districts have programs that are never offered to parents when in need. Can you tell me of any areas in particular that you know of that are the most diverse? We work from home I guess I should have specified that. I just do not like traffic jams at any given time or day. Well I have heard horror stories on many forums about school districts in Houston so I want to make sure we go with the best one. I appreciate your response.

Start by going here: http://www.tea.state.tx.us/accountability.html. I can't tell you which is most diverse, but the TEA can. I suspect that Sugar Land is going to rank pretty high, but parts of Clear Lake and Katy could also very easily make the cut. Sometimes its more about the neighborhood schools than the school district, so its going to take some researching on your part. FWIW, I think that diversity is overrated. And to the extent that you're willing to participate in the education of your children, the quality of the schools is also overrated. In fact, as your kids get older, you might intentionally move into a crappy school district so as to allow them to become more well-adjusted (and also to very easily be ranked in the top 10% of their class).

Traffic jams are pretty hard to avoid, although if you were to buy a home in the eastern or northeastern suburbs, you could probably minimize them. An honorable mention to Pearland. Once construction on I-10 is complete, Katy may also be a pretty good option.

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Hello Musicman,

Are there any areas that you know of that are the most diverse?

I was going to say that Sugarland and Pearland are likely candidates for you however I don't believe they meet your 20/20/20/20/20 criteria.

As for schools, may i ask the age of your children?

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I was going to say that Sugarland and Pearland are likely candidates for you however I don't believe they meet your 20/20/20/20/20 criteria.

As for schools, may i ask the age of your children?

I agree that Sugarland probably fits your needs.

Oh, and take all those "horror stories" you hear about HISD schools on message boards with a grain of salt. A lot of those opinions are coming from people who live in Houston's suburbs. To them, the wind hanging direction is suspicious much less an urban setting. There are some very good schools in HISD and SBISD. I think I could safely say that Lamar High School is better than any suburban school.

On a list that came out a few years ago Lamar, Memorial and Stratford High Schools ranked in the Top 150-200 schools in the country. The suburban schools were suprisingly not ranked anywhere near that. Only one I really remember the ranking of was The Woodlands High School, and it was rank 730th +/-

Ok, I just came back from Greatschools.com. You got my curiousity going so I plugged in schools that I thought would have a good grouping of all cultures. I found you can get white and hispanic pretty even with either a good number of black or asian (but not both together) Is this typical of Houston? Do those two cultures distance themselves from one another?

The schools in 77077 might interest you. Barbara Bush Elem (this comes close to your 20/20/20/20 ideal as well as a desirable school) and Westside High School. You may want to look at those. The area is affordable and easy to get around. And HISD is know to help the motivated kids get into magnet programs/vangaurd and High Schools.

Another area to scope out would be north of I-10. While there maybe a great ratio of Hispanic to other minorities, its a pretty good mix. That would be SBISD, which has an excellent reputation in Houston.

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while houston is diverse, your ideal of 20/20/20/20/20 is going to be difficult if not impossible to find.

I agree. Neighborhoods are populated by similarities in income more than anything, and there is no such perfect balance amongst the various ethnic groups. Looking for some skin-based utopia is fantasy. Why focus on how people appear on the outside? If your children are afraid to feel uncomfortable, I'd say the best thing is to find the best place to live based on factors other than race and then let them deal with the reality. Their fears will probably turn out to be based on almost nothing.

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My high school in Northwest Houston-county, Klein Forest, was pretty diverse in many aspects when I went there (1994-98). By the time I graduated it was about 30% white, 25% hispanic, 25% black, and 20% asian. A mix of southern-Texas roots to first generation immigrants. Our boundaries were odd, kids that lived by KF went to Ike and vice-versa. We had people from Champions to the projects to farms going there. Not sure how it is now.

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I don't really get the whole big deal about needing diversity and feeling like its essential for happiness. Why do you feel uncomfortable being around people that are similar to you?

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I don't think you're going to find exactly what you're looking for in a City where the population is almost half and half - Hispanic and Anglo. The black population represents about 15% of the population and Asian I believe is 7%. My numbers aren't exact, I'm going off of memory (which seems to be fading) but they are very close. Houston overall is very ethnically diverse and if you spend anytime here you will experience it. The newer areas have the better schools and as many people mentioned Sugarland is a good choice. The nice thing about Sugarland is that while it's a suburb it's pretty close in to the City. I am an inner city person and base decisions on where I live based on the house I can afford and the close proximity to what I like to do. Kids go to Private School.

Good Luck!!

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If you truly want diversity you need to look at socio-economics as well, not just race like Danax said. People who earn similar incomes tend to spend it the same way and have similar priorities and and beliefs regardless of what color their skin is. So for "true diversity" I think you really need socio-economic diversity as much as racial, but then you get into the problem of lower performing schools and less of the nicer amenities you may like. It's really a catch-22 and almost impossible to get the best of both worlds. My friend who is a teacher for HISD teaches around the Bellaire area and her school is very diverse both racially and socio-economically while maintaining high performance. The downside is I think that a lot of the neighborhoods in the area tend to be either either very nice or not nice. Without much affordable stuff in the middle. Of course since I live in the Heights I don't have much first hand knowledge of the area but my impression is that may be the only area to truly find what you seem to be wanting at least school-wise. Good luck.

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In terms of race, income, education, occupation, and a listing of schools in a particular zip code, look no further than web sites that tabulate and parse US Census data: zipskinny.com (just enter a zip code). Based on 2000 Census data - so it is dated - but you can still get a very good idea of how diverse an area is - and you can compare neighboring zip codes.

HISD stinks as compared to most suburban districts. Not just a biased opinion, but if you look at the data (and school rankings), you'll can see for yourself (search by district or county here - sub link I used from Niche's link). "Acceptable" is really not acceptable when it comes to school district ratings (go look at those schools). You want a recognized, exemplary, or higher rated school. Clear Creek ISD blows HISD out of the water. Looks like Katy does too, and a lot of other outer loop districts.

EDIT: Looked at the rankings some more... North Forest ISD... Yikes! and while overall HISD is not great, by any means, you can pick a few schools out that are rated well. But overall, not stellar.

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I was going to say that Sugarland and Pearland are likely candidates for you however I don't believe they meet your 20/20/20/20/20 criteria.

As for schools, may i ask the age of your children?

Hello Musicman,

My son is 14 and my daughter is 6.

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I agree. Neighborhoods are populated by similarities in income more than anything, and there is no such perfect balance amongst the various ethnic groups. Looking for some skin-based utopia is fantasy. Why focus on how people appear on the outside? If your children are afraid to feel uncomfortable, I'd say the best thing is to find the best place to live based on factors other than race and then let them deal with the reality. Their fears will probably turn out to be based on almost nothing.

Hello Danax,

I am used to a diversed mixed race upscale neighborhood and prefer that for my children. I know it may not be perfectly mixed that way in Houston. I wanted people to direct me to those closest to it. What we do not want as their parents is putting them in a KNOWINGLY racist/hate school district where they will be discriminated against just because of their race. Those neighborhoods are easy to find and that's why I asked the question the way I did and as I expected it was sugar coated however Katiedidit gave me the most honest of all the responses even using information from the internet. See some of us can not just move where we like without having to think about our children first I would think ALL of us would know that by now but I guess there are still people among us who think the world is a fantasy and that anyone can just move wherever without a care well those people end up hurt or dead and as parents we will not chance that.

I agree that Sugarland probably fits your needs.

Oh, and take all those "horror stories" you hear about HISD schools on message boards with a grain of salt. A lot of those opinions are coming from people who live in Houston's suburbs. To them, the wind hanging direction is suspicious much less an urban setting. There are some very good schools in HISD and SBISD. I think I could safely say that Lamar High School is better than any suburban school.

On a list that came out a few years ago Lamar, Memorial and Stratford High Schools ranked in the Top 150-200 schools in the country. The suburban schools were suprisingly not ranked anywhere near that. Only one I really remember the ranking of was The Woodlands High School, and it was rank 730th +/-

Ok, I just came back from Greatschools.com. You got my curiousity going so I plugged in schools that I thought would have a good grouping of all cultures. I found you can get white and hispanic pretty even with either a good number of black or asian (but not both together) Is this typical of Houston? Do those two cultures distance themselves from one another?

The schools in 77077 might interest you. Barbara Bush Elem (this comes close to your 20/20/20/20 ideal as well as a desirable school) and Westside High School. You may want to look at those. The area is affordable and easy to get around. And HISD is know to help the motivated kids get into magnet programs/vangaurd and High Schools.

Another area to scope out would be north of I-10. While there maybe a great ratio of Hispanic to other minorities, its a pretty good mix. That would be SBISD, which has an excellent reputation in Houston.

Thank you Katiedidit! I will check out those schools/areas I appreciate the info.

My high school in Northwest Houston-county, Klein Forest, was pretty diverse in many aspects when I went there (1994-98). By the time I graduated it was about 30% white, 25% hispanic, 25% black, and 20% asian. A mix of southern-Texas roots to first generation immigrants. Our boundaries were odd, kids that lived by KF went to Ike and vice-versa. We had people from Champions to the projects to farms going there. Not sure how it is now.

Thank you JJvilla I will check out that school and are as well. I appreciate it.

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I don't really get the whole big deal about needing diversity and feeling like its essential for happiness. Why do you feel uncomfortable being around people that are similar to you?

Hello CEugh,

I guess you won't if you don't already. As I posted earlier it is the atmosphere I grew up in diverse well mixed and we want that for our children as well. We don't like segregated neighborhoods by no means. It is not about FEELING anything it is about what's best for us. I have lived with people similar to me my whole life and will continue to do so for the remainder. It is about what's best for our children right now this world is a much worse place than when we were children that is painfully obvious decisions need to be carefully made now! Thanks for asking!

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Hello Danax,

I am used to a diversed mixed race upscale neighborhood and prefer that for my children. I know it may not be perfectly mixed that way in Houston. I wanted people to direct me to those closest to it. What we do not want as their parents is putting them in a KNOWINGLY racist/hate school district where they will be discriminated against just because of their race. Those neighborhoods are easy to find and that's why I asked the question the way I did and as I expected it was sugar coated however Katiedidit gave me the most honest of all the responses even using information from the internet. See some of us can not just move where we like without having to think about our children first I would think ALL of us would know that by now but I guess there are still people among us who think the world is a fantasy and that anyone can just move wherever without a care well those people end up hurt or dead and as parents we will not chance that.

I'm curious: which school districts would you expect race-based violence or murder to occur in? :huh:

Another factor to consider is that when there is too perfect a split, cliques form along ethnic lines and people often have a difficult time getting outside their culture. There probably is an optimal level of diversity, but 20/20/20/20/20 isn't it, IMO. probably closer to 60/10/10/10/10.

...this world is a much worse place than when we were children that is painfully obvious decisions need to be carefully made now!

I'm kind of a history buff, so this interests me. Care to provide specific examples?

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I'm curious: which school districts would you expect race-based violence or murder to occur in? :huh:

Another factor to consider is that when there is too perfect a split, cliques form along ethnic lines and people often have a difficult time getting outside their culture. There probably is an optimal level of diversity, but 20/20/20/20/20 isn't it, IMO. probably closer to 60/10/10/10/10.

I'm kind of a history buff, so this interests me. Care to provide specific examples?

Well TheNiche,

I'm an 70's and 80's baby and I learned all to well in NY how to get along with every race I grew up with chinese, koreans, phillipines, italians, jamaicans, puerto ricans, haitians, dominicans, japanese, caucasians, equadorians, brazilians, panamanians, bajans, venezualans, africans, west indians, irish, jewish, and much much more and none of us hated or disrespected each other in every borough throughout NY it just did not happen! I wish I could give my children the same wonderful fun filled marvelous easy going carefree childhood I had where everyone got along and played and just enjoyed life, but that time is over and now we must choose between hatred/racism/discrimination of all kinds in every way imagineable and it is different for each race we all go through different experiences. For instance a simple trip to any random grocery store for me will be a different experience you. Just as going to a job interview will be. That is how life is. My whole life I have been hearing that history repeats itself well TheNiche that seems to be true because what happened during my great grandmothers childhood seems to be happening today.

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Well TheNiche,

I'm an 70's and 80's baby and I learned all to well in NY how to get along with every race I grew up with chinese, koreans, phillipines, italians, jamaicans, puerto ricans, haitians, dominicans, japanese, caucasians, equadorians, brazilians, panamanians, bajans, venezualans, africans, west indians, irish, jewish, and much much more and none of us hated or disrespected each other in every borough throughout NY it just did not happen! I wish I could give my children the same wonderful fun filled marvelous easy going carefree childhood I had where everyone got along and played and just enjoyed life, but that time is over and now we must choose between hatred/racism/discrimination of all kinds in every way imagineable and it is different for each race we all go through different experiences. For instance a simple trip to any random grocery store for me will be a different experience you. Just as going to a job interview will be. That is how life is.

When my parents moved to McAllen, the only other white kid in my elementary school had been adopted at birth. I didn't speak Spanish, while somewhere above 90% of the other kids had only learned English as a second language. So actually, I do know about trips to random grocery stores where the clerks serve all of their ethnicity before they serve you, I do know about racial epithets, and I even know about being spat on. I never once took a playground beating, though, and the closest it came was later on in middle school and high school where the threats were actually from other white kids.

I've had a girlfriend later in life that was black but had a white grandmother, and when she attended elementary school in Houston's 3rd Ward, she got beat up all the time for being a yellowbones...and she's probably only a little younger than you.

We both turned out alright, although I'll be the first to brag that we aren't normal. While I can certainly understand a parent's visceral impulse to make life as easy as possible for their children, the most valuable lessons typically come with difficulty. Character is born out of conflict.

My whole life I have been hearing that history repeats itself well TheNiche that seems to be true because what happened during my great grandmothers childhood seems to be happening today.

I don't follow... Can you be more specific?

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When my parents moved to McAllen, the only other white kid in my elementary school had been adopted at birth. I didn't speak Spanish, while somewhere above 90% of the other kids had only learned English as a second language. So actually, I do know about trips to random grocery stores where the clerks serve all of their ethnicity before they serve you, I do know about racial epithets, and I even know about being spat on. I never once took a playground beating, though, and the closest it came was later on in middle school and high school where the threats were actually from other white kids.

I've had a girlfriend later in life that was black but had a white grandmother, and when she attended elementary school in Houston's 3rd Ward, she got beat up all the time for being a yellowbones...and she's probably only a little younger than you.

We both turned out alright, although I'll be the first to brag that we aren't normal. While I can certainly understand a parent's visceral impulse to make life as easy as possible for their children, the most valuable lessons typically come with difficulty. Character is born out of conflict.

I don't follow... Can you be more specific?

Certainly TheNiche,

I am Irish, Italian, Jewish and African American so we can relate my husband is Italian, Pawmunkey Indian, Bajan, and African so we to have had our fair share I am what is considered a red bone if you will and he is the same complezion as Denzel Washington! I understand and agree that Character can be born out of conflict but we would never choose to put our children through that as we know they will go through that regardless later on in life. Well all the racist things for us in our lives have become worse now as opposed to when we grew up. We have had our cars spray painted on, our porch left with dead animals in shoe , hate notes left on our desks at work, we hear niggah lover, go back to Africa, my husband hears things like "boy" and whitey lover. It is just never ending we never heard anything like this until I would honestly say 2005 and it just gets worse it seems i've had elderly Caucasian women push their shopping carts almost right through me as if I wasn't there and little children as small as 2 say blacky to my husband and their mothers and fathers just hush them along while making sure to give me the eye or whatever you want to call it. And yes we have been passed over for jobs both he and I and have gone to the EEOC about it and filed complaints with proof. That felt good but did not change or help the situation. We deal with it in our own way without being hateful or spiteful and believe me we know in this country no matter what our racial makeup is with one ounce of African American in us we are Black in americas eyes. We may look like an interracial couple when you see us but like I said we have a mixed background. Even though we choose to celebrate our mixed heritage proudly!

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Can you all give me your opinions of areas/suburbs/subdivisions in Houston are culturally diverse that have a good mixture of Koreans, African Americans, Asians, Indians, Caucasians, Hispanics and other races.

Just to get back to your original question: I am slowly meeting the neighbors on my street in the Southern Trails subdivision in west Pearland, and we have a very mixed group of races there. I feel my street is a good example of the subdivision, and on it we have white, black, indian, asian, and hispanic families. Wendy and I are an interracial couple and everyone we've met has been very nice to us. From everything I've seen, you would be comfortable in Southern Trails.

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Certainly TheNiche,

I am Irish, Italian, Jewish and African American so we can relate my husband is Italian, Pawmunkey Indian, Bajan, and African so we to have had our fair share I am what is considered a red bone if you will and he is the same complezion as Denzel Washington! I understand and agree that Character can be born out of conflict but we would never choose to put our children through that as we know they will go through that regardless later on in life. Well all the racist things for us in our lives have become worse now as opposed to when we grew up. We have had our cars spray painted on, our porch left with dead animals in shoe , hate notes left on our desks at work, we hear niggah lover, go back to Africa, my husband hears things like "boy" and whitey lover. It is just never ending we never heard anything like this until I would honestly say 2005 and it just gets worse it seems i've had elderly Caucasian women push their shopping carts almost right through me as if I wasn't there and little children as small as 2 say blacky to my husband and their mothers and fathers just hush them along while making sure to give me the eye or whatever you want to call it. And yes we have been passed over for jobs both he and I and have gone to the EEOC about it and filed complaints with proof. That felt good but did not change or help the situation. We deal with it in our own way without being hateful or spiteful and believe me we know in this country no matter what our racial makeup is with one ounce of African American in us we are Black in americas eyes. We may look like an interracial couple when you see us but like I said we have a mixed background. Even though we choose to celebrate our mixed heritage proudly!

Wow ... my partner and I live in North Houston close to Spring and while it is no suburban utopia it has a fair mix of ethnicities, income levels, and political persuasians. While it is mixed in all those ways, it is ot very mixed when it comes to same-sex relationships, especially between an African American and a Hispanic.

Oh well ...

I guess everyone has their cross to bear (and I am not even Christian!).

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It is about what's best for our children right now this world is a much worse place than when we were children that is painfully obvious decisions need to be carefully made now!

Yeah, the world was so much better when I was a kid. I remember Paw-paw showing me the "______ knocker" he kept under the front seat of his pickup truck. When I asked what it was for, he explained that it was for knocking "______s" in the head. Ah, those halcyon days of youth.

Edit: Holy crap. You can't use the n-word here?? What's up with that?

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Two things: The Woodlands is nice, but it's certainly not as diverse as you'd want (judging from your posts); and out of curiosity, what is Bajan?

I think Sugarland is your best bet for that ratio.

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I think Sugarland is your best bet for that ratio.

I work in Sugar Land, and it seems very white to me. Is there a secret zone I'm missing?

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I work in Sugar Land, and it seems very white to me. Is there a secret zone I'm missing?

That was always my impression too, but I know a lot of culturally and ethnically diverse people that have moved out there. Just wonder if they've moved there en masse because I never seem to see them either.

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I work in Sugar Land, and it seems very white to me. Is there a secret zone I'm missing?

FWIW, I just had dinner at the Red Lobster in Sugar Land, and it was very mixed. Mostly asians, blacks, and whites...and one Greek.

Yanni sat in the booth next to mine; he ate alone. We left at about the same time and he drove off in a red Hyundai.

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FWIW, I just had dinner at the Red Lobster in Sugar Land, and it was very mixed. Mostly asians, blacks, and whites...and one Greek.

Yanni sat in the booth next to mine; he ate alone. We left at about the same time and he drove off in a red Hyundai.

Yanni ate at Red Lobster? Wait ... Yanni was AT a Red Lobster?!?

I am .. speechless.

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Certainly TheNiche,

I am Irish, Italian, Jewish and African American so we can relate my husband is Italian, Pawmunkey Indian, Bajan, and African so we to have had our fair share I am what is considered a red bone if you will and he is the same complezion as Denzel Washington! I understand and agree that Character can be born out of conflict but we would never choose to put our children through that as we know they will go through that regardless later on in life. Well all the racist things for us in our lives have become worse now as opposed to when we grew up. We have had our cars spray painted on, our porch left with dead animals in shoe , hate notes left on our desks at work, we hear niggah lover, go back to Africa, my husband hears things like "boy" and whitey lover. It is just never ending we never heard anything like this until I would honestly say 2005 and it just gets worse it seems i've had elderly Caucasian women push their shopping carts almost right through me as if I wasn't there and little children as small as 2 say blacky to my husband and their mothers and fathers just hush them along while making sure to give me the eye or whatever you want to call it. And yes we have been passed over for jobs both he and I and have gone to the EEOC about it and filed complaints with proof. That felt good but did not change or help the situation. We deal with it in our own way without being hateful or spiteful and believe me we know in this country no matter what our racial makeup is with one ounce of African American in us we are Black in americas eyes. We may look like an interracial couple when you see us but like I said we have a mixed background. Even though we choose to celebrate our mixed heritage proudly!

Wow, that's quite a mix. I'm sure that there are plenty of interesting back stories on your family's heritage.

Anyway, I'd be the last person to say that race and ethnicity are no longer factors in American society, but saying that these experiences are akin to those from four or five generations ago doesn't really strike me as credible. Certainly not in most of suburban Houston. And you'd mentioned something about being concerned about violence or murder, but I really have a difficult time visioning that.

If you don't mind my asking, where are you moving from that these experiences were commonplace?

Yanni ate at Red Lobster? Wait ... Yanni was AT a Red Lobster?!?

I am .. speechless.

If I hadn't have had gift cards to blow, I'd have been .. speechless that I'd have been AT a Red Lobster.

The stars must've been perfectly aligned for both of us to have been there at the same time.

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Wow, that's quite a mix. I'm sure that there are plenty of interesting back stories on your family's heritage.

Anyway, I'd be the last person to say that race and ethnicity are no longer factors in American society, but saying that these experiences are akin to those from four or five generations ago doesn't really strike me as credible. Certainly not in most of suburban Houston. And you'd mentioned something about being concerned about violence or murder, but I really have a difficult time visioning that.

If you don't mind my asking, where are you moving from that these experiences were commonplace?

If I hadn't have had gift cards to blow, I'd have been .. speechless that I'd have been AT a Red Lobster.

The stars must've been perfectly aligned for both of us to have been there at the same time.

I haven't eaten there in MANY years (probably at least 10 or 12 ... wait, that's a DECADE ... sounds right) ... how is the food these days?

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I haven't eaten there in MANY years (probably at least 10 or 12 ... wait, that's a DECADE ... sounds right) ... how is the food these days?

I hadn't eaten there in just as long. The food is OK. It filled me up nicely and tasted better than anything I could've ever hoped to have cooked at home. But for my money, if I need a really-damned-good seafood fix, I'll go to Topwater Grill in San Leon and have the stuffed snapper.

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But for my money, if I need a really-damned-good seafood fix, I'll go to Topwater Grill in San Leon and have the stuffed snapper.

i'd recommend gilhooley's down there. had my oyster fix yesterday.

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FWIW, I just had dinner at the Red Lobster in Sugar Land, and it was very mixed. Mostly asians, blacks, and whites...and one Greek.

Ah, that makes sense. I never go to Red Lobster. All the non-whites in Sugar Land must lurk there, at least when I'm in town.

Yanni sat in the booth next to mine; he ate alone. We left at about the same time and he drove off in a red Hyundai.

Now it's your turn to lay off the weed.

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Ah, that makes sense. I never go to Red Lobster. All the non-whites in Sugar Land must lurk there, at least when I'm in town.

Now it's your turn to lay off the weed.

Wait a minute... I eat a Red Lobster... I am offended... For those that have not been in years, the "new Red Lobster" is nothing like the old. They've got a whole Joe's Crab Shack thing going on... Excuse me - I'm having trouble with my gag reflex - be back in a few...

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Perhaps a moderator could move the appropriate Red Lobster comments to a new thread. I hate to have hijacked this one.

Oh, and memebag, there was no weed involved. Not even alchohol. I wasn't even engaged in a "physical expression of love." With that in mind, I'm not sure that my Yanni sighting compares to your Ferttita musings.

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Certainly TheNiche,

I am Irish, Italian, Jewish and African American so we can relate my husband is Italian, Pawmunkey Indian, Bajan, and African so we to have had our fair share I am what is considered a red bone if you will and he is the same complezion as Denzel Washington! I understand and agree that Character can be born out of conflict but we would never choose to put our children through that as we know they will go through that regardless later on in life. Well all the racist things for us in our lives have become worse now as opposed to when we grew up. We have had our cars spray painted on, our porch left with dead animals in shoe , hate notes left on our desks at work, we hear niggah lover, go back to Africa, my husband hears things like "boy" and whitey lover. It is just never ending we never heard anything like this until I would honestly say 2005 and it just gets worse it seems i've had elderly Caucasian women push their shopping carts almost right through me as if I wasn't there and little children as small as 2 say blacky to my husband and their mothers and fathers just hush them along while making sure to give me the eye or whatever you want to call it. And yes we have been passed over for jobs both he and I and have gone to the EEOC about it and filed complaints with proof. That felt good but did not change or help the situation. We deal with it in our own way without being hateful or spiteful and believe me we know in this country no matter what our racial makeup is with one ounce of African American in us we are Black in americas eyes. We may look like an interracial couple when you see us but like I said we have a mixed background. Even though we choose to celebrate our mixed heritage proudly!

diversity and racism aren't mutually exclusive. a friend from college is vietnamese and her husband is from northern europe. she told me that vietnamese regularly make comments to her "she should have married her own" etc. guess you never know.

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Isn't asking for a specific racial mix in a neighborhood racist? That's kind of like saying, I don't want to move into a neighborhood with too many black people in it, I'll take a few but not too many.

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Isn't asking for a specific racial mix in a neighborhood racist? That's kind of like saying, I don't want to move into a neighborhood with too many black people in it, I'll take a few but not too many.

A little racist, but more "mixist".

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Isn't asking for a specific racial mix in a neighborhood racist? That's kind of like saying, I don't want to move into a neighborhood with too many black people in it, I'll take a few but not too many.

It is a "race-based" request, but pretty much the opposite of racist.

Racist / racism, by the most accepted definition is the belief that one race is superior to another.

Wanting a mix of all races is, imho, what America needs... The Great American Melting pot and whatnot...

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It is a "race-based" request, but pretty much the opposite of racist.

Racist / racism, by the most accepted definition is the belief that one race is superior to another.

Wanting a mix of all races is, imho, what America needs... The Great American Melting pot and whatnot...

As far as I'm concerned, anything but an indifferent attitude towards race is racism. America needs to become more indifferent towards race, IMHO.

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As far as I'm concerned, anything but an indifferent attitude towards race is racism. America needs to become more indifferent towards race, IMHO.

We need to really start mixing more then. Until we become a country with lots of mixed-races, it will still be us vs. them.

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I don't think ranchstyle will be happy living ANYWHERE in this city, as it is obvious that her Utopian dream cannot be met in ANY part of this Metroplex. There will always be more of one race than the other in ANY given part of the city.

ranchstyle, it sounds like the part of NY you came from wasn't as diverse as you have led yourself to believe, but if you could please give the burrough and street you were living on, we here can give you a much better determination of what you are used to. My second question would be, if you work out of your home, and you had the exact mix you were looking for in NY already, then why did you leave and run the risk of falling into , God forbid, a neighborhood that might have a few more hispanics in it than you would like. Welcome to Houston,Texas.

BTW, I don't believe your B.S. about NOBODY disrespected ANYBODY else throughout the five burroughs. You can go peddle that nonsense elsewhere.

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We need to really start mixing more then. Until we become a country with lots of mixed-races, it will still be us vs. them.

Mixing is a start, but mixed-race folks have their own crosses to bear. There is not end-all-be-all solution to idiot racists.

I'm saying that the best response is a shrug. ____ racist people. Move on.

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