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The Finger Cos. has purchased 11 acres west of downtown on West Dallas between Montrose and Waugh for a possible development that could include apartments, shops, offices and a hotel.

The tract is south of, and adjacent to, the AIG complex on Allen Parkway. Finger said plans have not been made final.

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So the Whole Foods people were at the North Montrose civic association meeting last night and I got some details. The following is what I learned: 1) The reason the back-end of the store is facing

JLB Partners finally posted a rendering of their multifamily project at Montrose and West Dallas on their website.   Axis Houston - http://www.jlbpartners.com/portfolio/show/20-Axis (maybe deserves

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Looking at this property, I know there is a large, empty, grassy section along waugh which must be what they are talking about. But it doesn't look like 11 acres to me. 11 acres would seem to have to include the frontage along the north side of Dallas all the way to Montrose. If that is correct, than he could have a lot of fun with this property. I'm pretty sure he can do better than Perry Homes did when they developed the south side of Dallas 6-8 years ago.

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I have to agree that doesn't LOOK like 11 acres, but I'm not a good judge on that. I'm kinda' curious on how they're planning on building this thing and in what phases.

Offices, retail, then residential?

I don't know whether to agree or not as far as the "Ghost road" goes. There is a discernible difference in a straight line path, though. The other interesting thing (to me) is the foot path leading from the AIB garage and near the JIB.

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What is cool in the aerial photo is that you can see where a street once ran through the site. Is there such a thing as a "ghost street"?

You are correct, sir.. Check out this image from 1995

For those of you who haven't used terraserver, you can change year/resolution by clicking on that "Imagery" dropdown box. 4/1/98 and 12/8/00 (especially) have pretty good resolution around the city

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What is cool in the aerial photo is that you can see where a street once ran through the site. Is there such a thing as a "ghost street"?

Follow the alignment due north to where there is a bend at Waugh. There is a little cut where such a "ghost street" could merge back into Waugh, which I'd suspect is the original alignment of a former bridge.

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The eleven acres are not adjacent. One part is on the northwestern corner of Dallas and Montrose. The other is on the northeastern corner of Dallas and Waugh.

What I've heard from Cushman Wakefield is the Dallas/Montrose piece is strictly residential and the Dallas/Waugh piece is retail. Who knows, though. They were only the brokers. AIG corporate ain't talking, other than to announce it sold to Finger.

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I know the article notes that plans are not yet final, but is there an early word on what mix of uses will be going here? Inside track to who has been retained to to site planning / architecture?

yes but its not public information.

one could do a little research, take an educated guess whos doing his plans, and then make a phone call. doubt that particular firm would disclose anything but you never know.

i know, i know.. i can be such a tease sometimes but i aint saying squat.

:ph34r:

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yes but its not public information.

one could do a little research, take an educated guess whos doing his plans, and then make a phone call. doubt that particular firm would disclose anything but you never know.

i know, i know.. i can be such a tease sometimes but i aint saying squat.

:ph34r:

My "Fingers" are crossed that it will be another Jackson+Ryan project. They designed the Museum Tower and One Park Place for Finger so I am praying we'll get another solid high-rise tower in this location. If it is a high-rise, then I hope they go with the mixed-use route ala One Park Place. My only negative comment on the Museum Tower is the ground floor could have easily housed a restaurant/cafe which could have served the museum district and offered cool views over Bell Park.

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Those two intersections (Dallas @ Montrose, NW and Dallas @ Waugh, NE) are two strategically sound intersections, although I tend to think both would work better as retail rather than residential.

Correct, the bigger chunk at Waugh and Dallas is about 7.5 acres.

If the 11 acres is reported correct, then the lesser chunk appears to extend along Dallas from Montrose to maybe Eberhard, which would make that area about 3.75 acres.

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Does anyone have access to renderings of the Whole Foods/Finger Cos. development announced by Nancy Sarnoff this afternoon?

www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/5776413.html

I'm very interested to know if it is mixed use in its site planning or only in its tenant mix?

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Does anyone have access to renderings of the Whole Foods/Finger Cos. development announced by Nancy Sarnoff this afternoon?

www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/5776413.html

I'm very interested to know if it is mixed use in its site planning or only in its tenant mix?

There is an existing thread about this property here

Sounds interesting...

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A future phase includes a high-rise apartment tower for the land closer to Montrose. Developer Marvy Finger said the building could be similar to his company's 20-story Museum Tower on Montrose near the Museum District.

This is only gonna get our hopes up and we'll look back at this article in the future and only sigh.

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This is only gonna get our hopes up and we'll look back at this article in the future and only sigh.

lol :D ...but another grocery store (whole foods) would be great for the area b/c Krogers on W.Gray gets crazy at times.

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This seems pretty close to the Whole Foods on Kirby, but I guess inner loopers love them some Whole Foods. I like certain speciality items from Whole Foods, but I can't do my full on grocery shopping there, you can't find things like Doritos and Oreos. Anyways, so is this pretty close to Regent Square? Hey, if this and the BLVD Place one are built, there will be a Whole Foods triangle, kinda.

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This seems pretty close to the Whole Foods on Kirby, but I guess inner loopers love them some Whole Foods. I like certain speciality items from Whole Foods, but I can't do my full on grocery shopping there, you can't find things like Doritos and Oreos. Anyways, so is this pretty close to Regent Square? Hey, if this and the BLVD Place one are built, there will be a Whole Foods triangle, kinda.

The store is also servicing Memorial heights, Rice Military, etc...it's kind of surprising, but there's not one grocery store west of downtown and east of Westcott (memorial park) for the entire area between Dallas and I-10.

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Glad to see this is finally confirmed! It's been the rumor at the office for months now (I work in the AIG tower). The location makes sense because it's convenient to midtown, montrose and the heights. And that Alabama Whole Foods is always jammed.

Yay! A new place to eat lunch and do shopping after work without having to move my car from the parking garage!

My understanding is that the other Fingers parcel acquired from AIG, on Dallas and Montrose, will be residential only.

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The comments in the Chron article are priceless. Lost of Whole Foods envy by people outside of the loop, and a significant amount of vitriol directed at 2d Baptist Church for seeing to the demise of the Woodway store. Wow. Remember when Whole Foods was just that Hippie grocery store at the Alabama Center? I find the whole frenzy rather amusing. But I can't help but be excited about the development of this parcel.

Now excuse me while I enjoy my fair trade coffee and soy milk before I head out to work.

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It sounds like although it'll have apartments and maybe a residential tower in the future, it's still gonna have a suburban feel. Do yall get that, too, or is it just too early to tell?

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It sounds like although it'll have apartments and maybe a residential tower in the future, it's still gonna have a suburban feel. Do yall get that, too, or is it just too early to tell?

I drove by this morning and wondered the same thing, especially in light of the comments about the West Gray Kroger parking lot being jammed. I get the feeling that it going to be a suburban style massive parking lot with a market and some retail -- I don't really see another way. I keep suspecting that the apartments will run along the Dallas frontage, if any. I like a lot of Finger's stuff and I hope that they will do something a little different but I keep envisioning the suburban kind of feel you are talking about.

The thing with Whole Foods is that they are the perfect tenant to try something a little out of the ordinary with their design. People go there because they want to go to Whole Foods, not because they just need to stop by the market. I think their customers would handle a little variation from the norm quite well.

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I wish HEB and Central Market would get their act together and open up some decent stores inside the loop.

I live near the WF on Bellaire, but rarely go to it. The parking lot is, however, always packed. I'm sure the demand is there for their new location on Waugh.

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when will this whole foods be completed? 2013?

I'd think a lot earlier than that. I think the article mentioned construction might begin at beginning of 2009.

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I've wondered the same thing. I guess the Heights doesn't have enough yuppies yet...

the heights doesn't have a whole foods feel to me. I see it having more of a trader joes feel.

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the heights doesn't have a whole foods feel to me. I see it having more of a trader joes feel.

Trader Joe's ...You hit it on the head, that place totally has a Heights feel to it no matter where you are in the country. The same thing could be said for an area like the east end, I could see a Trader Joes there before a whole Foods.

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\What I've heard from Cushman Wakefield is the Dallas/Montrose piece is strictly residential and the Dallas/Waugh piece is retail. Who knows, though. They were only the brokers. AIG corporate ain't talking, other than to announce it sold to Finger.

The sign on the property says:

Restaurant: 8,000 square feet

Retail: 21,000 square feet

The Whole Foods on the property is planned at 50,000 square feet, which is larger than the average 38,000 square feet for a typical Whole Foods (per the Sarnoff article from earlier this year).

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Workers have staked off the property over the past week. The areas staked off stretch from W. Dallas and Waugh (the Whole Foods site) to W. Dallas and Eberhard (across from Vincent's and Nino's). I haven't noticed any changes to the property that is between Eberhard and Montrose.

It's a little hard to see the stakes, but here are a few pictures. This could end up being a very nice addition to the neighborhood:

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