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Cy Ridge and Cy Fair are real beauties. Hopefully the new Klein HS can equal those.

Klein ISD believes in reusing Architects and Floorplans, HS #5 and HS #6 will most likely be a redesign of Klein Collins, adding new features like Grade Level Houses and a 3rd Gym. They have to go by the Findings and Directions Plan. The new Schools will most likely be redesigned by RWS Architects, the Architectural Firm who designed Klein Collins HS.

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Klein ISD believes in reusing Architects and Floorplans, HS #5 and HS #6 will most likely be a redesign of Klein Collins, adding new features like Grade Level Houses and a 3rd Gym. They have to go by the Findings and Directions Plan. The new Schools will most likely be redesigned by SHW Group, the Architectural Firm who designed Klein Collins HS.

That's kind of disappointing. I wonder whether it's a budget thing or just insensitivity to things like aesthetics and identity.

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That's kind of disappointing. I wonder whether it's a budget thing or just insensitivity to things like aesthetics and identity.

It's a budget thing. The district saves money on Architectural Fees because the architect doesn't have to design a building, he already has drawings from the previous Klein school. The Architect only has to design a siteplan because every piece of property is different. For example Benignus, Frank and Elem. Schools #26-27 will be the same design, the district just spends money on making the school's fit to it's site.

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HA! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

My "vision" for all Klein ISD schools:

100% graduation rates from all Klein ISD high schools, 100% going to college or trades they've been trained for at the high school level.

I couldn't care less about aesthetics/architectural designs. Heck, Klein ISD has so many attending classes in trailers now that maybe our future schools should just be a big lot loaded up with lots of portable trailers!

And, seriously, enough of this talk about "flagship" schools, how about equality for all schools, since we're all paying the same amount of money for the same quality of education for our kids?

Grandeur, flagship, pffffffttttt!

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HA! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

My "vision" for all Klein ISD schools:

100% graduation rates from all Klein ISD high schools, 100% going to college or trades they've been trained for at the high school level.

I couldn't care less about aesthetics/architectural designs. Heck, Klein ISD has so many attending classes in trailers now that maybe our future schools should just be a big lot loaded up with lots of portable trailers!

And, seriously, enough of this talk about "flagship" schools, how about equality for all schools, since we're all paying the same amount of money for the same quality of education for our kids.

Grandeur, flagship, pffffffttttt!

Well, it was a joke of course. I'm glad you found it funny. And I know that there is no "flagship" in a public school district (though if you really want equality, you'll agree that Klein HS needs serious attention relative to Klein Oak and Klein Forest).

But I am serious about architecture. Architecture gives the students pride, and it gives the community pride. It also signals that the community places a high value on the mission and purpose of the school. Sure there should be grandeur. Look at all the grand old high schools in cities like Boston and Philadelphia... the people that built those schools knew the value of education, and the students who walked into them got the message.

The irony is that most of those people lived in houses that were, by our standards, not that fabulous. Yet they were still willing to put serious money into their school. Today we live in grand McMansion houses, but our schools are built on the cheap. Says something about our values.

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Well, it was a joke of course. I'm glad you found it funny. And I know that there is no "flagship" in a public school district (though if you really want equality, you'll agree that Klein HS needs serious attention relative to Klein Oak and Klein Forest).

But I am serious about architecture. Architecture gives the students pride, and it gives the community pride. It also signals that the community places a high value on the mission and purpose of the school. Sure there should be grandeur. Look at all the grand old high schools in cities like Boston and Philadelphia... the people that built those schools knew the value of education, and the students who walked into them got the message.

The irony is that most of those people lived in houses that were, by our standards, not that fabulous. Yet they were still willing to put serious money into their school. Today we live in grand McMansion houses, but our schools are built on the cheap. Says something about our values.

Actually, there is a mention somewhere on the Klein ISD website that refers to Klein High as "the signature school" for the district, so I guess, even though you meant to be funny, it really wasn't that far off the mark.

As for the architecture thing, there's always been a perception, that for some reasons, buildings built in some parts of the country are not only better built but better maintained, than buildings here in the Houston area, where it seems like once something is approaching the 40-year mark, we need to bulldoze it and start over. Why that is, I don't know.

I also think that when you are looking at a $640 million dollar bond package, when we just passed a bond election just four years that was about one-third of this one, and we're already looking ahead four years from now to passing another one, perhaps even larger than $640 million dollars, that maybe we should be paying closer attention to what's being included in that bond proposal, and I don't think we are.

You are referring to simpler times, people focused on the educational aspects and good, safe buildings in which the learning took place. You had a small school board, a small maintenance staff and a small teaching staff.

Take a look, in comparison, to what the modern school district, like Klein ISD, has become, and it's not even close. Our administrative staff is bloated, we have programs that cost exorbitant amounts of money (like the Chancery system) that even when the programs turn out to be ineffective or worse, we don't ask for our money back, we hire more consultants to find out why it's not working, and we keep making excuses to our taxpayers and we keep asking for even more money.

We hire other consultants (like the PASA group) whom we pay even more money to for their advice, and then we ignore it. But, we keep hiring them back every year. There are other ineffective programs just like this, that keep getting paid for.

I understand that you think it's a good idea to re-build Klein High, and IF we didn't face serious overcrowding issues at our other schools that will now be ignored for four more years if Klein High is re-built, and IF the bond proposal was not for $640 million dollars, I would definitely be agreeable to that re-build, because after all, we want the students at Klein High to be as proud of their school as the Klein Oak students are of theirs.

The bond proposal for this amount of money in these precarious financial times for many of the 42,000 Klein ISD homeowners is just too much to ask for at this time. If the school board can seriously whittle that number down and cut out all but the most necessary items, then I'll vote for it. If they address the overcrowding that is happening RIGHT NOW, and not just four years into the future, and bring that number down, then I have no problem with Klein High getting their re-build.

However, if the number stays the same, and the school board decided to stick with their plan to add a wing onto Klein Oak, which will increase the population to 5,000 kids, then I will be voting NO to the bond proposal.

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As for the architecture thing, there's always been a perception, that for some reasons, buildings built in some parts of the country are not only better built but better maintained, than buildings here in the Houston area, where it seems like once something is approaching the 40-year mark, we need to bulldoze it and start over. Why that is, I don't know.

Maybe because having a one-story building with narrow hallways at the heart of a 5A campus just isn't something that's worth preserving?

You are referring to simpler times, people focused on the educational aspects and good, safe buildings in which the learning took place. You had a small school board, a small maintenance staff and a small teaching staff.

What does this have to do with building quality architecture?

in these precarious financial times for many of the 42,000 Klein ISD homeowners is just too much to ask for at this time.

You're starting to sound a bit rhetorical. I didn't know that we lived in such "precarious financial times."

I will agree however that bureaucracy and waste is something that needs to be cut down.

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Maybe because having a one-story building with narrow hallways at the heart of a 5A campus just isn't something that's worth preserving?

Yeah, I'm sure all those "grand old high schools in cities like Boston and Philadelphia" didn't have any one-story buildings with narrow hallways, NOT!

What does this have to do with building quality architecture?

Oh, that refers to this;

Look at all the grand old high schools in cities like Boston and Philadelphia... the people that built those schools knew the value of education, and the students who walked into them got the message.

Were you actually trying to say that because the grand old high schools LOOKED impressive that the students attending those grand schools had a higher appreciation of the "value of education" than students attending Klein High do now?

You're starting to sound a bit rhetorical. I didn't know that we lived in such "precarious financial times."

Sorry, yeah, I'm guess it's just little old me that's living in precarious financial times. Lucky you!

I will agree however that bureaucracy and waste is something that needs to be cut down.

Ah, something we both agree upon! YES!

As I have stated before, I have no problem voting for a bond proposal, just not the one currently proposed to us.

Address the overcrowding issues FIRST, that is a more pressing need, in my humble opinion.

Lower the current bond proposal numbers. Whittle the thing down, remove the "wants" out of it.

Then, maybe, in four years, IF the current overcrowding situation has been properly taken care of, THEN re-build Klein High.

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Yeah, I'm sure all those "grand old high schools in cities like Boston and Philadelphia" didn't have any one-story buildings with narrow hallways, NOT!

Actually, most of them didn't, at least not as their main building. And that's the problem - having as the nexus of your campus a building designed for a 2A school. Check out how crowded those hallways are between classes sometime.

Were you actually trying to say that because the grand old high schools LOOKED impressive that the students attending those grand schools had a higher appreciation of the "value of education" than students attending Klein High do now?

I think the architecture of a school sends a message as to the seriousness of what takes place there. It's called visual rhetoric, and students do respond to it, albeit subconsciously for the most part.

Sorry, yeah, I'm guess it's just little old me that's living in precarious financial times. Lucky you!

I'm a high school teacher.

The people who live in this area can afford a bigger bond, just a matter of priorities.

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Check out how crowded those hallways are between classes sometime.

Well, I know how crowded they are at Klein Oak already and they are no more crowded at Klein, in my opinion.

I think the architecture of a school sends a message as to the seriousness of what takes place there. It's called visual rhetoric, and students do respond to it, albeit subconsciously for the most part.

Are you trying to imply that the current architectural elements employed at Klein High do not send this message already?

The people who live in this area can afford a bigger bond, just a matter of priorities.

Wow, that's a pretty broad and sweeping statement, but nevertheless, even if the people who live in this are CAN afford a bigger bond, is that justification enough in your mind to force one upon them for over $500 million dollars?

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Well, I know how crowded they are at Klein Oak already and they are no more crowded at Klein, in my opinion.

They're just twice as wide at Klein Oak.

Are you trying to imply that the current architectural elements employed at Klein High do not send this message already?

It was more a general statement of how we build schools, pineda. But if you want to talk about Klein High, then look at the picture at the top... do you call that architecture?

Wow, that's a pretty broad and sweeping statement, but nevertheless, even if the people who live in this are CAN afford a bigger bond, is that justification enough in your mind to force one upon them for over $500 million dollars?

How do you force a bond on someone? It's an election. It's up to the public whether they want to pay for something. But overcrowding means there are more families, which means there should be more money to pay for schools.

What is so precarious about these financial times? Are we in a depression in this city that I was unaware of?

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Klein High School

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Klein Oak High School

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Klein Collins High School

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Cy Ridge High School

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Klein Forest High School

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Cy Ridge High School

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Tomball High School

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Cy-Fair High School

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Klein Oak High School

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The Original Klein High School (Rural High School #1) 1938

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Mittlestadt Elementary School

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Westfield High School

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Klein Forest high School 1979

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Cy Woods High School

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They're just twice as wide at Klein Oak.

I don't think so, but if this a reason to re-build Klein? No.

It was more a general statement of how we build schools, pineda. But if you want to talk about Klein High, then look at the picture at the top... do you call that architecture?

So, it's not pretty like Klein Collins. Is this a reason to re-build Klein? No.

How do you force a bond on someone? It's an election. It's up to the public whether they want to pay for something. But overcrowding means there are more families, which means there should be more money to pay for schools.

Oh, you're definitely right about it being an election, but why do some of the steering committee members find it necessary to form their own PAC to make sure it passes, with the Klein High re-build included? I wonder...

Because in Klein, we are heavy on the residential side and light on commercial tax base, the residents here have to pay a heavier share of school taxes than other commercial-rich districts, so we don't necessarily have more money here.

I look forward to seeing you at the polls, H-Town Man! Hopefully, the school board members and the superintendent have been getting e-mails from the residents affected and the current proposal will be revised downward and the Klein High re-build postponed until the overcrowding issues are addressed first and then I'll be happy to vote in favor of it.

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So, it's not pretty like Klein Collins. Is this a reason to re-build Klein?

If that's the reson then I supporting the bond.

I could not resist posting the second photo of KOHS

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