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I think the golf course has always been Glenbrook (even before Glenbrook Valley was built - They took the name of the course for the subdivision)

The Bayou was straightened in '94ish. That is when they bypassed the part up by Charleton Park (note the topo map has a spelling error) and lopped off wyne st. The neighborhood wanted that part of the bayou to stay connected though, but it can get sort of stagnant now.

Yes, I see! I had that thought, I went to grade school for 8 years across the street from Charleton Park.

I can believe the Golf Course has always been "Glenbrook", I wonder why that name didn't make it to this map?

I actually am more familiar with the Golf Course before the Sims straightening, I used to explore over there when I was a kid on a bicycle. I used to ride my bicycle through the Golf Course and cross the bayou (Meadowbrook to Park Place and vice-versa) to get to school. I recall that Glenbrook GC allowed cars to go through the GC. The bridge over the Sims was built to handle cars. Once the GC closed off car traffic (around 1965), they continued to allow pedestrians/bicycles to pass through and use that bridge.

I think the map labeling (and spelling) is a little sloppy in places, but for me it is a facinating map to look at.

It lets me see what the entire area where I grew up (Park Place, Meadowbrook, South East end) looked like before I arrived (was born) in '57.

-Gary K

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Now that I look at the picture again, they do look like walkways w/ auto road in the middle, promotional ad from 1926. So approx. 20 yrs. later, who knows what was going on. There was a similar one described for Woodland Heights, with the same type of entrance, in an old book I read at the library. Would have been neat to see those gates, especially at night. No sign of the ballroom structure at the golf course, in 1946/47, I notice. Those apts. near Alaska were more like garage apts., parking underneath, very sixties, spiral stairs were outside, not a huge lot.

It just seems strange that there's nothing to either side of the arches & nothing to the west, with Howard dead-ending there. When the arches were built, I guess the interurban was still operational, so maybe there was a stop, or planned stop, at the arches. I don't remember anything about a "ballroom" at the golf course, just normal things you'd see at a golf course (I caddied there a while, before going to work at Peppermint Park) - maybe ballroom burned down sometime during the depression.

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It just seems strange that there's nothing to either side of the arches & nothing to the west, with Howard dead-ending there. When the arches were built, I guess the interurban was still operational, so maybe there was a stop, or planned stop, at the arches. I don't remember anything about a "ballroom" at the golf course, just normal things you'd see at a golf course (I caddied there a while, before going to work at Peppermint Park) - maybe ballroom burned down sometime during the depression.

Ernie

Regarding the arches, am I understanding things correctly:

1) The Gulf Freeway did not yet exist.

2) The 3 routes from Downtown area to Southeast Houston (and Galveston) were: (Old) Galveston Highway, The "train"(?) whos tracks went to Galveston, and Winkler Dr.

3) Perhaps the developer of Meadowbrook built the arches on Howard to attract attention (to the new subdivision) of the passers-by traveling the 3 routes listed above?

-Gary K

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'Gary K' asked:

Regarding the arches, am I understanding things correctly:

1) The Gulf Freeway did not yet exist. Correct. Not until about 1952

2) The 3 routes from Downtown area to Southeast Houston (and Galveston) were: (Old) Galveston Highway, The "train"(?) whos tracks went to Galveston, and Winkler Dr. There was also interurban train (electric) between Houston & Galveston until mid/late 1930s & was operational in 1926 when arches were built. Don't know if regular train service (tracks along OGR) was available.

3) Perhaps the developer of Meadowbrook built the arches on Howard to attract attention (to the new subdivision) of the passers-by traveling the 3 routes listed above? Seems like would have been on the other side of Winkler - entrance to neighborhood, rather than entrance to nowhere. I'm not sure exactly where OGR arch was.

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Regarding the arches, am I understanding things correctly:

1) The Gulf Freeway did not yet exist.

2) The 3 routes from Downtown area to Southeast Houston (and Galveston) were: (Old) Galveston Highway, The "train"(?) whos tracks went to Galveston, and Winkler Dr.

3) Perhaps the developer of Meadowbrook built the arches on Howard to attract attention (to the new subdivision) of the passers-by traveling the 3 routes listed above?

-Gary K

Yeah, there was an interurban railway, as well, that went from Houston to Galveston...I believe from the 1920's, may be wrong on that date. The Gulf Frwy followed the same route as the IU railway, until about where Berry Bayou at Winkler is, then it veers to the right a bit (looking south). The arches would have sat very near it. That Spanish style architecture was very popular at that time. There are several park structures from that time period that are still around. Golfcrest CC (Golf Course), Hermann Pk Golf Course, and Mason Park all have Spanish style bldgs. Originally, River Oaks had some, as well. If you read the first post, 2 arches were mentioned, at each end of Howard Dr. I do know from my grandmother's own experiences that the Old Galveston Road was used by autos to get to Galveston. She talked about hiring jitneys, and going to Sylvan Beach, as well.

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http://sloanegallery.com/newpage61.htm

There is a picture in this collection of the interurban railway, and the stop at Meadowbrook. Notice that it is of Spanish style. The land in the background sure was flat & empty.

Made lots of trips to Galveston with parents, from Meadowbrook, both before & after Gulf Freeway opened. Old Galveston Highway - US 75, I believe - went through lots of towns but the whole freeway route was pretty "flat & empty", as I recall it in the early to mid 1950s.

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Just ran across this on the Glenbrook Golf Course web page...it was first built as the "Rio Rita Country Club" in 1924, as a "9 hole course with sand greens". Says opened in 1927, I'm assuming they are referring to the opening under the new name of Glenbrook. Also, it mentions that Al Espinosa won the Houston Open there, in 1929.

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I just saw on Facebook, on the Park Place page, that Glenbrook Pool was torn up, diving towers to come down, to be remodeled. There were changes in the layout of the bayou, making the pool sit too close to the bayou. The new layout puts the pool much closer to the road.

I'm sad to see the old pools and 1960's pavilion come down. Lots of summer memories there.

Check out the pics, glad to see someone documented this. Facebook page is from a month ago.

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I also learned from the picture collage of the Park Place Facebook page, that there was an equestrian center in the 1940's at Glenbrook, by the golf course.

There are pics of a girl in riding gear, in B/W pictures.

Never heard that, before!

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I just saw on Facebook, on the Park Place page, that Glenbrook Pool was torn up, diving towers to come down, to be remodeled. There were changes in the layout of the bayou, making the pool sit too close to the bayou. The new layout puts the pool much closer to the road.

I'm sad to see the old pools and 1960's pavilion come down. Lots of summer memories there.

Check out the pics, glad to see someone documented this. Facebook page is from a month ago.

Link to the Glenbrook Pool photos.

https://www.facebook...375.71454851372

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Glenbrook pool has a "twin", diving board/platform w/olympic pool, off of the beltway, @ Spring Branch. (Campbell St. area) Does anyone know about it? Bye the way, that Glenbrook tower needs a good paint job.

I just looked up that pool in Spring Branch, reminded me of the one in Glenbrook. It looks like it was built later than the Southeast Houston pool, not in the 1973 map, but appears in the 1981 map, source: Historic Aerials. Surprised me, that it was built later. The time I actually passed by the Spring Branch pool, it looked very similar to the Glenbrook one. It had those white diving towers . Too bad the Glenbrook pool was just torn down. The SB pool is named Agnes Moffitt Park, aka Spring Woods Park) at 10645 Hammerly (close to the beltway, north of I-10, Katy Frwy).

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MeadowbrookAerialPhoto1944-1.jpg <BR><BR>Here's a 1944 aerial shot of Meadowbrook, Sam Houston Gardens, and Glenbrook Country Club, from GoogleEarth.<BR>The arches were probably removed by that time, I can't spot them in this photo.<BR>What really interests me about this shot is this: notice all the little square white houses on the streets Lenore & small part of Barkley, next to the military housing. Wonder if they were built as part of the govt. facilities, as well. Notice how different they are, from the Meadowbrook lots. They are so identical to each other,<BR><BR>PS: I'm still learning how to edit/ download a photo properly... :(<BR><BR><BR> Edited by NenaE
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I think we have "talked" before about Meadowbrook & Dogpatch. When I was six months old (July 1945) my parents bought the little house at 8128 Barkley. I lived there until I joined the Air Farce, in 1963, and my mother lived there until 1975.

In the Google Earth shot, I believe one set of arches was right next to the I45 symbol. I have no idea where the OGR set was - or if it really ever existed.

As I remember it, all of the houses on Lenore were similar in construction (asbestos siding, metal windows, linoleum floors, etc.) to the Dogpatch duplexes, as were most of the post war units built on Elrod, Barkley & Howard. "My" block on Barkley looks similar to the Lenore houses in this pic, but they were altogether different - real wood siding, wood double hung windows, hardwood floors, etc. HCAD shows these units being anywhere from 800+ to 1300+ square feet, but many must have had "add ons", closed in porches, closed in garages, etc. Every one that I was ever in had 2 bedrooms & 1 bath, probably between 850 & 950 sq. ft., about the same size as the one I grew up in. The "Lenore houses" might have been even smaller.

By the '50s, when I was wandering the neighborhood, most all of the vacant lots in the picture had been filled in, quite often with small, cheap looking houses (compared to ones that were there pre war).

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I think we have "talked" before about Meadowbrook & Dogpatch. When I was six months old (July 1945) my parents bought the little house at 8128 Barkley. I lived there until I joined the Air Farce, in 1963, and my mother lived there until 1975.

In the Google Earth shot, I believe one set of arches was right next to the I45 symbol. I have no idea where the OGR set was - or if it really ever existed.

As I remember it, all of the houses on Lenore were similar in construction (asbestos siding, metal windows, linoleum floors, etc.) to the Dogpatch duplexes, as were most of the post war units built on Elrod, Barkley & Howard. "My" block on Barkley looks similar to the Lenore houses in this pic, but they were altogether different - real wood siding, wood double hung windows, hardwood floors, etc. HCAD shows these units being anywhere from 800+ to 1300+ square feet, but many must have had "add ons", closed in porches, closed in garages, etc. Every one that I was ever in had 2 bedrooms & 1 bath, probably between 850 & 950 sq. ft., about the same size as the one I grew up in. The "Lenore houses" might have been even smaller.

By the '50s, when I was wandering the neighborhood, most all of the vacant lots in the picture had been filled in, quite often with small, cheap looking houses (compared to ones that were there pre war).

You should see what's there now.

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It's a shame it was allowed to decay...one person on Facebook was just saying that, way back when, probably 1940's, Meadpwbrook was considered the River Oaks of the southeast side. Don't know if I'd go that far, but it was a beautiful property, around the golf course, country club, until the stinky petro-chemical companies arrived. I can say that, I grew up next to them.

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I sure never saw any similarity with River Oaks. When I was a kid it was just a lower middle class working neighborhood. By the early '60s, the neighborhood had gotten pretty rough & Dogpatch was borderline slum area (in my opinion).

Oak Meadows (other side of tracks & OGR) was several steps up from Meadowbrook, while Glenbrook Valley & Meadowcreek Village were where the "rich folks" lived. Seems amazing that Glenbrook Valley is now "historical", since I remember when much of the neighborhood was "under construction".

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I sure never saw any similarity with River Oaks. When I was a kid it was just a lower middle class working neighborhood. By the early '60s, the neighborhood had gotten pretty rough & Dogpatch was borderline slum area (in my opinion).

Oak Meadows (other side of tracks & OGR) was several steps up from Meadowbrook, while Glenbrook Valley & Meadowcreek Village were where the "rich folks" lived. Seems amazing that Glenbrook Valley is now "historical", since I remember when much of the neighborhood was "under construction".

I think maybe the Glenbrook Country Club promoted that idea.

Your perspective is interesting, I never thought Oak Meadows was considered nicer that Meadowbrook. I grew up in Oak Meadows, years - 1960's.

They felt like they were closer to the chemical plants, all the same tract homes, maybe they were desirable because they were newer construction.

The ones in Meadowbrook ( two-stories on Howard Dr. & all homes on north side of neighborhood) fascinated me, they were all so different.

I, too, grew up thinking the rich kids lived in Glenbrook & Meadowcreek.

I love the aerial shot I posted recently, above, due it's green space.

As for Glenbrook, was glad to see any SE Houston neighborhood architecture get some recognition.

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These photographs were taken of the military housing in the "Sam Houston Gardens" area (SE side) of Meadowbrook subdivision. My grandfather was in the Army, in Hiroshima, after the attack. I'm guessing that these pics were taken in the mid - to late 1940's. My mom & her brother are pictured, playing in the snow.

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I grew up in Meadowbrook, 1945 to 1963, and my mother lived there until 1975. Your pictures look like similar construction to houses in "Dogpatch", but building orientation to the street looks all wrong, based on what I remember. What street would that have been? Only Elrod or Garland are long enough. Is it possible that some or all of these houses were torn down & something else built in their place?

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I'm still working on the orientation. Bear with me. For now, I'm guessing that the long street is Garland. I've driven down Garland St. in recent years, and know that at least some of the houses remain, all w/ longer lengths of temp. bldg. residences facing the road, on both sides (aerial maps confirm this). I agree, very disorienting. Barrack-buildings (in the old photos) seem to be facing all directions, unlike maps. It's a mystery. I could be wrong, but I believe that the long road in the photo is Garland St., due to it's length and the low elevation of the land, and my belief that it is very close to Berry Creek. The trees in the photos are large. Previous experience with aerial maps tell me that trees were almost always near water. The elevation to the south of Lantana St. slopes considerably, due to the creek. I noticed this on my visual inspection. I'll have to look for an address in my mom's box, where I found these photos. Don't think she will remember. But I do have photos of her at Bonner Elementary. I'll have to note the years. Yes, I agree...temporary bldgs, on blocks, easily moved. The empty space has always intrigued me, such a large area for a children's playground. Can't see them just ignoring all that space, when enlisted men's housing was in short supply.

One detail I've noticed on the Sanborn maps is that the shorter road (Lantana) had a combination of single (square homes) and longer duplexes (rectangle) ones. This still doesn't account for the jumbling of orientations, one behind another. Confusing...but I like a challenge. There is also a very wide ditch west of Lantana behind houses that sat on culdesacs (believe officers quarters).

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I looked at the 1944 aerial that's on Google Earth & it is same as current, so pictures must have been before then. My memory (& Google) indicate that all but one or two units on both Elrod & Garland were duplexes with long side parallel to street.

I always heard that, at one time, "Dogpatch" was military housing for Ellington Field. By the time I was running around in Meadowbrook (early '50s) there was nothing military about it - it was mostly all run down, low cost rental units. As time went by, a few people purchased duplex units, fixed them up & changed them to single family units to live in. I don't know much about the area after the early '60s.

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Guess what Ernie5823...I was wrong about the location of the photos, post #122 Tough to have to admit so early in the new year... Had lesson, don't assume, get real proof.

I assumed the barrack-looking homes were the ones in Sam Houston Gardens, but they were (per my mom) actually located in Denver Harbor (two neighborhoods that merged - Denver & Harbor). I do think they are very similar in construction, though.

My mom was living in Forest Oaks when she attended Bonner Elementary School. There was no Rucker Elementary.

I'll move the pics when I figure out exactly where (address) they were. Aerial maps don't help. Mom mentions Kress St. Hahlo St. and Elliott Elementary. It looks like a huge place, puzzled as to why they don't show up clearly, in the 1944 or 1953 (?) aerial maps.

Does anyone know where exactly they were?

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The "barrack-looking homes" might well be the same as the ones across the street, just oriented with long side at a 90 degree angle to the street. The Army typically did not mix single enlisted housing (barracks) with married enlisted or officer housing.

When did your mom go to Bonner? I was a "mid termer", there from January '51 to January '57.

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My mom was at Bonner from 1951-1953. Then she attended Deady Jr. High. I thought she went to Rucker Elementary, as well, but she didn't.

Only my uncles (her younger siblings) went to Rucker Elem. It was a long ride for her to Bonner for elementary school. My mom lived in Forest Oaks. There was no Howard Dr., only the older road.

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The house at the corner of Glenview and Arizona right across the street from the course that was Spanish style with the large patio area was owned for many years by and still may be owned by the Olson family. I graduated from high school at Milby with one of the brothers and his father Charles Olson was a PE coach at Jackson Jr. High School where I went in the 7th through 9th grade. The older brother Robert Olson was the pro at the Glenbrook Golf Course for several years. Behind the pool across the ditch is where my mother in law still lives.

If you want to see something really interesting do a search on MSN Live maps of the area and go to the end of Neal towards the bayou. Switch your view to birds eye and take a look at the dome house that sits there. Its made of all concrete and is two stories. In the middle of the house is a huge pipe organ that the owner, a doctor likes to play. The house is quite interesting.

Glenbrook course is where I learned to play golf and where my Milby golf team practiced in high school.

Enjoying this old thread, here is all about the dome pipe organ house:

http://aeolianmanorfoundation.org/

http://www.chron.com...gan-3738317.php

I remember riding bikes through the woods behind the Glenbrook Pool and walking through the golf course then taking trails to come out at Charlton park to get to St. Christophers. There was a foot bridge in the woods that we called 'the cement bridge' that had no railings. It was like a sidewalk over the bayou. I was scared to death of falling in the bayou walking across that bridge, and seeing Alligator Gar swimming in the bayou below just made it more scary. That was probably somewhere near where the dome house is now. I think the cement bridge was torn down when the bayou was channelized in the mid 90's.

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Re: Meadowbrook. I come from an old East End family. My late grandfather started Miller's Laundry at the corner of Laporte Road and Frio Street in 1927. At that time the family lived in Laporte and before that Deepwater. Before settling in Deepwater, my grandfather's family were living in Hillsboro, Texas. In the 1890's they moved by covered wagon to Lynchburg, Texas and then Deepwater. After Laporte, my grandparents and their family lived on Mulford, St.(near Lawndale and Telephone). Later to Roseneath St. in Riverside Terrace. During these times my Dad attended Jackson and Deady Jr. High and Milby. When he and my mother got married they bought their first house in Garden Villas. Then WW II came along and they sold that house. Mom stayed with her folks and my dad's while he was flying in the Army Air Corps. When he came back they bought the Model Home for the expanded Meadowbrook in 1945. The address is 8222 Howard and now contains Look's Upholstery shop. We moved away in 1962 when we sold the housed. I have many memories of the neighborhood. When my sister went to Bonner, it was in the old stucco building that still stands today. I went to the newer building starting with Kindergarten. Because of so many War Babies and my birth date, I was always placed in Mid-term classes. Someone mentioned in an earlier post that there were probably only 30 or 40 kids in the neighborhood in the 40's and 50's. That was not the case. There had to be several hundred. We used shacks behind the old stucco building at Bonner in addition to the new brick building. Ms. Bailey was the principal at the time. As others have stated there were some older 20's and 30's vintage homes scattered around the neighborhood. The golf pro at the Glen Brook Golf Course when I lived there was Nat Johnson. My best friend, Jimmy Oliveros, and I used to hang out in the Clubhouse snack bar and buy Cokes and Dentler Potato Chips after school. Later when we were a little older we would "shag" golf balls on the Driving Range. I don't remember the Archways at the entrances to the neighborhood but have seen the old photos of the ones by the RR tracks near Old Galveston Road. Elliott Cundiff's family lived in the first house on the South side of Howard near the tracks. He went on later to own Captain Elliott's Party Boats out of Freeport. His son runs that operation now,and I believe Elliott is more involved with his Crew Boat operation for the Offshore Rigs and Platforms. The grocery store at the corner of Howard and Winkler was named Smith's when we lived there. Later it was Davis'. Accross the street on Howard was the Texaco Station that was originally run by Howard Eslingbaum's dad. Later it was run by Mr. Whitt. The late VW and Porsche Car Dealer, Norman Scott used to live in Dogpatch in Meadowbrook. He had a small gas station and garage on Old Galveston Road. He worked on the cars in the back and she ran the gas pumps in the front. Josephine Abercrombie whose father started Cameron Iron Works helped get him started in the car business after he started maintaining her imported cars. He became the first Volkswagen dealer in the Houston area and later added Porsche cars to the mix. He became a business associate of Max Hoffman of New York(the first U.S. importer of VW and Porsche) and eventually received a commission for every VW and Porsche brought thru the Port of Houston. They left Meadowbrook for the Memorial area and then to Valley Lodge near Fulshear.
What a success story. Sadly, both he and his wife, and their son, Butch, have all passed away. His last dealership location was on the SW Freeway. He had switched to selling Mercedes Benz before passing away. Ferrari of Houston now occupies that location.

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Thanks for the history, dmil. It was especially interesting to learn about Norman Scott. I knew his former son-in-law who was associated for a time with the Mercedes-Benz dealership in Sugar Land.

 

I remember Dentler's potato chips from my childhood as well. I wonder what ever became of that company. Was it bought out by a larger one - Frito-Lay perhaps?

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Funny that Dentler's potato chips would be mentioned in two consecutive posts, albeit not so strange as one might think, they were a pretty big part of my life in the fifties too.

 

I can still remember that green bag I looked for each day in my lunch sack.

 

It would have amazed me to see the new potato chips that are made today, the consistency not only in quality but in quantity, I can remember opening bags of Dentler's and finding one huge chip and a few fragments. Talk about ruining one's lunch. I also rememer finding some pretty burnt chips on occasion. Even with all that, those Dentler chips were probably my favorite food of the fifties.

 

There was a Dentler's restaraunt south of the Medical Center on Fannin or Main until maybe fifteen or twenty (?) years ago, I've always wondered if they were related to the chip makers.

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I don't eat snacks like potato chips that often these days but it does seem I find fewer "anomalies" in the bags than in years past. You know; one single chip with some crumbs like msteele describes, burnt chips, chips shaped like the head of Abe Lincoln or Mother Teresa, and like that.

 

I remember when Pringles first hit the grocery stores. Some people thought the concept was fabulous. I admit they do travel better than potato chips in a bag but I never liked them quite as well as the "traditional" kind.

 

Many years ago I had a client who invited me to lunch at the Houston Polo Club. Since we were going to visit the job site afterward, and didn't want to wear suits (jackets and ties were required in the dining room), we dressed in, what else?, polo shirts and chinos and ate on the patio. That turned out to be a good thing because exclusive to the menu for patio dining was "home-made" potato chips. They were cut slightly thicker than Lays and fried right there in the kitchen perhaps in peanut oil. It was all I could do not to embarrass myself in front of my client by inhaling the entire basket of chips. :P

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Attn: Meadowbrook people ~ FYI - There is an open group on Facebook called "Meadowbrook Neighborhood Houston Texas 77017" that includes resident's memories of the area, photos, including one b/w shot of the east side arch, near OGR and an inter-urban station platform.

Note: you need to send a friend request to view the photos.

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