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That use to be on that block??... and they tore it down why??

Well, it was in bad shape. The facade hadn't been maintained, and it was thought it might be safety hazard. Plus, it was just old.

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I think I like what used to be on that block better:

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Wow, what a cool old building!

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They could have renovated it. They could have just let it sit. But they needed surface parking, and down it went.

Hey, that's a poem! :)

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Stop talking about this beautiful building. I have to keep telling myself that this has always been a surface parking lot. Surely a rational society wouldn't tear down such a magnificent structure to make room for cars? Right? Right???

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All the parking lots around the historic part of DT and the drive-in banks, what use to be their? Were they all old two-three story building that were torn down? What about all the lots around MMP? What about along Main towards Midtown?If so when did all these place get torn down and why? I really would appreciate some info about this. Thank you.....

It is sad what was torn down for that parking lot. It could have been awesome apartments. Someone one time told me that the old Rice hotel was almost torn down at one time. Look what that turned into, one of the best blocks DT!

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All the parking lots around the historic part of DT and the drive-in banks, what use to be their? Were they all old two-three story building that were torn down? What about all the lots around MMP? What about along Main towards Midtown?If so when did all these place get torn down and why? I really would appreciate some info about this. Thank you.....

It is sad what was torn down for that parking lot. It could have been awesome apartments. Someone one time told me that the old Rice hotel was almost torn down at one time. Look what that turned into, one of the best blocks DT!

In the historic district, pretty much every parking lot or garage you see used to be a 2-3 story (or in some cases 5-10 story) old building. The worst tear downs have been around Market Square and along lower Main St. There is a parking lot at Main and Prairie that until 1993 was the site of Houston's oldest commercial building, the original Foley Bros. Dry Goods store (predecessor of Foley's department store). It was structurally sound when it was destroyed. There is a parking garage on I think the 200 block of Main that used to be a classical bank building.

Market Square had buildings along its west and south sides similar to those on its north and east sides that were torn down in the 80's for a parking lot and a chinese restaurant and garage.

On the 1000 block of Main was the Lamar Hotel, Houston's second most important hotel after the Rice and the home of two of Houston's three movie palaces. It was demolished in the mid-80's for parking (though it had been badly renovated some time before), and a few years ago 1000 Main was built there. Across the street was a banking hall designed for First City bank by the firm of Skidmore, Owings, and Merrill, a masterpiece of modernism that accompanied the skyscraper next door. It was demolished in 1998 for parking for the skyscraper.

As you get away from Main, most of downtown was made up of run-of-the-mill, service type buildings: warehouses and garages and what not. Most of these were torn down in the 70's and 80's to save on taxes and capitalize on parking needs. Further back there were Victorian residential neighborhoods on the east, west, and south sides of downtown, and in midtown. The only thing left of them are a couple of houses on Avenida de las Americas and a few old houses in midtown (one is an architectural antiques store).

You can find pictures of what a lot of it used to look like here:

http://www.sloanegallery.com/newpage40.htm

The movie Brewster McCloud shows a brief, tantalizing glimpse of what the historic district looked like when all these old buildings were decaying and waiting to be knocked down.

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In the historic district, pretty much every parking lot or garage you see used to be a 2-3 story (or in some cases 5-10 story) old building.

Thankyou very much for the information.

Please Houston, don't tear down what we have left....

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It looks like the front of the building will be on Walker. I'm wondering how they do the side facing Rusk, which is supposed to have rail running down it by 2012.

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Judging by that map, it looks like it will face Caroline.

Ah, right you are. I wasn't really looking at the map or the renderings around it...I just assumed.

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In the historic district, pretty much every parking lot or garage you see used to be a 2-3 story (or in some cases 5-10 story) old building. The worst tear downs have been around Market Square and along lower Main St. There is a parking lot at Main and Prairie that until 1993 was the site of Houston's oldest commercial building, the original Foley Bros. Dry Goods store (predecessor of Foley's department store). It was structurally sound when it was destroyed. There is a parking garage on I think the 200 block of Main that used to be a classical bank building.

Just to play devil's advocate... don't you kind of have to wonder whether buildings like the Rice Hotel would have been renovated had it been surrounded by abandoned, decrepit old buildings? Sure, surface lots don't make the best neighbors either, but there's no question about what might be lurking inside (misconceived though that impression might be). Certainly Houston's architectural history includes many tragic losses... but it's complicated!

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Anyone find it interesting that despite having an elaborate ground breaking ceremony, there isn't a lick of work going on at their site?

No, not really.

There wasn't even a groundbreaking if you want to be technical. Just a large public announcement almost a week ago.

If it's three months out and the lot is still the same... I might be concerned.

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I saw some guys in hardhats on the lot earlier this afternoon looking over some plans, somewhat similar to the leadup to the activity on the lot of Discovery Tower.

Also, according to the Houston Business Journal this week, the projected begining of construction should be less than 45 days from now.

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That use to be on that block??... and they tore it down why??

Wow! Its been a few years since I was last on here!

I missed the other 50 replies, but will say based on the initial rendering I am disapointed in the architecture of this building. If you are going to spend $100 million on a building whats another 1 - 2 million for a little bit better architecture. Sure HKS isn't Renzo or Foster but I think they could crank out a better design (this is all based on the first rendering I looked at on the first post).

And I guess the first building was torn down back when Houston Center was being planned. Didn't the original plan include like 8 - 10 highrises around the Park Shops development? Probably why it was torn down, sad though!

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All the parking lots around the historic part of DT and the drive-in banks, what use to be their? Were they all old two-three story building that were torn down? What about all the lots around MMP? What about along Main towards Midtown?If so when did all these place get torn down and why? I really would appreciate some info about this. Thank you.....

It is sad what was torn down for that parking lot. It could have been awesome apartments. Someone one time told me that the old Rice hotel was almost torn down at one time. Look what that turned into, one of the best blocks DT!

I Remember seeing a photo of Downtown Houston in the 70's when 1 Shell Plaza was built, there were alot of surface lots. Even more came in the 80's during the booms when old buildings were torn down for 1,000 foot skyscrapers (that never came) and huge developements like the Houston Center.

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Wow! Its been a few years since I was last on here!

I missed the other 50 replies, but will say based on the initial rendering I am disapointed in the architecture of this building. If you are going to spend $100 million on a building whats another 1 - 2 million for a little bit better architecture. Sure HKS isn't Renzo or Foster but I think they could crank out a better design (this is all based on the first rendering I looked at on the first post).

And I guess the first building was torn down back when Houston Center was being planned. Didn't the original plan include like 8 - 10 highrises around the Park Shops development? Probably why it was torn down, sad though!

What happened to the 757?

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Ground breaking delayed again until early May...I've got $5 that says we'll see another delay in May. This building has been on the ropes for a while now.

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All the parking lots around the historic part of DT and the drive-in banks, what use to be their? Were they all old two-three story building that were torn down? What about all the lots around MMP? What about along Main towards Midtown?If so when did all these place get torn down and why? I really would appreciate some info about this. Thank you.....

It is sad what was torn down for that parking lot. It could have been awesome apartments. Someone one time told me that the old Rice hotel was almost torn down at one time. Look what that turned into, one of the best blocks DT!

Don't look too hard for some of the stuff that used to be there. It is depressing as hell. I remember when they tore down the Witch Hat house on Fannin and that was around 1997. But a lot of this stuff was torn down before WWII. Intersting that a lot of the grand houses had a shelf life of about 30 years even back then. The more things change...

Anyway, here are some houses that used to exist along Main St. in Midtown and near the Ballpark.

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Ground breaking delayed again until early May...I've got $5 that says we'll see another delay in May. This building has been on the ropes for a while now.

I knew it!

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Wow. Those houses were grand!

Don't fret though, we now have vacant lots, surface parking, Mexican bus stations, and more to fill in the gaps.

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Wow, really impressive houses! Why did they tear them down? Most of them look like they would be landmarks if they were still standing.

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Sigh. Hard to believe that those parking lots were once things of value.

Is it really that hard to believe?

Those parking lots produce a nice income stream. The 6 Houston Center lot is far more valuable as a parking lot than as a couple of houses...

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Why don't we just turn all of the most beautiful historical homes in Houston into parking lots then?

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Why don't we just turn all of the most beautiful historical homes in Houston into parking lots then?

Starting with nate's! lol, j/k

Seriously, it's a crying shame that everything in Houston seems to come down to "how much money can be made off this". Oh well, such is life in my adopted hometown.

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Why don't we just turn all of the most beautiful historical homes in Houston into parking lots then?

Can we start with the homes near Bissonnet and Ashby? :P

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Why don't we just turn all of the most beautiful historical homes in Houston into parking lots then?

Before those became vacant lots they were commercial areas. In the 50's-70's, South Main was one of Houston's biggest commercial strips, kind of like Westheimer today. Almost every city in America has areas where an early neighborhood of mansions transitioned into commercial, including New York and Chicago. Mansions are no longer the "highest and best use" of the land, the only people who could afford to live in them want to live further out, and something comes along that better justifies land value.

Hopefully soon that land will carry something other than parking lots though.

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It seems to have been a trend for homes built in the late 1800's to be demolished in the 1920's. It may have been because the older homes were not equipped with more modern conveniences. Here's a cool link of some of the grand homes that used to be downtown. I wish more would have been saved or moved (some were). http://www.houstonhistory.com/poduct2/album3/jsalbum.html I'm always facinated by the architecture and grandness of homes like these.

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Getting back on topic, does anyone know what caused the delay? Design, financing, equipment?

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Its a 100% speculative office building on a "tweener" site being built during a national credit crisis by Morgan Stanley (Crescent) who is trying to sell off the real estate company. Pick one.

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Its a 100% speculative office building on a "tweener" site being built during a national credit crisis by Morgan Stanley (Crescent) who is trying to sell off the real estate company. Pick one.

dibs on the morgan stanley one.

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It seems to have been a trend for homes built in the late 1800's to be demolished in the 1920's. It may have been because the older homes were not equipped with more modern conveniences. Here's a cool link of some of the grand homes that used to be downtown. I wish more would have been saved or moved (some were). http://www.houstonhistory.com/poduct2/album3/jsalbum.html I'm always facinated by the architecture and grandness of homes like these.

Probably the main reason that neighborhoods changed so much during that period was that automobiles became very common. With the increase in mobility more areas became available for development (eg River Oaks in Houston). "The Magnificent Ambersons" is an excellent novel about an old wealthy family going through this period. The neighborhood their mansion is on becomes a commercial strip.

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6 Houston Center does not appear as a listing here: http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?cityID=2...mp;statusID=1,2

Didn't they have a ribbon cutting or something a few weeks back. Who enters that information on that site?

That building doesn't exist. It ain't going up. It's just a hole for underground parking. Nothing to see here...move along.

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That building doesn't exist. It ain't going up. It's just a hole for underground parking. Nothing to see here...move along.

What makes you so sure?

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Well, I have been driving by late at night and there doesn't to be any cars (or heavy equipment) in the lot yet.

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Well, I have been driving by late at night and there doesn't to be any cars (or heavy equipment) in the lot yet.

Oh, I thought that maybe you had some inside info as to why it might not happen. All I have heard is that it is happening for sure. They have been delayed, but all indications are that it is still going up.

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any updates on this?? :huh:

the crescent website hasnt changed its 6 houston center page

but i found the listing on emporis and on skyscaperpage

Skyscraperpage says its still proposed....

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=70033

Emporis has the building as approved, and I would believe that before Skyscraperpage. Plus, its still up on Crescent's website. I wouldn't worry too much. If we don't hear anything by the end of the summer, then there could be problems.

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