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This is pretty much done. For comparison  

And another building with cohesive architectural style made incohesive in the name of modernization.  Looks as silly as 811 Louisiana and 2 Houston Center.  Pity.

No stranger to adversity, a completely refreshed version of the 53-story building is being reintroduced to the Houston market in 2021 as the city revives from a coronavirus beat-down and last year’s h

I can't say it is ugly or beautiful. It is there. I do remember and think that if it were built on another block, that I'd like it better. Seems to hide a magnificent view of downtown's other buildings somehow. Oh, well, let's don't worry about it. :closedeyes:

Sorry I'm "worrying" about it. My mistake, I thought this was an architecutural forum and I was positing in a thread that was discussing archietecture. I apologize for my misunderstanding.

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Sorry I'm "worrying" about it. My mistake, I thought this was an architecutural forum and I was positing in a thread that was discussing archietecture. I apologize for my misunderstanding.

i don't think that was said towards you fella...

your comments are welcome, of course. :mellow:

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The Houston Business Journal mentioned that Ken Lay had his office on the 50th floor, which I think is the top. His desk was positioned to face the old Enron building, probably to remind him of his glory days.

Nobody lives at the top of the Heritage Plaza building. The highest floor is 51 and it is vacant, along with 50. Ken Lay had an office on 49. I think is step-son has a company on that floor. One floor below, on 48 are the law offices of Learach Coughlin who are running the class action suit against Enron.

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I can never decide how I feel about this building. I think the concept is interesting. I think it might look better if the glass were a different color.

What color would look better on it? Its grown on me so much that I can't imagine it any other hue or tint.

A black & mysterious at night.

A deep blue if viewed above the horizon line, even in broad daylight.

A medium blue in the morning

Reflects & blends cloudwhite to skyblue at noon.

A dull color when it rains.

A lighter blue at sunset, then continues tinting darking past sunset. And if the clouds turn pink, orange, and red at dusk, so does the facade.

Although, I think the same could be achieved in a green.

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Sorry I'm "worrying" about it. My mistake, I thought this was an architecutural forum and I was positing in a thread that was discussing archietecture. I apologize for my misunderstanding.

I meant for me "I'm not going to worry about it." Just a phrase. Certainly not mentioned for your post. I'm sorry about how I worded my post. I meant, I wish it would have been built in another block somewhere downtown, but I can't worry about that now because it is done. It isn't ugly. And, yes, troyboy, you are definitely important to the forum with your comments and thoughts. ;)

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Sitting here @ Julia's place in the city and just returned from a walk about the Heritage Plaza. Could find no graphics for an address on either the Bagby or Dallas/Brazos entrance. The main entrance faces Dallas/Brazos @ an angle. The foot print for the bldg. as it occupies the entire block {except for a very small section on the N/E quadrant, which houses the old historical Farm Credit Banks (3)} is Bagby to the west, Brazos to the east, Dallas to the south & Lamar to the north.

Went into the lobby and headed straight for the bldg. directory. Only 36 names w/floor and suite #'s were listed for a 55 story bldg. Now I realize that there will be some % of vacancy but w/only 36 tenants listed, they either occupy some huge square footage for office space or multiple floors.

Also noticed the vast open areas of both square and cubic footage for lobby/mezzanine areas. I'm sure same applies to upper levels. Do not know short history of bldg. but the only noticeable graphis are Heritage Plaza. And as I stood outside on the east side of Brazos look'n up, that is 1 very tall bldg. Yesterday I went up to the 59th floor of Wells Fargo to the observation area and @ that elevation you get a very good perspective of heigth.

Another bldg. w/vast open areas @ ground level anyway is B of A. Whew, I do mean vast. But soime of it functions as a working environment of a bank. Latter this morn I will be trodding on north to Chase to tour there observation area @ 70th floor, so I'm told.

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Most of the building was occupied by Texaco and later Chevron. Chevron moved out in 2003 or 2004 which left most of the building vacant. Last year EOG moved in to several of the foors in the 30's. I think later this year Deloit is moving into several floors. At that point most of the building will be occupied. Last year the Plaza (ground floor) and the sky lobby were remodeled. Floors 2-12 are parking and a new parking garage is being built at the opposite corner of Bagby & Dallas which will be connected to Heritage Plaza by a tunnel.

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http://www.realert.com/headlines.php?hid=74248

"Goddard tried to sell Heritage Plaza three years ago. Market pros thought the property might command as much as $430 million, or $374/sf - a valuation that would have shattered pricing records for Houston office properties. But the market turned down, and Goddard pulled the listing."

Forgive me, but 'iconic'?

If there was an award for "Cheesiest Post-Modern Kitsch In Architecture", Heritage Plaza would be a serious contender.

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Forgive me, but 'iconic'?

If there was an award for "Cheesiest Post-Modern Kitsch In Architecture", Heritage Plaza would be a serious contender.

Whether you like it or not, it is an icon.

Even on this, an architecture forum, it is an icon. It is the forum's owner's icon!

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When at least when I see this, I know Im in Houston. The Mayan Pyramid up top was a massive risk for the architect but I dont know what it is about it that intrigues me......huh.gif

It's sad that the neon outline was allowed to degrade into nothing.

When I moved to Houston, about 30% of it was illuminated nightly. Then for a big downtown celebration (the last Power of Houston maybe) it was all turned on, and it was glorious. Then... it was gone.

Occasionally, one segment would light up every few months. Maybe when some janitor accidentally flipped the wrong switch looking for the lights in a storage room. But I only saw the whole thing once.

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Anyone notice the new Heritage Plaza lights? It's basically just white light on the top sides of the building so far. Not sure if they will blanket the rest of the top with lights. Hoping people can get better pics

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edit: posted this in the right forum, right? I was thinking maybe Photographing Houston but idk

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I like those cool white lights a whole lot better than the warm white Christmas lights they normally turn on during the holidays. Wish they would turn on the "eagle" that used to outline the top in white neon. There was a time after they turned it off they just lit the small top portion of the roof in white neon. It looked dumb,

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IMO the outling of buildings with neon, LEDs, or whatever is just wrong. It is banal. The "ziggurat" of the Heritage Plaza building should be uplit like the "tempieto" of the Esperson Building. This would better show the geometry that makes the building interesting in the first place.

Running strings of light around the tops of tall buildings is just unimaginative. Perhaps a stage set designer could come up with better ideas - or a third grader.

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IMO the outling of buildings with neon, LEDs, or whatever is just wrong. It is banal. The "ziggurat" of the Heritage Plaza building should be uplit like the "tempieto" of the Esperson Building. This would better show the geometry that makes the building interesting in the first place.

Running strings of light around the tops of tall buildings is just unimaginative. Perhaps a stage set designer could come up with better ideas - or a third grader.

The whole building isn't outlined with lights, just the shoulders. I agree they do need to at least flood light that whole top feature if they're going to outline the shoulders.

Those are probably LED's spaced really close together on a string or difused in plastic tubes made to look like glass neon tubes. I highly doubt they would go back to the old neon. Its not as energy efficient & its a safety hazard with the high voltage transformers used to power the neon. The downside of using LED's is their life expectancy can be cut drastically short if allowed to over heat, over powered, or just not designed properly. Neon actually burns brighter as ambient temperature gets hotter. LED's are the opposite, they in theory like cooler temperatures below 80 degrees & burn much brighter the colder it is. In places where it stays hot all the time LED's are not a wise choice. Texas kinda falls in between that fine line.

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Source: https://www.bisnow.com/houston/news/office/yet-another-iconic-downtown-tower-is-getting-a-new-look-101024

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Brookfield is at it again. Though it is still handling renovations at Houston Center, Allen Center and Total Plaza, it is now gearing up renovations at Heritage Plaza...

 

Brookfield plans to completely redo its entrance with a new exterior glass curtain wall facing Dallas and Brazos streets. The updated lobby would include a live plant wall and a “social stair” with seating to encourage tenants and visitors to congregate and socialize there. The sky lobby with exterior patio on the 13th floor would be revamped, including adding new conference space and seating. The ground-floor conference center would be upgraded, as would the elevator lobbies...

 

Construction on Heritage Plaza, which has 1.1M SF of office and 29K SF of retail space, will begin in October and is expected to be complete in January 2021. Kirksey is designing the renovations, and O'Donnell/Snider Construction is the general contractor.

 

 

Rendering: 

Yet Another Iconic Downtown Tower Is Getting A New Look

 

Looks like we got another one 🥳

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OKfine... I get it, I'm less than hip.  But what IS it with the "social stair" fad? :ph34r:

 

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If you've toured any medium/big startup HQ in Austin, Boston, SF, or Seattle this basically what you're greeted with upon entering the door. That is Square, btw. I think its actually a cool, ingenious use of the space. 

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On 9/26/2019 at 10:25 PM, mollusk said:

OKfine... I get it, I'm less than hip.  But what IS it with the "social stair" fad? :ph34r:

 

Its been around for a little while. I know it really started to take off as a concept in educational architecture like 5-6 years ago? Its definitely overused and has begun to be repetitive, but hey that's what happens when an idea gets into the mainstream. Its a great idea that has just gotten more diluted as it gets over implemented. I'll answer your second question below the this other quote.

 

On 9/27/2019 at 6:36 PM, Naviguessor said:

Maybe a good and useful one (lately), but a design cliché never the less. As is the “live plant wall”. As ubiquitous as “ROWDY”.  

 

Its absolutely a cliche, but one that does have staying power. The "social stair" not only has the perfect combination of what architects want stairs to be but also what current cultural trends want spaces to be.

If you haven't noticed, architects are very fascinated by stairs, but not really the stairs themselves, but the stairs ability to change space by changing ones elevation in relation to other things. A change in elevation is an intriguing concept for all architects not just for aesthetic arrangement, but for arrangement of people in space, and how that influences communication for people in space with one another and the building itself. A lot of architects really like this idea of the stair as being a place to congregate and communicate. I mean we all have to take a stair at one point or another. A stair can be a way to lead a person from one space to another. Its the perfect confluence of interactions between people and program. So that is the architecture side.

 

Culturally the trend is to essentially turn nearly every public or semi-public space into an interaction point or interaction opportunity, a time or moment for social interaction. The current trends are all about diverging or blending interactions. Its all about collaboration, diversity, multiplicity, and plurality. That's the cultural side of things.

 

Put the two together and you get the "social stair". There is more to it than these things on both ends, but its at least a primer.

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It's also worth noting that "stairs as a social space" is not really a new concept. Think grand staircases in opera houses or the steps to the Philadelphia Museum of Art. They are places, not just to interact with other people, but to be seen interacting with other people. 

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I noticed a few years ago that the Heritage Plaza lighting went back to the old looking beige Christmas lights on the shoulders of the building.  I always thought the building could stand to do more on the top of the building than just light the shoulders, but that's a different topic. But Whatever happened to the new "white" neon lights they had installed back in 2012 as shown in the picture below?

 

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And another building with cohesive architectural style made incohesive in the name of modernization.  Looks as silly as 811 Louisiana and 2 Houston Center.  Pity.

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I used to work for Brookfield.  Almost all design was done out of NY and they were notorious for shoehorning the "Brookfield look" into any building.  It created so many inconsistent designs.  That being said, other than the white stripe, I don’t think this looks too bad and is generally more welcoming. 

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No stranger to adversity, a completely refreshed version of the 53-story building is being reintroduced to the Houston market in 2021 as the city revives from a coronavirus beat-down and last year’s historic oil price collapse. Office vacancy remains high – city’s the overall vacancy rate hit 24.4 percent in the second quarter, reports NAI Partners.

Led by Houston-based Kirksey Architecture, Heritage Plaza’s redesign enhanced the volume and geometry of the interior space and focused on creating a clean and modern design.  Lighter finishes replaced the dark and heavy. using a brighter material palette.

https://realtynewsreport.com/brookfield-properties-unveils-another-chapter/

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