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What is happening to the area of Westheimer west of Fountainview? It seems north of Westheimer, it appears viable with lots of store-front retail and dining, but south of it it appears a bit run down with shady nightclubs and massage parlors taking over the defunct Richmond Strip...

Are we looking at a future Sharpstown?

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What is happening to the area of Westheimer west of Fountainview? It seems north of Westheimer, it appears viable with lots of store-front retail and dining, but south of it it appears a bit run down with shady nightclubs and massage parlors taking over the defunct Richmond Strip...

Are we looking at a future Sharpstown?

As 27 has already explained it, that area is way too far from Westchcase. I have driven on almost every major road in the area between I-10, West Park, West Loop and Highway 6. The only bad parts include the section of Westheimer between Fountainview and Foundren (when I say section, I mean the road itself and not the nearby neighborhoods), section of Westheimer between Kirkwood and Highway 6, section of Richmond from Hillcroft to Gessner and the block bounded by Hillcroft, Richmod, West Park and Fountain View. Those parts look run down primarily because of free-for-all kind of commercial properties. Much of the rest of the region is very solid and include some of the finest neighborhoods in Houston.

As for Westchase, it is roughly bounded by Westheimer, Kirkwood, Gessner and West Park. If anything, this area has actually gotten better in the past and is getting even better. There are many powerful businesses such as Halliburton, BMC Software, Dow Chemical and Microsoft. Indeed, the only part of Westheimer west of Fountainview that is good is the section that runs through Westchase district.

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I was driving along Westheimer yesterday and saw that the Westchase Development District has planted trees in the center median from around Kirkwood to Wilcrest.

They looked either like Cypress or Fir, but they were bare so I couldn't tell.

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I don't think Westchase officially starts until you go west of Gessner. The only "ghetto" part I believe would be on Meadowglen, between Beltway 8 and Gessner. It is kinda scary around there after dark.

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They looked either like Cypress or Fir, but they were bare so I couldn't tell.

Might they be those unusual deciduous conifers that they've planted in Midtown along the Post development and in Downtown in the park near GRBrown, the ones that turn fall colors? If so, good choice, although I would hope that one day Metrorail would run down that median.

By the way, not sure if this would still be Westchase, but one of the largest remaining empty tracts of land on Westheimer, at Synott, will be developed into high-end apartments. They mention possibly adding retail as well. (article here).

Westchase seems to me like the 20-35 year old apartment mecca of Houston. I don't mean that in a bad way and I bet a lot of those apartments will get converted into condos over time.

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Might they be those unusual deciduous conifers that they've planted in Midtown along the Post development and in Downtown in the park near GRBrown, the ones that turn fall colors? If so, good choice, although I would hope that one day Metrorail would run down that median.

Yeah, they did look deciduous, and possibly conifner. I thought the new rumor was having the rail run down Richmond? Westheimer would look great with the rail, but how would all those people get off, and across the street?

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I thought the new rumor was having the rail run down Richmond? Westheimer would look great with the rail, but how would all those people get off, and across the street?

Right, but I'm hoping for a future line down Westheimer. The East-West line, or whatever the name will be, will only go west to...I think near the Galleria.

Westheimer outside the loop is never going to be a pedestrian haven but it's such a major boulevard with a variety of amenities and it passes through such a large population center that it just seems like a likely spot for rail down the road.

As for how passengers would get off and cross, I suppose there would be the same stations in the median and wider versions of the crosswalks used at the stations now.

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My sister just moved out of Westchase, even farther out to the Park 6 area, near I-10 and highway 6.

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There was an article in the paper the other day that said office space in Westchase is filled nearly to capacity, and new projects are coming soon. Jacobs Engineering is one of them. They have a nice building at Oak Park, and they are building a new one near Harwin and BW8. I don't think it will be a new highrise, unfortunately.

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Just inside the Beltway at Westheimer is that 100+ acre tract called West8. They've yet to develop it however. If what you say is true about Westchase commercial space being at full capacity, I wonder if this will push the development of that land?

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I hope so. That area could make Westchase into a cool urban center. There are already some large hotels and buildings there, but there's room for more to fill in.

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Just inside the Beltway at Westheimer is that 100+ acre tract called West8. They've yet to develop it however. If what you say is true about Westchase commercial space being at full capacity, I wonder if this will push the development of that land?

This piece of land is already slated for a new commercial mall and hotel to be built. It was announced about 6 months ago. It will be a very well laid out market place with restaurants and high-end stores. B)

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Any renderings or a website?

Let me dig around buddy. There was a big sign out in front of the land, The roads are already built also. There is also a new BofA already in place there with a Mediterranean Elevation on it, which is what the rest of the place will look like. It is almost like an extension of The Carillion Plaza next to it.

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I am such a dunderhead, It is West8 that I am referring too also, BUT, I swear there is another name for it. I have seen renderings, and there was a mention of it on Channel 2 about 4 months ago. :huh:

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I hope so. That area could make Westchase into a cool urban center. There are already some large hotels and buildings there, but there's room for more to fill in.

I think they're making a new urban village adjacent to Memorial City Mall. It's supposed to have everything you need in a very small space, including grocery, dining, park, and shopping. The only problem is, these ammenities alone do not make it a true urban center. You would also need things like government offices, barber shops, fancy dept. stores, and a post office.

I don't mean to be negative, but I have a feeling that in 10 years, Westchase will be the most dangerous ghetto in Houston, given the direction it is currently heading in. I have been looking at crime GIS reports, and most of the violent crime in Houston in 2005 is happening very close to Westchase, and so I'm afraid it will chase away the desirable people to other parts of town, and the crime wave will just absorb Westchase. Don't let the pretty high rises fool you. Greenspoint built those too in the 80s and look what happened to it since then. I would imagine though that if Westchase turns into a ghetto it would be even more dangerous than Greenspoint, since that area seems to be kept clean and well maintained, at least for the central business district.

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I don't mean to be negative, but I have a feeling that in 10 years, Westchase will be the most dangerous ghetto in Houston, given the direction it is currently heading in. I have been looking at crime GIS reports, and most of the violent crime in Houston in 2005 is happening very close to Westchase, and so I'm afraid it will chase away the desirable people to other parts of town, and the crime wave will just absorb Westchase.

Its all those apartments. I'm thinking of the ones on the northside of Westheimer around Hayes & the other ones on the southside of Westheimer around Rogerdale. Then you've got all those apartments by Tanglewilde around Richmond & Briarpark. What makes it worse, is that there a bunch of newer apartments closer to Highway 6. I can easily see people skipping Westchase apartments to go a little further west, where its "newer".

Oh yeah, I've also noticed prostitutes working the beltway motels in the past as well.

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Its all those apartments. I'm thinking of the ones on the northside of Westheimer around Hayes & the other ones on the southside of Westheimer around Rogerdale. Then you've got all those apartments by Tanglewilde around Richmond & Briarpark. What makes it worse, is that there a bunch of newer apartments closer to Highway 6. I can easily see people skipping Westchase apartments to go a little further west, where its "newer".

Oh yeah, I've also noticed prostitutes working the beltway motels in the past as well.

There is only one apartment complex along Rogerdale south of Westheimer. And that is actually quite nice so I am not sure why you specifically single that one out. The ones around Hayes and some along Kirkwood do look shady. However, I am not sure why would people be skipping Westchase to go all the west to Highway 6. Westchase has a lot more ameneties and has the advantage of location, being closer to Uptown etc, and more accessible due to Beltway 8. I think Westchase is more of a mixed bag. On one hand, you got all those businesses, brand new apartment complexes and proximity to nice neighborhoods like Briargrove, Royal Oaks etc who would want to keep the area safe and clean. On the other hand, you got some questionable apartment complexes. However, isn't this the case anywhere in Houston?

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I know which apartment complex you're referring to, and I wasn't implying that one specifically. I said "around Rodgerdale". I should have said Walnut Bend.

I'm not sure what ammenities people who live in apartments would want, except new construction in their apartment. The only thing Highway 6 apartment renters wouldn't have that Westchase apartment renters have is a PF Changs. If that wasn't the case, then why are new apartments always at near full occupancy, and why older apartments rent for less?

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There's a lot of people in the area - I can attest to that because of the traffic. The densest place in the whole region is midway between 610 and BW8 so wouldn't it make sense that there is more crime? Well, I haven't been murdered yet.

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CREATING A SENSE OF COMMUNITY

'Edge city' evolves into an urban core

Westchase District is working to reinvent itself as a convenient 'downtown' for west Houston

By MIKE SNYDER

Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

......Westchase began developing in the early 1970s on land still grazed by cattle. Today, 25,000 people live in the district, and more than 56,500 work within its boundaries. It is one of Houston's strongest markets for office space.......

Article

Edited by Houstonian in Iraq

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Am I missing something. I read that article and it makes mention of a park, but not anyting about an urban core. The area is mostly built out with few tracks left. I would love to see some apt. complexes get torn down, but I am not holding my breath.

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And don't forget the murder at the car wash on Briarforest Sunday by four Katrina evacuaees.

I heard the Target's parking lot is too dangerous to walk in.

Dirty scuzballs everywhere.

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None of this is surprising. People act like Westchase was supposed to be an edge city like the Woodlands. It's just a district, and very much a part of the city of Houston. Westchase is like Greenspoint area was back in the 90s. It's going through some turbulence. Maybe it will recover and experience a renaissance. Maybe it will get worse and the entire west side will merge with the southwest as a giant ghetto.

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None of this is surprising. People act like Westchase was supposed to be an edge city like the Woodlands. It's just a district, and very much a part of the city of Houston. Westchase is like Greenspoint area was back in the 90s. It's going through some turbulence. Maybe it will recover and experience a renaissance. Maybe it will get worse and the entire west side will merge with the southwest as a giant ghetto.

My husband works in Westchase. Surprisingly, when we talke to 9 out of 10 people in Houston, they have no idea where Westchase is.

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Maybe it will get worse and the entire west side will merge with the southwest as a giant ghetto.

I don't see this happening with the efforts being put forth by the Westchase Development District. Some just needs to keep holding the flame to these apartment complex managers' feet when it comes to rent, and deed restrictions. You have to remember that you have all those nursing homes, shopping centers, Royal Oaks, Shadow Lake, and Walnut Bend west of the belt to vie for that neighborhood.

As for the Asian on Asian crime, I'm willing to bet its Vietnamese on Vietnamese and the shooter(s) probably live somewhere south - nowhere close by there.

Briarforest & Wilcrest is a pocket-ghetto thanks to the complexes on Wilcrest just north of Briarforest. You can tell instantly that bad management let those get so run down. Its a complete shame.

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I live in Westchase. I can't say I'm surprised at all this --- car wash murder, murder at the Camden Park, etc. If you ever drive through the area around Briar Forest and Wilcrest, you might have noticed a real change in the area in the last 8 or 9 months. There are always groups of people walking from the apartment complexes to the shopping center there. Most have their pants hanging down below their butts, and just look like thugs. I was so mad when I heard about the car wash murder, but unfortunately wasn't surprised. Mayor White invited all these evacuees here and they don't have to pay rent, so why should they work. No reason to. And if they need money, they can just rob someone at the car wash.

And don't forget the murder at the car wash on Briarforest Sunday by four Katrina evacuaees.

I heard the Target's parking lot is too dangerous to walk in.

Dirty scuzballs everywhere.

I shop at that Target occasionally, but haven't heard anything about that shopping center. Any specifics you can give?

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Just some friends who work at BMC. They had a car break in and were harrassed in the parking lot for change, etc. They think it was a setup.

No murders or anything, but these Katrina freaks are unpredictable.

Am I the only one who think Mayor White is out of touch? Where in the world is he on all this?

The only peep I have heard from him is that his daughter's arrest "might have been a mistake".

Nice.

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Just some friends who work at BMC. They had a car break in and were harrassed in the parking lot for change, etc. They think it was a setup.

No murders or anything, but these Katrina freaks are unpredictable.

Am I the only one who think Mayor White is out of touch? Where in the world is he on all this?

The only peep I have heard from him is that his daughter's arrest "might have been a mistake".

Nice.

Thanks. Today I told my husband I"m tired of seeing this area on the news, for the wrong reasons. Saturday was the car wash murder, this morning we heard about the murder at Camden Park, then at lunch, Channel 11 had a segment about some guy robbing dollar stores, and the last store that was hit was the Dollar Tree at Westheimer and Wilcrest. This used to be a nice area and I felt safe here. Things have changed way too much for me in the last year.

My husband and I often talk about Mayor White being out of touch.

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Just some friends who work at BMC. They had a car break in and were harrassed in the parking lot for change, etc. They think it was a setup.

No murders or anything, but these Katrina freaks are unpredictable.

Am I the only one who think Mayor White is out of touch? Where in the world is he on all this?

The only peep I have heard from him is that his daughter's arrest "might have been a mistake".

Nice.

I've got to disagree with you here.

As a matter of policy, it is a very good idea for cities prone to hurricanes to consistently cooperate with one another during disasters. If we provide evacuation, police, fire, and health support services to other cities, it sets us up to receive those services in our time of need. Remember how Dallas was getting all bitchy about handling our evacuees? Do you think that they'd be like that if they were on the coast?

I'd bet you that if Katrina had hit us instead, our people would've been packed into the Superdome and every spare hotel room in East Texas and Louisiana. We've probably got enough spare housing stock in central, north, northwest, and west Houston to be able to absorb a fair bit of our own evacuee population, but even then, the New Orleans MSA is about a quarter of our population and we were still overwhelmed with them. So I think that having friends is better than having enemies in these conditions.

Reliant Energy and Centerpoint similarly provide repair services to other coastal power companies when they get hit; it is good policy for them because one day, the Houston area will get hit. We'll need friends.

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Are we even talking about the same thing? I don't think so by your post.

Mayor White is out of touch with the crime spree in West Houston. And note, it's not just Southwest Houston anymore. It has expanded.

And as far as this:

I'd bet you that if Katrina had hit us instead, our people would've been packed into the Superdome and every spare hotel room in East Texas and Louisiana

Not this Texan. I'll live in a tent in my backyard before I go live in the Superdome with a bunch of poor arse bastards.

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Are we even talking about the same thing? I don't think so by your post.

Mayor White is out of touch with the crime spree in West Houston. And note, it's not just Southwest Houston anymore. It has expanded.

And as far as this:

Not this Texan. I'll live in a tent in my backyard before I go live in the Superdome with a bunch of poor arse bastards.

Yep. Not you. Not myself. Probably only a very very slim percentage of people who use HAIF. We just aren't the right demographic for that kind of thing.

So how is Mayor White out of touch?

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Thanks. Today I told my husband I"m tired of seeing this area on the news, for the wrong reasons. Saturday was the car wash murder, this morning we heard about the murder at Camden Park, then at lunch, Channel 11 had a segment about some guy robbing dollar stores, and the last store that was hit was the Dollar Tree at Westheimer and Wilcrest. This used to be a nice area and I felt safe here. Things have changed way too much for me in the last year.

My husband and I often talk about Mayor White being out of touch.

I did see all these stories you mentioned and wondered how it was out in Westchase. To be honest I rarely make it west of the west loop but remember it used to be a very nice place. Crime is on the increase in many areas around Houston.

I understand your comment on Mayor White being out of touch. The crime issue seems to be a thorn in his side at the moment. He continues to back the Chief even though crime is increasing. most members of the union consider the chief a poor leader. You must reevaluate your choices regularly and adjust accordingly. It seems like the Mayor isn't willing to do that because he's afraid the people will think less of him.

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Mayor White:

He's a good guy with far too many many irons in the fire.

I keep looking for the one White initiative taken from concept to completion.

He does not take crime and the crime lab problems seriously. He inherited them, of course.

Just like the next mayor will inherit all of White's half-executed initiatives. Red light cameras and red light syncorinization come to mind.

From Chief Hurt, who's first initiative was buying stun-guns, to his ever lasting defense of Carol Alvarado, he's just not making the grade.

And don't get me wrong. I like White.

I voted for him.

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I did see all these stories you mentioned and wondered how it was out in Westchase. To be honest I rarely make it west of the west loop but remember it used to be a very nice place. Crime is on the increase in many areas around Houston.

I understand your comment on Mayor White being out of touch. The crime issue seems to be a thorn in his side at the moment. He continues to back the Chief even though crime is increasing. most members of the union consider the chief a poor leader. You must reevaluate your choices regularly and adjust accordingly. It seems like the Mayor isn't willing to do that because he's afraid the people will think less of him.

We live in a small townhome complex, and there has been a couple of cars broken into in the last month or 2. It's usually very quiet here. It's the surrounding area that has more "action", especially the large apartment complexes. I still consider Westchase a pretty nice place, but it's not the same Westchase from 10 years ago. We recently inherited an older home in Hunters Creek, so we won't be here much longer.

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police just found a dead body at tanglewilde and ella lee. They are saying it was a murder in a home.

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police just found a dead body at tanglewilde and ella lee. They are saying it was a murder in a home.

More apartments.. Shocker.

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1. I'm going to quote a part of the Wikipedia article about Westchase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westchase%2C_Houston%2C_Texas) to show what its school boundaries are. Yes, Westchase is a commercial district, but every nook and cranny of it has townhomes or apartments:

"Most of Westchase, which is south of Westheimer and west of Gessner Road, is zoned to schools in Alief Independent School District, while the parts north of Westheimer and parts east of Gessner Road are zoned to the Houston Independent School District. While Westchase is primarily a commercial district, the district also includes apartments and townhomes with residents.

The school zoning for the Alief ISD portion is as follows:

* The portion inside Beltway 8 south of Westheimer and west of Gessner is zoned to Sneed Elementary School (Sneed Elementary is in the Westchase district), Budewig Intermediate School, and O'Donnell Middle School.

* The portion outside Beltway 8 north of the Westpark Tollway and south of Westheimer is zoned to Outley Elementary School, Budewig Intermediate School, and O'Donnell Middle School.

* The portion outside Beltway 8 south of the Westpark Tollway is zoned to Chancellor Elementary School (Bilingual students go to Youens Elementary School), Owens Intermediate School, and Alief Middle School.

* Westchase students in Alief ISD may attend Elsik, Hastings, and Taylor high schools, as high school assignments in Alief ISD are determined by a lottery.

The school zoning for the Houston ISD portion is as follows:

* Areas north of Westheimer and west of East Rivercrest are zoned to: Walnut Bend Elementary School, Paul Revere Middle School (Revere is located in Westchase) with West Briar Middle School as an option, and Westside High School.

* Areas north of Westheimer, east of East Rivercrest, and west of Gessner are zoned to: Emerson Elementary School, Paul Revere Middle School (with West Briar Middle School as an option) and Westside High School.

* Areas west of Gessner (whether north or south of Westheimer) are zoned to: Emerson Elementary School, Paul Revere Middle School, and Lee High School with Lamar High School and Westside High School as boundary transfer options.

"

2. Is Westchase and Briar Forest getting this stuff because of Alief?

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2. Is Westchase and Briar Forest getting this stuff because of Alief?

Yes and No.

No: Briarforest has its own problems with the apartment complexes at:

1. Wilcrest north of Briarforest

2. Briarforest east of Wilcrest

3. Hayes between Westeimer & Briarforest

3. Kirkwood @ Briarforest

All those apartment complexes are zoned for HISD, and are the reasons why there are problems along the Briar Forest corridor.

Yes: Westchase's problems stem from apartments being zoned to AISD.

Edited by Jeebus

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If the homeowners in Westchase truly cared about the future of their area, they'd be forming a coalition to hold all the apartment property managers accountable. They could probably single out about 4 or 5 main complexes that are responsible for most of the crimes in Westchase, and figure out some way to hold them accountable for the crime, although I don't know exactly how they'd do that. They should allow city officials to go to the complexes and do "resident checks" to find out exactly how apartments are being leased and who is living there that is not on a lease or not a resident of the United States. Also, you should not be allowed to rent an apartment unless you have proof of a steady job or self-employed with a legitimate source of income (no drug dealers), are a resident of the United States, and have no criminal background.

Then there's the proximity to Alief, and there's really nothing that can be done about that. Alief is a lost cause.

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Where are the homes in Westchase?

Alief's getting sucked into the New Chinatown. You can tell because the bilingual signage has spread to there.

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Yeah, but that's the only truly good area that surrounds Westchase. When an area bordering Piney Point village starts to have murders, that's when Westchase is really in trouble.

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