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All of the area listed is part of the Houston metro area if not part of the city and is all well to the west (including NW and SW) of the loop. Additionally, City Centre is within minutes of three of the major employment centers in the city (Memorial City, Westchase, and the Energy Corridor). Dismissing it as being "so far out" is just as inaccurate as calling it the "center of the city".

My opinion is that this is the most successful mixed-use urban development in Houston. Comments?

I hate to tell you this, but it IS far out.

My only real problem with CC is the fact that is isn't really "CONNECTED" to the street system, but more along the lines of its own little enclave that people have to drive to a fairly idiotic route to get to.

Midtown is a bit more successful as far as accessibility for those that come from outside the area.

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I hate to tell you this, but it IS far out.

My only real problem with CC is the fact that is isn't really "CONNECTED" to the street system, but more along the lines of its own little enclave that people have to drive to a fairly idiotic route to get to.

Midtown is a bit more successful as far as accessibility for those that come from outside the area.

I used to feel the same way, until I stated working on the beltway, and now work on I-10 inside the beltway.

There are so many office buildings and office parks withing 3 miles of there, it is a good location. Look at all the new retail that has sprouted up along I-10 between Wirt and 8 since 10 has been rebuilt. There is plenty of demand for retail and commercial in this part of town.

Its not inconvenient to get to at all. I can understand why most urbanistas would frown at it, I used to be the same way. Lord, It's outside the Loop. But I've learned that even if you choose to live someplace innner loop in a walkable community, if you're lucky enough to have a job and its located outside the loop, it's all for naught.

Plus.. another thing I've come to realize, 610 isn't a magical line and "suburbia" is relative. The old suburbs in the 610 to 8 zone is where you're gonna find all the great ranch homes of houston. I have lots of family and friends in the western 610 to 8 zone, and lots of them love the new CC.

New mixed-use development isn't only for urbanistas on their bicycles.

Even though midtown would be the more ideal place for a mixed use development from a transit-connectivity standpoint, who is going to shop there? Middle-class shoppers with money. I don't see dollar stores and fiestas going up in a primo new developments. I don't see 3rd ward contributing to the development's viability. Neartown, the Musuem district and the couple of thousand DT residences.. Thats it.. Contrast that to CC, surrounded 360 degrees by Spring Branch, Memorial, the Villages, and the Kirkwood/Dairy Ashford area, all by residents not afraid to drive a few miles to shop. CC is a developer's wet dream compared to Midtown.

PS. "Far out" is relative if you're on a brand spanking new freeway. It takes me longer to get from my home near the Menil to I-10 than it takes me to get from Shepherd exit on 10 to the beltway. The new 1-10 is dreamy.

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I hate to tell you this, but it IS far out.

My only real problem with CC is the fact that is isn't really "CONNECTED" to the street system, but more along the lines of its own little enclave that people have to drive to a fairly idiotic route to get to.

Midtown is a bit more successful as far as accessibility for those that come from outside the area.

Far out is entirely relative. You guys are looking at this from the perspective of being "inside the loop", and no disrespect intended, but the inside the loop population is a reasonably small percentage of the overall population of the Houston Metro Area and even of the City of Houston. The most recent estimate of the inside the loop population of Houston that I could find is 600,000. (I can't vouch for the accuracy of that number, but it appears to be in the ballpark). Assuming that number is at least reasonably correct, that makes the inside the loop population approx 26% of the population of the city and only about 10% of the population of the metro. The population density in the Memorial area is also comparable to the density of many areas inside the loop.

I also have difficulty accepting that it isn't connected. This complex is directly connected to Town & Country and there are no barriers to walking between the two centers. Not to mention that this is located at the intersection of two different highways.

This is a diverse city that does not have a single center point. Everywhere is far for most people.

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I used to feel the same way, until I stated working on the beltway, and now work on I-10 inside the beltway.

There are so many office buildings and office parks withing 3 miles of there, it is a good location. Look at all the new retail that has sprouted up along I-10 between Wirt and 8 since 10 has been rebuilt. There is plenty of demand for retail and commercial in this part of town.

Its not inconvenient to get to at all. I can understand why most urbanistas would frown at it, I used to be the same way. Lord, It's outside the Loop. But I've learned that even if you choose to live someplace innner loop in a walkable community, if you're lucky enough to have a job and its located outside the loop, it's all for naught.

Plus.. another thing I've come to realize, 610 isn't a magical line and "suburbia" is relative. The old suburbs in the 610 to 8 zone is where you're gonna find all the great ranch homes of houston. I have lots of family and friends in the western 610 to 8 zone, and lots of them love the new CC.

New mixed-use development isn't only for urbanistas on their bicycles.

Even though midtown would be the more ideal place for a mixed use development from a transit-connectivity standpoint, who is going to shop there? Middle-class shoppers with money. I don't see dollar stores and fiestas going up in a primo new developments. I don't see 3rd ward contributing to the development's viability. Neartown, the Musuem district and the couple of thousand DT residences.. Thats it.. Contrast that to CC, surrounded 360 degrees by Spring Branch, Memorial, the Villages, and the Kirkwood/Dairy Ashford area, all by residents not afraid to drive a few miles to shop. CC is a developer's wet dream compared to Midtown.

PS. "Far out" is relative if you're on a brand spanking new freeway. It takes me longer to get from my home near the Menil to I-10 than it takes me to get from Shepherd exit on 10 to the beltway. The new 1-10 is dreamy.

It's not a matter of keeping out dollar stores, it's to make a "neighborhood" of goods and services that people will need on a day to day basis that is easily accessible to those that don't rely on a car to get there.

A good example is (was?) 66th at Canal/Harrisburg. Within a fairly short distance, you can do grocery shopping, go to a barber, get fresh bread, go to a laundrymat, and get nails done.

City Center is a place is for a more high end lifestyle. I'm not knocking that, but I think that if you take that development and drop it on Bellaire, westheimer, or even someplace in midtown, it would spur even further development to match their current layout and homes would spring up trying to get closer to participate in that lifestyle.

As far as I see it, it's a high end oasis separated by an ocean of single family homes and freeways.

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It's not a matter of keeping out dollar stores, it's to make a "neighborhood" of goods and services that people will need on a day to day basis that is easily accessible to those that don't rely on a car to get there.

A good example is (was?) 66th at Canal/Harrisburg. Within a fairly short distance, you can do grocery shopping, go to a barber, get fresh bread, go to a laundrymat, and get nails done.

City Center is a place is for a more high end lifestyle. I'm not knocking that, but I think that if you take that development and drop it on Bellaire, westheimer, or even someplace in midtown, it would spur even further development to match their current layout and homes would spring up trying to get closer to participate in that lifestyle.

As far as I see it, it's a high end oasis separated by an ocean of single family homes and freeways.

When you consider that City Centre basically forms the north end of Town & Country, where there is a Randall's, Barnes & Noble, numerous restaurants of varying levels from Quizno's and James Coney Island on up, numerous other stores, probably including hair stylsts, etc., plus it's what, maybe a block or two from I-10 and other restaurants, etc. I kind of envy that ocean of single family homes that are within easy walking and biking distance of it. When you also consider that the Terry Hershey Park trail dead ends a few blocks south of Town & Country and that the trail serves like a hike & bike highway all the way out to Katy, I'd say you've got a pretty decent lifestyle already. You don't have to be inside the loop to have what passes for an urban lifestyle here.

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It's not a matter of keeping out dollar stores, it's to make a "neighborhood" of goods and services that people will need on a day to day basis that is easily accessible to those that don't rely on a car to get there.

Not to a developer it isn't. They don't slap down mixed-use projects for the fun of it or out of the goodness of their hearts.

They do it to make money.

What you describe is important.. but it's not going in a brand new mixed-use development.

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When you consider that City Centre basically forms the north end of Town & Country, where there is a Randall's, Barnes & Noble, numerous restaurants of varying levels from Quizno's and James Coney Island on up, numerous other stores, probably including hair stylsts, etc., plus it's what, maybe a block or two from I-10 and other restaurants, etc. I kind of envy that ocean of single family homes that are within easy walking and biking distance of it. When you also consider that the Terry Hershey Park trail dead ends a few blocks south of Town & Country and that the trail serves like a hike & bike highway all the way out to Katy, I'd say you've got a pretty decent lifestyle already. You don't have to be inside the loop to have what passes for an urban lifestyle here.

Correct.

I live close to CityCentre and walk to the gorcery store a lot. I walk to the bus stop to get to work downtown. I really could live without a car in this area. There have been times when I go 5 days without driving. I use the car mostly on weekends.

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Correct.

I live close to CityCentre and walk to the gorcery store a lot. I walk to the bus stop to get to work downtown. I really could live without a car in this area. There have been times when I go 5 days without driving. I use the car mostly on weekends.

Interesting.

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On a somewhat related note with regards to my move to Long Beach (I am working and have temp living by City Hall, in downtown). Just because you build something very nice and urban doesn't mean that all your urban problems will away and consumers will leave their comfortable areas to the new place (still urban areas). The development here is geared for urban professionals and looks nice/inviting to me but you've got to be very young or adventurous to live just 4 or 6 blocks north of the beach in some areas (where the place is). This is a nice looking, mixed use area I am referring to but deceiving (from what I have been told) and still attract problems/crime. Maybe the co-workers comments were a bit off but they have some basis.

Just thought I'd share a somewhat related impression on some issues of putting some of these of developments in an urban, developing area and it's downside. Of course this has some to do with economic slowdown over here and in general.

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http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/03-04-11-the-weather-isnt-the-only-thing-heating-up-in-houston-citycentre-continues-to-explode/

New article gives details of residential occupancy rates at CityCentre

The Domain, a 370-unit luxury apartment complex that anchors the southeast corner of the complex, is 97 percent leased. Ninety four percent of the 250 lofts have been leased, four of the five upscale brownstones have been sold, and three more are under construction, with 33 more planned.

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They broke ground on the new brownstones a few weeks ago. Whereas the sign outside the complex used to list them from the $800s, it now lists them from the $600s. I still can't imagine buying a place with a view of the post office parking lot for that kind of money, but I suppose that price is competitive with single-family homes of comparable square footage in the area.

The idea that City Centre is far out is ludicrous. It's 15 miles from downtown, which in Houston terms is not that great a distance. It's still well within the city limits. At 9 a.m., it takes me 20 minutes or less to drive from Kimberley at the Beltway to downtown. And it's not even like the area was the middle of nowhere up until only recent times. Many of the surrounding neighborhoods were built in the late '50s. Maybe for people who moved here from much denser Northeastern cities, anything outside the Loop seems like BFE, but having lived most of my life in Houston, hearing that part of town described as far out sounds strange.

As for the convenience of being able to shop, make appointments, eat out, etc. in the area, I'll take the convenience of the Memorial and I-10 corridors over more crowded, urbanized areas inside the Loop or anywhere else.

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The idea that City Centre is far out is ludicrous. It's 15 miles from downtown, which in Houston terms is not that great a distance. It's still well within the city limits. At 9 a.m., it takes me 20 minutes or less to drive from Kimberley at the Beltway to downtown. And it's not even like the area was the middle of nowhere up until only recent times. Many of the surrounding neighborhoods were built in the late '50s.

The location is seriously key. You have close proximity to Westchase and the Energy Corridor and are less than 15 miles away from DT and Uptown area.

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Negotiations for a new (much needed) grocery store and another restaurant most likely. I' very impressed how in 2 years (roundabout) they drew a residence population of 1,200 yet at the same time saddened how our downtown only has slightly double that number with 2,500 residences.

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/blog/2011/03/citycentre-grocer-to-help-feed-masses.html

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Negotiations for a new (much needed) grocery store and another restaurant most likely. I' very impressed how in 2 years (roundabout) they drew a residence population of 1,200 yet at the same time saddened how our downtown only has slightly double that number with 2,500 residences.

http://www.bizjourna...eed-masses.html

I don't know about much needed since there's a Randall's within easy walking distance. I guess there might be a niche there for an upscale or specialty grocer. How many sqft are they talking about?

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Still haven't been there and don't feel like I am missing out on anything. It might be named CityCentre, but it isn't a destination for anyone other than Westsiders and area office workers. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Still haven't been there and don't feel like I am missing out on anything. It might be named CityCentre, but it isn't a destination for anyone other than Westsiders and area office workers. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

perhaps it's nothing special to ITLers (which i consider myself as well) but CityCentre is incredibly popular and successful... it doesnt need ITLers at all, in fact, as the population it pulls from is both wealthy enough and abundant enough that pulling people from the "true" geogrpahical city center is of no importance. and hell, it is technically the demogrpahic center of the city anyways... being a destination for westsiders and office workers in the area is coup for the developers.

office building 3 will be under way soon and i wouldn't be surprised at all if they went forward with #4 soon after. the location is highly desirable to office tenants in the energy corridor/westchase areas.

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Was in City Centre a few weeks ago and from what I saw I honestly felt a little disappointed. Don't get me wrong, the design, concept and visual appeal are outstanding and top notch but it feels like something is missing. It needs more retail as the majority of tenants that I noticed are restaurants. It would have been nice to see something more along the lines of The Domain in Austin mixed with high end retail. Hopefully with time this center will evolve to a more diverse tenant roster much like its neighbor, Town & Country Village, which I find to be more appealing.

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I don't know about much needed since there's a Randall's within easy walking distance. I guess there might be a niche there for an upscale or specialty grocer. How many sqft are they talking about?

Could be a good location for another Whole Foods store. Area demographics is a definite fit.

Or if they play their cards right maybe they can get a Super-Walmart. :rolleyes:

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Negotiations for a new (much needed) grocery store and another restaurant most likely. I' very impressed how in 2 years (roundabout) they drew a residence population of 1,200 yet at the same time saddened how our downtown only has slightly double that number with 2,500 residences.

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/blog/2011/03/citycentre-grocer-to-help-feed-masses.html

Not sure, but you seem to be comparing residents to residences. According to the article, City Centre has 1200 residents which you compare unfavorably to 2,500 downtown residences.

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Was in City Centre a few weeks ago and from what I saw I honestly felt a little disappointed. Don't get me wrong, the design, concept and visual appeal are outstanding and top notch but it feels like something is missing. It needs more retail as the majority of tenants that I noticed are restaurants. It would have been nice to see something more along the lines of The Domain in Austin mixed with high end retail. Hopefully with time this center will evolve to a more diverse tenant roster much like its neighbor, Town & Country Village, which I find to be more appealing.

Isn't that pretty much what the bizjournal article implied? They're opening one more restaurant and "that will be the last one to open for a long time". Since they have 35% of their space still open, I would think that would imply more retail going in.

Retail openings have been slow everywhere.

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It's curious to me why CityCentre is doing so well and West Ave is taking off so slowly. Is it just timing? Does WestAve have higher rents?

The location + office angle of CityCentre make it much more of a slam dunk. West Ave is in the middle of one giant mixed use (Upper Kirby/River Oaks) with plenty of retail/restaurant options. CityCentre brought mixed use to a largely wealthy residential area.

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It's curious to me why CityCentre is doing so well and West Ave is taking off so slowly. Is it just timing? Does WestAve have higher rents?

you're kind of comparing apples to oranges.

the scope of citycentre is much greater than that of west ave, seeing as though it has multiple housing options, office components, a hotel and retail (amongst other components). the residential component of west ave has done tremendous, somewhere around 95% leased i believe. the retail components at both locations have lagged, which says a lot more about the retail market in general than anything specific about either location. besides, tootsies was always going to be the harbinger for west ave... many of the retail tenants were waiting for them to sign before they committed. once they did, several others announced.

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http://blog.chron.com/primeproperty/2011/09/aggie-outpost-headed-for-west-houston/

Just an update:

"A&M's Mays Business School is opening a new satellite classroom for its Professional MBA program in the CityCentre development in west Houston.

The university leased about 24,000 square feet in a new office building under construction in the 37-acre mixed-use development that replaced Town & Country Mall. Classes will begin in in the fall of 2012, shortly after the building opens."

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What is the deal with all the vacant spaces at city centre? There are a few along the main street but the side street is mostly empty. Are they waiting to lease it or are they having a hard time?

Agreed storefronts are lacking but parking is at capacity already. After new garage opens any day now, other shops should open next year. City Center now has Dyrden Cremps Men's clothing just open to go with J Crew. So the rents call from a smaller pool of tenants. Occupancy is flat in the Lofts at City Center as well, as so far as immediate move in available.

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This one is not built, yet, right? By its description I guess this would be north the current development. But I'm curious if this is even the final product if there is one because I thought Midway was using a different architect.

http://www.munozalbi...nter-north.html

not familiar with that one, could be an old rendering or just a proposal. that said there are two additional buildings proposed just south of citycentre where retail currently exists - one 10 stories and the other 6. supposedly phase I will start spec... not sure how accurate that is though. not midway, btw.

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This building was basically going to be a mirror image of the one next door, right?  I thought that's what I saw in the rendering, however, looks like there are some more columns going up on top which would make it taller than the Mays Business School building.

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CityCentre really seems to be a success, I wish more developers would take not of what Midway did with this project and start developing more properties like this especially closer in the city.

Hopefully Midway can do the same thing to Green street.

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How much more land (if any) is available to further expand this development?  Is it going to continue creeping north?  Or is that owned by someone else?

 

In the article it said that the Luby's was the last remaining piece of property Midway owned.  If they wanted to creep north they would have to buy those old town and country office buildings or that strip mall behind the Sheraton Four Points.  As far as I know those are all leased.

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In the article it said that the Luby's was the last remaining piece of property Midway owned. If they wanted to creep north they would have to buy those old town and country office buildings or that strip mall behind the Sheraton Four Points. As far as I know those are all leased.

As busy as City Centre is, I'll bet we see redevelopment of those properties, especially the strip mall, in the near future. City Center is hemmed in on the East, West and South sides unless they can redevelop the land the Country Playhouse is sitting on directly South. Only question is will the redevelopment be by the same developers or a different group.

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As busy as City Centre is, I'll bet we see redevelopment of those properties, especially the strip mall, in the near future. City Center is hemmed in on the East, West and South sides unless they can redevelop the land the Country Playhouse is sitting on directly South. Only question is will the redevelopment be by the same developers or a different group.

 

And so it begins...

 

From the Chronicle... 

 

The owners of Town & Country Village are planning to add some tall buildings to the sprawling low-rise shopping center on the west side of Houston.

 

Moody Rambin said it will start construction in September on a 10-story office building with 250,000 square feet of high-end office space and a 1,390-car parking garage. The building will go up at Town & Country Boulevard at Queensbury Lane.

 

Plans for the development, to be called Town Centre, are to follow the first building with a second containing six stories and 100,000 square feet.

The first new building, Town Centre I, is scheduled to open in the fourth quarter of next year.

 

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