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I agree with you. Why on earth would I journey that far without saying "Eff it, might as well go to San Antonio!!". What's in city centRe? Amegy bank? Anthroplogie? I think I'll pass.

If you don't live near it then there really is no reason for you to go there. It's very nice for the people that live nearby though.

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Somewhat related:

Pelada is coming to Houston!

When: May 19, 2010 @ 7:30 p.m.

Where: Studio Movie Grill @ CityCentre

Address: 805 Town and Country Lane, Houston, Texas 77024

You can purchase tickets in advance here for $10 each.

This is a great opportunity to see the movie and help the filmmakers raise much needed funds to complete post-production before the World Cup kicks off.

There will also be a Q&A with the director, Ryan White, immediately following the screening.

More info: http://blogs.chron.c...t_the_dire.html

The new documentary Pelada (Brazilian slang for a pick-up soccer game) inspired abundant positive reviews following its world premiere at the SXSW Film Festival in Austin back in March. How about this quote from Sports Illustrated: "a marvelous new soccer documentary...what elevates Pelada from a cute highlight travelogue to something more resonant is the filmmakers' ability to find compelling stories and earn the trust of their interview subjects…the result is a film that combines eye-popping cinematography with human stories."
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I agree with you. Why on earth would I journey that far without saying "Eff it, might as well go to San Antonio!!". What's in city centRe? Amegy bank? Anthroplogie? I think I'll pass.

Heh. At least you can put forth the tiniest bit of effort and google City Centre and learn what they actually have before just assuming things and bashing it.

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My experience of City Centre:

Me and the girlfriend had a Thursday and Friday off work a few months ago and were looking for a place around Houston for a night away. Found that City Centre had good specials and decided to book there at Hotel Sorella. Very nice hotel and good a discount on it so immediately that was a plus. Walked over to Escalantes and had some decent Tex Mex and good ritas/drinks. It was a bit of a walk as I planned on not using my car once we got there. There area immediately surrounding the hotel was very walkable and busy for a Thursday all Thursday late afternoon and evening. Had drinks at the many bars near and in the hotel and ate of RA (sushi bar). It was definitely a great evening and you could spend a whole evening at City Centre. With that said, it was more upscale than I usually prefer but it was a good change from going to my usual places. It had one of the most diverse mixes of people I've encountered in Houston: racially, economically, and age.

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Spending more and more time at CityCentre and am really amazed on how busy it can get during the week. We were there last night and were commenting on how it looked like a weekend - patios at Ra, Yard House and Brio were full... plenty of people at Straits... people hanging out at Monnalisa... kids running in the plaza and a surprising amount of car and foot traffic. The permanent Ruggles Green sign is up and we also spotted this - http://www.floraandmuse.com/ will be opening. Cyclone Anaya's is coming along as is McCormick & Shmick's (not part of City Centre but across the street from Eddie V's).

Nice!

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My wife and I go to Lifetime Fitness 5 days a week. I check out the crowds every time we're there. It seems to be getting more and more crowded every week. I'd like to go to Yard House this Friday but we probably won't because of the long wait.

We went to the dog thing last weekend and it was packed. There were a bunch of retrievers swimming in the courtyard fountain. They had staff with scoopers cleaning up after the dogs.

I hadn't heard about Flora and Muse yet. While searching for info on it I came across this article that I don't think has been linked here before.

http://houston.modernluxury.com/style/urbane-planning-citycentre

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Niche, someone...do yall think the success of this place in Houston will encourage lenders to go forward with other projects similar to this like Regent Square, Oaks District and BLVD? I would think so, at least to a certain extent.

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Niche, someone...do yall think the success of this place in Houston will encourage lenders to go forward with other projects similar to this like Regent Square, Oaks District and BLVD? I would think so, at least to a certain extent.

The success of this place also speaks to the viability of this type of project in a suburban area.

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I think it might work out in the woodlands and sugarland. Maybe call them town centers?

lol

Has anyone been to both recently? Is Sugarland's boomin as much as TW?

The only thing about these places is that they are high-end. How much high-end do we have to go around?

They don't build these type of places for the middle and lower income areas and include things like dry cleaners, super-cuts and jo-anns fabrics. You can only wear so much clothes at one time! haha

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Has anyone been to both recently? Is Sugarland's boomin as much as TW?

The only thing about these places is that they are high-end. How much high-end do we have to go around?

They don't build these type of places for the middle and lower income areas and include things like dry cleaners, super-cuts and jo-anns fabrics. You can only wear so much clothes at one time! haha

Agreed, keep in mind folks this is the demographic center of Houston and the highest earning zip code in Texas (and likely the south). This won't fly just anywhere.

I love that people call this the burb's. I live in Spring Branch (obviously Spring Shadows) and I work in the Galleria, I can drive to work in 12 minutes in the morning. It takes about 15 minutes to get to downtown. Outside the Loop isn't the burbs anymore, it's the city. It's the demographic center of the city, it's memorial, it's the best school district in the city. Like it or lump it, it's Houston and in 10 years when it has many more high-rises no-one will think any differently

Gessner looks like a dump north of I-10 but mark my words it's changing fast. Spring Shadows is filled with 80 year olds who've been dropping like flies and every time they get replaced but very successful 30-somethings with kids like myself. I've seen more luxury vehicles on Gessner than pick-ups recently and that's unusual. We've had 2 attorneys move into our cull-de-sac this year. Our neighborhood is very family friendly, I know the names of everyone on our street and they know me, we exchange emails and look out for each other. The changes I've seen in just 4 years are crazy. Especially around Bunker Hill. Westview is now littered with HUGE new homes, and every day there is another one added. Money's run out of room south of I-10 and has now crossed the freeway. My home value, even in this economy, has gone up nearly 60k in 3 years (I had it appraised to re-finance). The 35 story building you all hate so much brought 35 stories of professionals to the area who want to live close to work as has the new C-Mex building. We bid on a house on Westview, 1600 square feet listed at 140k, we offered 162k, it sold for 200k. The comps can't even keep up.

Buy now, mark my words. The branding in this area expands every day (street signs, pavers, 12 new (matching) schools, obilesks, gateway markers, flowers) and when light rail, City Center expansion north of I-10, Memorial City expansion north of I-10, and Gessner re-build happens you'll wish you did.

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Niche, someone...do yall think the success of this place in Houston will encourage lenders to go forward with other projects similar to this like Regent Square, Oaks District and BLVD? I would think so, at least to a certain extent.

Sure, if their location is as optimal as this one. But it's not. See: waterlights district.

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Sure, if their location is as optimal as this one. But it's not. See: waterlights district.

I think that's kinda comparing apples to oranges. Waterlights Districs is in the middle of nowhere and the three I listed are inside or on the loop, on the west side of town.

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There is no future in commercial real estate until the financial crisis works itself out.

Right. I was not implying it would be going up anytime soon. It just seemed weird to keep one little parcel undeveloped and it looks perfect for a mid rise condo/apt building.

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Right. I was not implying it would be going up anytime soon. It just seemed weird to keep one little parcel undeveloped and it looks perfect for a mid rise condo/apt building.

The plan is for another mid-rise but, yeah, it may be a while. I have no doubt that it will eventually happen. The places is primarily leased with restaurants and it gets packed in the evenings. Ruggles Green should open any day now and I think Cyclone Anaya's is close.

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The plan is for another mid-rise but, yeah, it may be a while. I have no doubt that it will eventually happen. The places is primarily leased with restaurants and it gets packed in the evenings. Ruggles Green should open any day now and I think Cyclone Anaya's is close.

Do you know that by word of mouth or a document online? If online, I'd like to take a look at it. I haven't been able to find anything for myself. None of the site plans I've seen even acknowledge the space is even there.

Thanks

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At some point I expect that a highrise will make sense, but I wonder how the Domain apartments are leasing so far. It appears the restaurants, LifeTime, and Studio Movie Grill are doing very well, but I haven't heard about the rental properties. Real estate in the area thrives because of the location and schools, but I wonder if renters will pay the premium to be in City Centre. Personally, I think twenty somethings without kids will want to live in the city centre complex for the location and amenities, but I haven't been a twenty something without kids for a while :)

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At some point I expect that a highrise will make sense, but I wonder how the Domain apartments are leasing so far. It appears the restaurants, LifeTime, and Studio Movie Grill are doing very well, but I haven't heard about the rental properties. Real estate in the area thrives because of the location and schools, but I wonder if renters will pay the premium to be in City Centre. Personally, I think twenty somethings without kids will want to live in the city centre complex for the location and amenities, but I haven't been a twenty something without kids for a while :)

I also wonder how soon (10-15 years?) they'll tear down the strip centers to the south and expand city centre?

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Town and Country has been updated quite a bit recently. They just added about 100k square feet. Town & Country and Citycentre are totally separate shopping centers owned by different companies. The fact that Citycentre is doing so well seems to be helping T&C. I was there on the Fourth of July and there was foot traffic all through T&C, it's probably here to stay as is for a long time.

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I heard they would most likely expand north of I-10 near the college first and simply update Town & Country to the south.

Oh yeah, I think someone mentioned that in this thread somewhere?

That's not a bad idea I guess. I sort of wish they'd just expand to the south to create more continuity, but I guess two city centres flanking I-10 would not be so bad either. But I wonder if they did expand on the other side of I-10 if that would create competition between the two whereas a southern expansion would compliment the existing one? What do you think?

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Yeah, T&C itself actually constructed some more "dense" retail along the border with CC, and it seems to help bring the two together.

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It really wouldn't make sense for Midway to expand north of I-10. They might as well go tap into a completely new market if they were to do that.

I'm sure if they have thought of anything it would be acquire the land between CityCentre and I-10, tear down those Class C office buildings and redevelop that land and make it all contiguous with the CityCentre that exists today.

That is probably decades from happening, though. CityCentre does seem to be a success, and from what I've heard Midway is looking into other submarkets around town to redevelop, which is exciting considering the kind of product they delivered with CityCentre.

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What I heard was that eventually it would find it's way to nearly Memorial City mall and spread north of I-10. The whole area would hope to provide pedestrian friendly modes of access so that cars would not be needed beyond arrival.

Are they going to put a pedestrian bridge over the I-10 Beltway interchange?

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I'm sure if they have thought of anything it would be acquire the land between CityCentre and I-10, tear down those Class C office buildings and redevelop that land and make it all contiguous with the CityCentre that exists today.

I think that is a good idea, too and may be an even better idea than the other side of I-10 and just to the south of it. However, I'm not sure it would be decades before they did that, my guess is 10-13 years ;P . Of course it might depend if they truly are looking into other submarkets. Hopefully they're looking inside the loop. I'm not sure of any other places this could be done outside of it, at least on this scale.

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Isn't there a foot/bike path that goes under the beltway/I-10 interchange? I thought I saw it on the north side at least, I'm not sure if you can get to all 4 corners on it. Obviously that might involve crossing feeder roads which isn't ideal. The bayou trails go under the beltway already.

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Isn't there a foot/bike path that goes under the beltway/I-10 interchange? I thought I saw it on the north side at least, I'm not sure if you can get to all 4 corners on it. Obviously that might involve crossing feeder roads which isn't ideal. The bayou trails go under the beltway already.

I'll check that out the next time I'm on my bike over that way and let you know.

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With four stores opening this month and three more coming online by the end of the year, it’s easy to miss something.

We chatted with Midway leasing director Suzanne Anderson flanked by Weingarten’s Patrick Manchi and Paradigm’s Bill Farris. She tells us it’s a critical time during which everyone is trying to find leases and open by year-end. A few have locked in space including Ruggles Green (opened last week), and Flora & Muse, Cyclone Anaya’s, and Republic of Couture open late August/early September. The Tasting Room, Red Mango (which Bill represents), and Paul Carter Jewels also open before Jan. 1. Suzanne says there are lots of successful restaurants in the center now, so Midway’s focusing on bringing in fashion and retail groups, and has deals working with national and unique concepts.

She tells us 179k SF of the total 400k SF are still available, putting the development slightly over 50% occupancy. One office building is full and the other is at 80%, plus Midway plans to soon start yet another, with eight stories and 250k SF. The residential components are doing well, too, with about 80% occupancy at both the Lofts and Domain.

http://www.bisnow.com/houston_commercial_real_estate_news_story.php?p=9684

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The two office buildings in CityCentre are full and Midway is planning on starting another office building soon, Brinsden says. That building, expected to be eight stories and 250,000 square feet, will be located west of the Hotel Sorella.

http://culturemap.com/newsdetail/08-01-10-mixed-use/

I'm pretty sure this building was in the original plans so probably nothing new.

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Now a Biz Journal article:

CityCentre Three will feature two six-story office buildings with a total of 250,000 square feet of space, including 33,000 square feet of ground level retail space. The development site is north of Hotel Sorella.

Brad Freels, chairman and CEO of Midway, says initial plans called for one nine-story building with 250,000 square feet, but the decision was made to split it into two facilities.

Approximately 30 percent to 40 percent of the space will need to be leased before construction begins.

“We’re not planning to put a shovel in the ground tomorrow,” says Freels.

“The office is more successful because of the environment,” he says.

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http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2010/09/20/daily7.html

Read more: Midway eyes CityCentre Three - Houston Business Journal

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I spent some time at City Centre this weekend. Really has a great feel to it and still has a lot of available ground floor retail. It's only going to get better now that the economy is showing some signs of recovery.

I've been visiting CC at least once a month since it opened, and it's things opening up.

The only thing that bothers me at this point is that it seems to be very dining oriented, with hardly any retail shops.

From their website under the dining and shopping tab:

17 dining establishments

7 shopping establishments

Seems sorta 1 sided... also not a single mens clothing store.

Maybe because Memorial City mall is right around the corner?

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