Historic Houston Roads

[Lloyd-TX]

One renamed Houston road comes to mind . . .

Southpark Boulevard was renamed Martin Luther King Boulevard. Can't recall the date when it was renamed, but I'm guessing sometime in the early 70's.

[Subdude]

There was a topic a while back about a long closed road - Old Main Street Loop Road.

[house567]

I believe "Outer Belt" became "MacGregor" became "Cambridge" next to Memorial Hermann Hosp in the TMC over the last decade. Am I right?

[IronTiger]

Oh hey, I just remembered I had a 1976 atlas showing Houston street names. A subdivision road in Spring Valley was obliterated for the I-10 expansion was called Bunningham Rd. (it's still on Google Maps as the frontage road title).

Jackrabbit Lane was the informal name for FM 1960.

The one I was thinking of the first post is still Horse & Hahl Road (it was just truncated).

Interestingly, within a mile, there was a private airfield (Josey Ranch...go to Cottage Cypress Road in Houston and go back to '78).

[Firebird65]

There's been a topic on this before - but that's OK, it's an interesting topic.

Veterans Memorial used to be Stuebener Airline, meaning Stuebner Airline ran from the North Freeway all the way to near the county line. Now it's just from FM 1960 north.

Airline used to be East Montgomery Road. It also used to be U.S. Highway 75 eons ago, until that designation was switched to North Shepherd.

Aldine-Bender west of the Hardy Toll Road used to once be called just Aldine Road, as it was the road that went to Aldine from U.S. 75. Aldine-Bender was the road that went from Aldine to U.S. 59.

West Mount Houston west of I-45 used to be called Airline Link Road.

Sweetwater Drive in North Houston used to be called Hacker Road.

Not a complete name change, but I remember when I was a kid the exit signs for Little York on the North Freeway said Little York School Road. Anyone know what that was about?

Out west, near where I live now, Harwin used to be called Alief-Houston Road (some machine shop still has a sign out front with that street name).

Part of Briar Forest from Dairy Ashford to Highway 6 was called Goar Road (there's still a tiny sliver of Goar left just north of a curve on Briar Forest).

Not as much a name change as a complete replacement, the West Belt was Roark Road before the West Belt was built.

Not sure if this is still the case, or if anything official ever happened changing or ending this, but parts of FM 1960 and Highway 6 used to have differing names, depending on what part you were on. Maybe the names are still used, I don't know. East of the Hardy Toll Road, FM 1960 was Humble-Westfield Road. Then it became Humble-Atascosita Road east of U.S. 59. The part where FM 1960 crosses I-45 was once called Bammel-Westfield; another part was Jackrabbit Road to U.S. 290. Highway 6 south to I-10 was once called Addicks-Satsuma Road.

[JLWM8609]

I believe "Outer Belt" became "MacGregor" became "Cambridge" next to Memorial Hermann Hosp in the TMC over the last decade. Am I right?

The Outer Belt to MacGregor name change came about in the 70s or 80s. The change from MacGregor to Cambridge occurred when the new bridge opened last year.

[kylejack]

The one I was thinking of the first post is still Horse & Hahl Road (it was just truncated).

Interestingly, within a mile, there was a private airfield (Josey Ranch...go to Cottage Cypress Road in Houston and go back to '78).

House and Hahl Road. My friends and I used to go out there to watch meteor showers because it was extremely dark without going too far into the country. It was a pretty good place for my teenage sexcapades too because you could see cars coming from a long way off. It still exists but some of it was replaced by that neighborhood, and there's more light pollution out there now.

[IronTiger]

Yeah, House & Hahl still does technically exist, but it was partially cut off by Bridgelands Lake Rd.

(Google Maps shows H&H going south east of Bridgelands Lake, but that's always been a private dirt path).

Spencer Rd. was rerouted sometime in the 2000s to better line up with 290 (and also eliminate the main railroad crossing)

Edited December 30, 2010 by IronTiger

[FIREhat]

Yes, Bissonnet west of Edloe was Richmond Road and Westpark was Old Richmond Road.

There is one one-block-long street in Southside Place that changes names every year. The parks association auctions off a year's naming rights to the highest bidder for fundraising. It's the street on the east side of the park.

A number of streets in Baytown have been closed by expansion from the Exxon refinery, including San Jacinto, Brunner, Baytown Avenue, and a few others near the ends of Market Street and Bayway Drive. The Baytown Nature Center also has a ton of old roads, most overgrown, from when there was a neighborhood there. Other renamed Baytown streets I can think of:

-Park Street used to be Wooster-Cedar Bayou Road

-ML Wismer used to be South Main Extension

-Avenue J and Harkins Street were both covered over by 146.

Edited January 18, 2011 by FIREhat

[IronTiger]

There was a subdivision called "Lamar Weslayan" near current-day Westpark/Edloe that was built in the 1950s and demolished for Southwest Freeway. It can be seen on the 1950s Google Earth image, and talked about in the book Houston Freeways. Most of the remaining subdivision was demolished soon after for office buildings, and only a small portion exists. One street was Norfolk Street, which still mostly exists.

[samagon]

Can't remember the new name, but there used to be a road between westheimer and alief clodine called old westheimer.

Just checked Google maps, it's called west Houston center.

[Sharpstown Bill]

Can't remember the new name, but there used to be a road between westheimer and alief clodine called old westheimer.

Just checked Google maps, it's called west Houston center.

I remember the old general store & barber shop that used to be on Old Westheimer --I'm sure thats gone now!

[TexasFreeway.com]

TX-6 from I-10 to US-290 was FM-1960. For the most part FM-359 from US-90A to Hempstead was TX-6. (Info verified by TxDOT highway designation database)

[sinister1]

West Montgomery Road has always been West Montgomery Road, going from the Shepherd/Tidwell intersection to western Montgomery County. The state also designated this road as F.M. 149.

What is today's West Mount Houston Road was originally called Airline Link Road and went from West Montgomery Road to Steubner-Airline. In 1956, the state extended Airline Link Road from Stuebner Airline to U.S. 75 (the predecessor to the North Freeway) and designated the road as F.M. 2430 from U.S. 75 to West Montgomery Road.

In 1960, the state realigned FM 149 to deviate from West Montgomery Road at the Airline Link intersection and then proceed to U.S. 75 over the former F.M. 2430. Airline Link Road was also renamed West Mount Houston Road. The remainder of West Montgomery from West Mount Houston south to Shepherd/Tidwell was then given the designation F.M. 2430 (the former designation of Airline-Link).

In 1963, West Mount Houston Road was extended from the new North Freeway over Halls Bayou to Airline Drive.

West Mount Houston and East Mount Houston never meet and probably never will. East Mount Houston actually passes through the Mount Houston area mentioned by isuredid. West Mount Houston never comes close to it.

In case you're wondering if there is an East Mongomery Road, the answer to that is yes. Fulton was East Montgomery Road until it hit Airline and then East Montgomery continued up Airline from that point.

Actually Old maps show West Montgomery Road going way past the Shepard/Tidwell intersection area. It ran from the banks of Buffalo Bayou where the University of Houston sits now and ran the route that North Main runs now. North Main now ends on West Whitney St. I'm not sure if it use to continue to run to where West Montgomery sits now. Does anyone know?

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=whitney+st.+houston&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Whitney+St,+Houston,+TX&gl=us&ei=XheyTcO0DYnc0QHjjqnoCA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBoQ8gEwAA

[Firebird65]

Actually Old maps show West Montgomery Road going way past the Shepard/Tidwell intersection area. It ran from the banks of Buffalo Bayou where the University of Houston sits now and ran the route that North Main runs now. North Main now ends on West Whitney St. I'm not sure if it use to continue to run to where West Montgomery sits now. Does anyone know?

West (and East) Montgomery was a rather informal name. Airline was also known as East Montgomery after it joined up with Fulton going north. Going south, East Montgomery followed Fulton to downtown.

As for West Montgomery, it followed Yale after meeting with Tidwell, down to Whitney and then a dogleg over to Main where it went to downtown.

http://www.texasfreeway.com/houston/historic/road_maps/images/1955_houston_humble_highres.jpg

I believe that once you got into "town"... that is, you passed Tidwell, neither of those designations were really used, other than on maps. As far as East Montgomery Road, I don't really see any references to it in phone books after the 1930s. As far as West Montgomery Road... if you were on North Main, I don't think anyone other than the mapmaker called it West Montgomery. It was more of a route name, if I understand it correctly. One road was the way to eastern Montgomery County, the other was the way to western Montgomery County. That's the way I've interpreted it. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me.

Here's a few more maps. They're pretty inconclusive:

1913:

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/maps/images/map0435.jpg

1935:

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/maps/images/map0436.jpg

Edited April 23, 2011 by Firebird65

[sinister1]

Actually Old maps show West Montgomery Road going way past the Shepard/Tidwell intersection area. It ran from the banks of Buffalo Bayou where the University of Houston sits now and ran the route that North Main runs now. North Main now ends on West Whitney St. I'm not sure if it use to continue to run to where West Montgomery sits now. Does anyone know?

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=whitney+st.+houston&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Whitney+St,+Houston,+TX&gl=us&ei=XheyTcO0DYnc0QHjjqnoCA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBoQ8gEwAA

http://www.box.net/shared/dinisgvl6j

This 1920 Map of Houston shows Main already running North but North Main did not exist prior to the building of the Main St. Bridge Note: West Montgomery Road Highlighted in Blue.

[sinister1]

Ross, thanks so much.This is a bit of Houston history about which I'd never heard.

Could it be that the numbered streets were renamed so as not to be confused with the numbered streets in the Heights?

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/maps/images/map0435.jpg

The link above takes you to a Map from 1913 which shows the Turner addition with the Chestnut and Sycamore streets clearly labeled running vertically but notice that the streets that run horizontal are blank, these are the number streets. My guess is that they are blank because they haven't came up with new names for them but I could be wrong.

[sinister1]

The link above takes you to a Map from 1913 which shows the Turner addition with the Chestnut and Sycamore streets clearly labeled running vertically but notice that the streets that run horizontal are blank, these are the number streets. My guess is that they are blank because they haven't came up with new names for them but I could be wrong.

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/maps/images/map0435.jpg

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/topo/texas/txu-pclmaps-topo-tx-houston_and_vicinity-1955.jpg

Okay this 1955 Map shows 11th street as Bissonnet, so somewhere in between 1913 and 1955 the names of the streets changed. Maybe like Ross mention it was because it was annexed by Houston and the Heights already had similar names or because of re-construction due the building of freeways. It would be very interesting to find out.

[sinister1]

The Shepherd Street bridge over White Oak Bayou used to have a plaque calling it Erie Street Bridge. The plaque disappeared when they rebuilt the bridge. I have a small hope that someone takes those and puts them in a warehouse somewhere for posterity, rather than just junking them.

I seem to remember seeing that plaque; was it the smaller bridge? If I remember correctly this was before they built the bigger brige that goes over the railroad tracks where the Houston Car Auction use to be. Is this right?

[sinister1]

West (and East) Montgomery was a rather informal name. Airline was also known as East Montgomery after it joined up with Fulton going north. Going south, East Montgomery followed Fulton to downtown.

As for West Montgomery, it followed Yale after meeting with Tidwell, down to Whitney and then a dogleg over to Main where it went to downtown.

http://www.texasfreeway.com/houston/historic/road_maps/images/1955_houston_humble_highres.jpg

I believe that once you got into "town"... that is, you passed Tidwell, neither of those designations were really used, other than on maps. As far as East Montgomery Road, I don't really see any references to it in phone books after the 1930s. As far as West Montgomery Road... if you were on North Main, I don't think anyone other than the mapmaker called it West Montgomery. It was more of a route name, if I understand it correctly. One road was the way to eastern Montgomery County, the other was the way to western Montgomery County. That's the way I've interpreted it. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me.

Here's a few more maps. They're pretty inconclusive:

1913:

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/maps/images/map0435.jpg

1935:

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/maps/images/map0436.jpg

Wow W.Montgomery running down Yale st. explains why there is an old Yale st. Probably after they renamed that section of W. Montgomery to Yale they changed it. Cool

[sinister1]

From 05-15-1892

Names of Streets Changed

By a recent act of the city council the following changes have been made in the names of streets, the names generally being after some one prominently connected with the present or past of Houston:

Wards First and Fourth north: Bradley to Sabine street, Heiss to Colorado street, Stanley street to Stanley place, Park to Johnson street, Nicaragua to Moore, Bismark street to Bismark place, Clay street to Houston avenue, Susan to Kessler street, Cushman street to Cushman place, John to Hickory street, South street to Artesia place, Herbert street to Herbert place, Kane street to Reisner street, Morin street to Morin place.

Second ward: First street, Factory addition, to Lockhart, Second street to Bering street, Third street to Kennedy street, Fourth street to Fox street, Fifth street to Dumble street, Sixth streed to Freund street, Seventh street to Foley street, Clarke street to Flynn street.

Third ward: West Broadway to Hutchins street, East Broadway to Dowling street, Shanghai to Velasco street, Bremond street to Burke place.

Fourth ward south: Bomelt street to Baldwin street, Trinity street to House street, next street west of Trinity to Fuller street, Sabine street to Heiner street, Bayou street to Crosby street, Hobson to Meyer street,Baker to Buckner street, Gentry to Sherman street, Runnels to Cushing street, First street west to Mathews, Second street to Wilson, Third street to Bailey, Fourth street to Gilette, Ennis street to Ruthven, Cline to Cleveland street, First street south to Arnold, Second street south to Cook, Third street Sutton, Center to Erichson street, Houston to Curtin street, Laura street to Rusk avenue.

Fifth ward: Henry and Johnson streets from Webster addition east to Clarke street, to Campbell street, Pascal to Leo street, Campbell to Noble, James street to Sumpter street, Grand avenue and Stephens street to Loraine street, Pinkney to Wills street, Dumble street change to Leona street, Price and John street to Opelousas, Venice and Burr to Liberty street, Second and Bull to Sterrett, First to Grayson street, Ducong and Hare to Nance street, Waverly to Brooks street, Stephens to Hogan, John street Richey addition to Walnut street, Mariana to Huntington, Walker street to Willaimson place.

Hi,

I would like to know where did you find this article? I have not been able to find any maps showing Houston Ave. as Clay St. I went as far back to an 1887 map and is shows up a Houston Ave. I would be most grateful if you could share the source of this information. Thanks.

[Ross]

I seem to remember seeing that plaque; was it the smaller bridge? If I remember correctly this was before they built the bigger brige that goes over the railroad tracks where the Houston Car Auction use to be. Is this right?

It was on the smaller bridge that goes over the bayou. They redid the concrete railings and the plaque disappeared. I'll have to play with Google Earth to refresh my memory.

[sevfiv]

Apologies if this has already been posted but this Chronicle article from 1997 explains a few:

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=1997_1407015

[jetfuel]

I have checked the various links of previous posts without luck finding any results. There is a stretch of City of Houston street that is now known as the 5300 block of Beverly Hill Street.  This is between Rice Avenue and Yorktown.  At some time in the past this was known as the 3300 block of Bingham Manor Lane.  Is there a record indicating when this name change was made?  Commercial map databases have a glitch in them that still identifies a portion of this block of Beverly Hill Street as Bingham Manor Lane.  If you move the mouse cursor or drop a pin at the corner of South Rice Avenue and Beverly Hill Street on Google Maps, it shows 3399 Bingham Manor Lane.  This error is in Google, OnStar, Waze, Bing, and MapQuest, and the USPS site says Bingham Manor Lane is not a valid address for 77056.  Also attached is a photo from an adjacent residence (current photo- 2015)   

[Libbie]

I haven't read this entire thread from 2007 to 2 weeks ago, so I might be repeating something,  but how about Reba in River Oaks, which becomes Fairview East of Shepherd, which then becomes Tuam right before downtown?

 And Gray, which just past Shepherd becomes Inwood.

[plumber2]

I have checked the various links of previous posts without luck finding any results. There is a stretch of City of Houston street that is now known as the 5300 block of Beverly Hill Street.  This is between Rice Avenue and Yorktown.  At some time in the past this was known as the 3300 block of Bingham Manor Lane.  Is there a record indicating when this name change was made?  Commercial map databases have a glitch in them that still identifies a portion of this block of Beverly Hill Street as Bingham Manor Lane.  If you move the mouse cursor or drop a pin at the corner of South Rice Avenue and Beverly Hill Street on Google Maps, it shows 3399 Bingham Manor Lane.  This error is in Google, OnStar, Waze, Bing, and MapQuest, and the USPS site says Bingham Manor Lane is not a valid address for 77056.  Also attached is a photo from an adjacent residence (current photo- 2015)Bingham Manor Lane.jpeg  bingham manor map.PNG

 

It has always been Beverly Hill Lane. I remember growing up in these parts, This parcel of land just north of Larchmont was originally a nursery. Apartments were then built in the mid 60's with the public road being named Beverly Hill Lane, lining up with Beverly Hill Lane in Larchmont beyond Pilgrim Elementary School. There may have been a Bingham Manor Lane that is a private street intersecting with Beverly Hill Lane.

 

[kskcarpenter]

This is my first time trying this; I hope I do it correctly.

I'm looking at the 1930 Federal Census for my great-grandfather who was a long-time resident of Houston, usually in the Heights. The address given, is 2615 Hilosel. I have searched and searched, but cannot find a street by that name in Houston. Does anyone know where this street is, if it was renamed, or if it was obliterated during a building boom? I have been able to trace his movements around Houston, but this has me stymied.

Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.

[Ross]

This is my first time trying this; I hope I do it correctly.

I'm looking at the 1930 Federal Census for my great-grandfather who was a long-time resident of Houston, usually in the Heights. The address given, is 2615 Hilosel. I have searched and searched, but cannot find a street by that name in Houston. Does anyone know where this street is, if it was renamed, or if it was obliterated during a building boom? I have been able to trace his movements around Houston, but this has me stymied.

Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.

 

It's now called Westgate Street, South of Westheimer, West of Shepherd. Here's a link to the block book map http://books.tax.hctx.net/v056/AE1997_Vol_56_0076.jpg

 

Ancestry.com has a number of Houston City Directories available. I just looked in the 1930 edition, under the street listing, which had  the general location as part of the description, then used a map to see what streets might fit the bill, then went to the block books search. Searching Westgate didn't quite work, so I used Newman, the next street East.

 

2615 is the first house listed, with E M Hudson as the resident.Going back to the name listing, his wife was Norma, and he was a salesman for Reliance Clay Products. Reliance admin offices were in the Gulf building, retail yard was at 1406 Dowling.

 

2615 is now a townhouse, I have no idea if the location is the same. The block book map lists lot numbers, not addresses

 

Edited April 27, 2015 by Ross

[kskcarpenter]

THANK YOU!  THANK YOU!  THANK YOU!

 

I was starting to go a little nuts.  I also thought of searching the block books, but became hopelessly lost.  Then, I stumbled onto this site (that's how lost I was) and decided to give it a try.  Glad I did.

[tanker61]

Mackie Dee Avenue in Magnolia Park.  First time poster.

In the 1913 map of Houston, present day 76th street was called Mackie Dee Avenue.  It ran north from Harrisburg Blvd to present day section of Avenue P, ran west for one block and then north on present day 75th Street to the Turning Basin of the Ship Channel.  The Central Park/Magnolia Park Map verified this.  Around 1950, the street names were changed to the names of today.  I have spent countless hours online trying to research and find out who Mackie Dee was with no luck. Never had the time to visit the Texas Room at the library to get serious.  Anyone ever heard of this road or of Mackie Dee?

[Ross]

1 hour ago, tanker61 said:

Mackie Dee Avenue in Magnolia Park.  First time poster.

In the 1913 map of Houston, present day 76th street was called Mackie Dee Avenue.  It ran north from Harrisburg Blvd to present day section of Avenue P, ran west for one block and then north on present day 75th Street to the Turning Basin of the Ship Channel.  The Central Park/Magnolia Park Map verified this.  Around 1950, the street names were changed to the names of today.  I have spent countless hours online trying to research and find out who Mackie Dee was with no luck. Never had the time to visit the Texas Room at the library to get serious.  Anyone ever heard of this road or of Mackie Dee?

 

Some more info at https://www.flickr.com/photos/rkimberly/4995896189

 

Reference to Mackie Dee Oil and Investment (may get more info from Texas Secretary of State records) https://books.google.com/books?id=H39DAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA63&lpg=PA63&dq=mackie+dee+houston&source=bl&ots=jsAE1v_Tu1&sig=RUH95c8q1T5Ga8Ly2Cn5oQ5qQbI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiKw7a-vubRAhXBRiYKHXKqC6IQ6AEINzAF#v=onepage&q=mackie dee houston&f=false

There's a mention of a Mackie Dee Barnett in the July 17, 1904 Galveston Daily News society news for Brenham. In 1906, there's a marriage license where Mackie Dee Barnett married a William Mayfield in Ft Bend County. In the 1910 census, they live at 415 Emerson Street in Houston (one street North of Westmoreland), the husband is a newspaper editor.

That's all I could find right now. The items with no link came from ancestry.com

[tanker61]

Thank you for the fast response on Mackie Dee.  The flickr link to the newspaper article was the closest I got.  If Mr. Lew who owned the grocery store at the corner of Canal didn't know, I thought it was a lost cause.  I will also keep looking.

[sevfiv]

Mackie Dee Oil and Development Company also shows up the September 1, 1911 issue of the Houston Post under "New Houston Corporations"

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth443220/m1/55/?q=mackie

[Michelle C]

Lincoln Street ran from Allen Parkway to Westheimer. It is now an extension of Montrose. Only a short section of Lincoln still exist between Westheimer and California St.

[mblaise]

Sometimes when I am using Uber maps or Waze, I'll be told to turn on a street (usually a very new street) and the name was not the same as the street sign. Maybe a developer of the subdivision changed it. Anyone run across this? I know this is not completely historic, but I did not know what topic to place it in. Several years back there was a great discussion of Houston area roads that changed names. That was a a fun discussion.

[mkultra25]

I can't say that I've encountered that before, but I'm only an occasional user of those apps. 

It did get me thinking about a tangentially-related question, however - have a sufficient number of new transplants moved to Houston in the past 20-odd years (and/or a sufficient number of old-school natives passed away) to where "San Phillipy" is no longer a commonly-accepted pronunciation of "San Felipe"? 

[bred]

In my line of work, I find myself in a lot of new housing developments all over the city, and occasionally I find streets in new subdivisions that have recently been renamed (mostly in Brazoria County).  Usually this is because it is discovered that there is a duplicate or similar street name within the same city.

[JLWM8609]

19 hours ago, bred said:

In my line of work, I find myself in a lot of new housing developments all over the city, and occasionally I find streets in new subdivisions that have recently been renamed (mostly in Brazoria County).  Usually this is because it is discovered that there is a duplicate or similar street name within the same city.

I've seen County Roads in Brazoria County renamed when they link up with other roads to make a long, continuous street, even going as far as to renumber addresses. Ex: The 2600 block of CR 59 is now the 11600 block of Magnolia Pkwy.

[Specwriter]

Another example is when two existing streets "meet" like when Ella Blvd. becomes Wheatley just north of Pinemont. Strangely, Wheatley becomes Ella Blvd. again as it crosses Dewalt about a quarter mile south of W. Gulf Bank. Consider also how Elgin seems to "segue" into Westheimer although the route does curve there.

[Ross]

20 hours ago, Specwriter said:

Another example is when two existing streets "meet" like when Ella Blvd. becomes Wheatley just north of Pinemont. Strangely, Wheatley becomes Ella Blvd. again as it crosses Dewalt about a quarter mile south of W. Gulf Bank. Consider also how Elgin seems to "segue" into Westheimer although the route does curve there.

Westheimer and Elgin were originally separate streets, with the Eastern portion of what is now Westheimer named Hathaway Street. This thread has some links that show this 

 

I just noticed on the 1955 map that Montrose stops at Westheimer, and North of Westheimer, it's Lincoln Street. Here's a block book map for Hyde Park, that shows Lincoln Street on the far right, West of Grant 

Notice that Grant runs along the railroad, which was the separation point between Westheimer and Hathaway(as far as I can tell) And, it looks like Waugh was named Euclid in 1905 when Hyde Park was platted. There is a Euclid Street in the Norhill/Woodland Heights area now. I wonder when that got changed.

[mblaise]

Studemont (Studewood) and Montrose did not connect until the late 60s. Maps show dashed lines proposed

[editor]

On 1/12/2022 at 2:32 PM, mkultra25 said:

I can't say that I've encountered that before, but I'm only an occasional user of those apps. 

It did get me thinking about a tangentially-related question, however - have a sufficient number of new transplants moved to Houston in the past 20-odd years (and/or a sufficient number of old-school natives passed away) to where "San Phillipy" is no longer a commonly-accepted pronunciation of "San Felipe"? 

 

When I moved to Houston, I was given a quick lesson in local pronunciation.  "San Phillipy" was the correct pronunciation of San Felipe for use on air. 

Another one I remember people making a point of was Tuam.  "Too-am," not "Twam."

[hindesky]

When I first moved to the Houston area I lived in Pasadena, they had a street spelled Tartar but everyone pronounced it Tater. It led into Pasadena Blvd at Burke Rd. but a few years ago they renamed the whole road Pasadena Blvd.

Edited March 1, 2022 by hindesky

[mkultra25]

4 hours ago, editor said:

 

When I moved to Houston, I was given a quick lesson in local pronunciation.  "San Phillipy" was the correct pronunciation of San Felipe for use on air. 

Another one I remember people making a point of was Tuam.  "Too-am," not "Twam."

I'd imagine "San Jacinto" (with a hard "j" and a short "i") and "Kirkendoll" were covered in that lesson as well.

I've occasionally heard Tuam pronounced as "chew 'em", but I'm pretty sure anyone using that variant isn't from Houston.  

[Ross]

1 hour ago, mkultra25 said:

I'd imagine "San Jacinto" (with a hard "j" and a short "i") and "Kirkendoll" were covered in that lesson as well.

I've occasionally heard Tuam pronounced as "chew 'em", but I'm pretty sure anyone using that variant isn't from Houston.  

The pronunciation of the town in Ireland(where the name came from) is something like "chewm". Tuam is the town where Dick Dowling was born. https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/dowling-richard-william#:~:text=Richard William Dowling%2C businessman and,and settled in New Orleans.

[Dave W]

19 hours ago, hindesky said:

When I first moved to the Houston area I lived in Pasadena, they had a street spelled Tarter but everyone pronounced it Tater. It led into Pasadena Blvd at Burke Rd. but a few years ago they renamed the whole road Pasadena Blvd.

The street was Tatar, not Tarter. It was named for developer Herbert Tatar.

[Dave W]

15 hours ago, mkultra25 said:

I'd imagine "San Jacinto" (with a hard "j" and a short "i") and "Kirkendoll" were covered in that lesson as well.

I've occasionally heard Tuam pronounced as "chew 'em", but I'm pretty sure anyone using that variant isn't from Houston.  

"Kirkendall" is the correct pronunciation of Kuykendall. It's a Dutch thing, not a Houston oddity.

[trymahjong]

What about avondale= ah von dale? But there is a Hathaway street as in Shakespeare wife and also  Stratford street within Avondale…..so should it be like Straford on “Avon”……. A von dale?

[hindesky]

14 hours ago, Dave W said:

The street was Tatar, not Tarter. It was named for developer Herbert Tatar.

It was spelled Tartar St., I can clearly remember seeing the signs and wondering why people where calling it Tatar.

 

[hindesky]

14 hours ago, Dave W said:

The street was Tatar, not Tarter. It was named for developer Herbert Tatar.

I disagree, I lived in Pasadena for 25 yrs, I know I wasn't seeing things and the name was written "Tartar St." on the street signs but pronounced Tatar St. by the locals.

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