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Stopped by Mendocino for the first time this week and evidently the patio is cat-friendly  

Velvet Taco will be going in here. https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/Project/TABS2020012935  

You mean like Hanover Rice Village?

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14 hours ago, CrockpotandGravel said:

Are there going to be more high-rise apartments here? If not, should this thread be moved out of Going Up since most of this are renovations of existing buildings?

I've heard rumblings from the folks at Shiva that a developer is approaching landlords on that block to cobble up land to build a high rise. 

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http://swamplot.com/rice-u-apparel-store-preparing-to-nest-next-to-coming-rice-village-shake-shack/2018-02-02/

 

NOW ON ITS way to a portion of the Village Arcade building on Amherst that La Madeleine restaurant abandoned last March: Shop Rice Owls, a clothing and merchandise store selling exclusively Rice University gear. The 1,071-sq.-ft. off-white-walled space beneath the rooftop Rice Village parking garage was once the east end of La Madeleine’s space on the corner of Amherst and Kirby. A partly-built Shack Shake has since taken over the French bakery’s former home — but not all of it, leaving room for the off-campus store to squeeze in between the back side of the fast-food spot and the staircase leading up to the garage.

 

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I know there are several new retail operations that have opened, but the number of stores and restaurants closing

or already gone must be a little disturbing to the management of the Village.

I have never seen quite so many vacant or soon to be vacant spaces. 

I wonder if their plan to put in parking meters has hurt their business?

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32 minutes ago, bobruss said:

I know there are several new retail operations that have opened, but the number of stores and restaurants closing

or already gone must be a little disturbing to the management of the Village.

I have never seen quite so many vacant or soon to be vacant spaces. 

I wonder if their plan to put in parking meters has hurt their business?

 

Other than La Madelleine, which was replaced by Shake Shack, What businesses have closed/are closing?

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Miss Saigon,  The Gingerman, El Paso Furniture, Giggles on the corner of Kelvin and Rice, clothing store next to Saigon, two restaurants on the second floor of the arcade across from Jasons. There are a couple more that i cant recall the names right now so yes there are many more than La Madeline. I work in the neighborhood and walk to lunch quite often so I think I know the area. 

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I think most people eye the Village as a contiguous shopping area that is bounded by Kirby,  University, Greenbrier, and Sunset.

I understand that there is a major player in Trademark properties and I hope their plan works. I just mentioned that I had not seen so many empty retail sites in years.

If Trademark is  so involved they should be thinking about entertaining a grocery store, hotel and park, in the area and then they would have a walkable city and people would flock to live there. I haven't seen any plans for any of these types of developments which would make the Village whole. 

I also think that one of the things that made the Village a popular spot was the fact that there was such a mix of mom and pops and the variety of restaurants and bars.

I hope this doesn't turn into the Village District.

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15 minutes ago, bobruss said:

I thought I read in  Swamplot  last week that  they were moving to West Gray.

 

not moving, expanding. second location.

 

and i agree that a boutique hotel - a low or midrise concept a la south congress hotel - would do wonders in the village. no idea if it's feasible financially but the idea itself would blend in seamlessly there and be a huge draw imo.

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Theres a cool studio building on Kelvin a couple of doors from our gallery, that could be a very small bed and breakfast with some design changes. Its next to the IBC bank garage and I think it now rents to artists. It's not very big but how delightful would it be for people coming to Houston for doctors or shopping or the arts to have an area like the Village to operate out of. 

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10 hours ago, bobruss said:

I also think that one of the things that made the Village a popular spot was the fact that there was such a mix of mom and pops and the variety of restaurants and bars.

I hope this doesn't turn into the Village District.

 

That ship sailed years ago IMHO when the Village Arcade was built.

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I agree. It seemed to lose its small town charm. My favorite was the five and dime, Alfreds, and I loved the small Rice Food Market.

Also back in the days there used to be a bar where the Compass bank is on University called the Poor Mans Country Club, run by a 

great proprietor named Al. 

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16 hours ago, bobruss said:

I agree. It seemed to lose its small town charm. My favorite was the five and dime, Alfreds, and I loved the small Rice Food Market.

Also back in the days there used to be a bar where the Compass bank is on University called the Poor Mans Country Club, run by a 

great proprietor named Al. 

 

I thought I'd posted this here before, but an admittedly cursory search didn't turn it up. Wish I had a higher-resolution version, as it's difficult to read as is and too fuzzy when enlarged, but it's better than nothing. 

 

 

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On 2/9/2018 at 10:13 PM, bobruss said:

I agree. It seemed to lose its small town charm. My favorite was the five and dime, Alfreds, and I loved the small Rice Food Market.

Also back in the days there used to be a bar where the Compass bank is on University called the Poor Mans Country Club, run by a 

great proprietor named Al. 

 

The Five and Dime was the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I too loved the small town charm of that development! I also miss the anime/toy/collectible store that was there! 

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Are we sure that this is going in the location reflected in the 2016 plans? Those 2016 renderings don't identify which particular space the food hall would be located in, but all the first floor space along University is currently leased and occupied by national retailers. The second floor space is partially leased and occupied currently, with only ~7200sf of contiguous space shown on the Site Plan as available. 

 

However, Rice owns a ~22,000sf two story building at 5555 Morningside that is currently under renovation. The only current occupant is Doc Holliday's, but the buidling has otherwise been totally gutted. It was previously occupied by Gorgeous Gael and a few other tenants. This would seem like a good food hall location since Monringside is a big restaurant focus of Rice Village and would be available for occupancy sooner than the University Site, I would think.

 

 

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"currently abandoned"??

 

The renderings indeed suggest the Market is going to be located in the former Rice Village Arcade on the corner of University Blvd and Morningside Dr., as Crockpot has assured us.  But the statement in the linked article that it will "replace currently abandoned Rice Village Arcade property..." suggests  it is going elsewhere.  Of course it's entirely possible this is just another case of journalistic malpractice. Perhaps the Rice Thresher student journalists interned with the Chronicle😉

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There is a construction fence up around the entire old Gorgeous Gael property on Morningside and active remodeling going on.......food hall or not, I'm very curious to see what they do with this space.  It'd be great to see them re-purpose the adjacent parking lots for some public shared use or patio space.

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49 minutes ago, talltexan83 said:

There is a construction fence up around the entire old Gorgeous Gael property on Morningside and active remodeling going on.......food hall or not, I'm very curious to see what they do with this space.  It'd be great to see them re-purpose the adjacent parking lots for some public shared use or patio space.

 

Agreed on very curious what's going on there.

 

As I mentioned above, I suspect that if there is a food hall at Rice, it would be there. Certainly just speculating at this point though.

 

It is an outstanding location for a food hall since, as you suggest, the parking lots at the property could be used for patio space just like they did across Morningside. There is no need for those surface parking lots since there is easy garage access. The property is two levels and would have nice late night synergy with the adjacent bars.

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6 hours ago, CrockpotandGravel said:

 Also the St Roch Market guys have a history of building their food halls from large prominent existing buildings that are two stories (as is the Village Arcade) and occupies a large space (as is the Village Arcade shown in the renderings being renovated into a food hall).

 

We are both speculating here so I'm not saying that you are incorrect, but I'll note that 5555 Morningside is a two story building with almost 22k improved square feet per HCAD.

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I think I've figured it out.  Someone upthread told us that the site plans had designated both levels as Food Hall.  In fact, the 2018 and current site plan (posted upthread) clearly shows only level 2 is designated for the Food Hall.  Level 2 space does appear to be a little more than 1/2 "abandoned" in words of the Rice Thresher.

 

So I think we can safely presume that the Food Hall is going in the second level of the Arcade building at University and Morningside.

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On 6/13/2014 at 10:31 AM, Luminare said:

Jane Jacobs example works really good when the historic area is already in an urban setting.

 

A book that's really good about discussing character of spaces and what makes for good spaces and areas with identities is Kevin Lynch's, "Image of a City". Of course there are suburban neighborhoods which should try to preserve their identity, but since the ones we talk about everyday are in areas which should have been urbanized long ago it's hard to preserve them 😕

 

The growing pains that Houston is going through, and will maintain into the future, is reconciling with the fact that almost the entire city has been suburban or even "sub-rural", if you will, for so long that because of the explosion of growth and race to densify almost the entire city is vulnerable in terms of its suburban fabric and architecture. It doesn't help that the draconian laws that prevented urbanization inside the loop for two decades further solidified these areas as suburban planted on quality urban plots. I guarantee you that if those laws were not in place that whole area would already been mid-rise just keep with demand to be closer to market areas such as this.

 

It's an architectural discourse that has be presented and discussed. We will probably have these same conversations years later with more of East Downtown and more of Washington Ave get further redevelopment because they have such a low-rise architectural fabric it simply will be difficult for the city to preserve these parts of our history.

Well said 

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5 hours ago, CrockpotandGravel said:

Update on Mendocino Farms Rice Village restaurant at 5510 Morningside Dr, Suite 120, Houston.

It's opening next month, July 18.

https://www.mendocinofarms.com/ricevillage/


I'll try and snap photos of the inside this weekend if I can, and around Rice Village.

 

Wow that is awesome! From the looks of it, they haven't even begun to do any work at all on the Uptown Park location. I can't wait to check out the Rice Village location just to get an idea of what to expect!

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5 hours ago, CrockpotandGravel said:

Update on Mendocino Farms Rice Village restaurant at 5510 Morningside Dr, Suite 120, Houston.

It's opening next month, July 18.

https://www.mendocinofarms.com/ricevillage/


I'll try and snap photos of the inside this weekend if I can, and around Rice Village.

Those sandwiches look really good.

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Has anyone heard any updates on the proposed Dat Dog build out?  On the corner lot right next to Mendocino Farms.  I recall the liquor license being approved a while back, but still no activity on the site.  I think it would be great to see that stretch of outdoor patios on Morningside continue.

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1 hour ago, CrockpotandGravel said:


They're not opening until early 2020.

Also it's not part of Rice Village Arcade renovation. Dat Dog is located in another building that's unrelated to the Rice Village development now under management by Edge Realty. And more reason that there needs to be a forum for the area that consists of Boulevard Oaks, Rice Village, and West U, so there can be dedicated threads for buildings, lots, and new developments in those areas.

 

Ok, thanks.  I just know that Dat Dog first mentioned this location back in early 2018, so I wonder how serious the early 2020 date is now.

 

I'm fine with everything going on in the Rice Village falling under this thread.....updates from the various projects seem to come in slow drips anyways.  But you keep doing you.....I applaud your very persistent efforts on a lot of these threads.

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4 hours ago, CrockpotandGravel said:

Mods @Triton @Urbannizer @Subdude


Can you please consider moving this thread to the "Other Neighborhoods" forum since @editor has not created a forum for the Rice Village and West U area?

The proposed hotel isn't going up anytime soon. Until it does, maybe this thread would be a better fit in the "Other Neighborhoods" forum (not the West Loop since this is more West U and Rice Village than West Loop). Most of the updates are about renovations to the existing building of Village Arcade and the shops surrounding Rice Village District. 

https://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/forum/34-other-houston-neighborhoods/

 

I would agree with this as well. Most of the major alterations have been completed. Now you just have small buildouts, renovations, or reuses.

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1 hour ago, CrockpotandGravel said:



Agreed. There is nothing big or even small going up here. There are only build-outs or renovations of existing buildings. Any other project like this, would not be in Going Up. It would be in one of the other forums, like the Uptown Park project, the Highland Village shopping center. Both are doing renovations and build-outs of existing storefronts like Rice Village. None of them are  building high rise residential or apartments, which then would be a consideration for moving to the Going Up forum.

 

 

Well this one will be moved eventually haha. Until then I guess this one will get slightly more attention. Would probably be fair for us all to go easy on asking for demotions until the dust settles from @editor work on new subforum designations. Now if we find things buried that should be in "Going Up" lets call it out. Deal?

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replacing local restaurants with pass-their-prime national chains and removing all free parking is just...  sad.     I would love to meet whatever idiot that runs Mendocinco farms that came to houston and ate at Local Foods and Dish Society and watched East Hampton already close a store and thought "yup, we should enter this market".   

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42 minutes ago, crock said:

replacing local restaurants with pass-their-prime national chains and removing all free parking is just...  sad.     I would love to meet whatever idiot that runs Mendocinco farms that came to houston and ate at Local Foods and Dish Society and watched East Hampton already close a store and thought "yup, we should enter this market".   

 

I don't know. By all metrics this has been raving success, or is all this just your opinion? and what chains are you referring too?

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2 hours ago, crock said:

replacing local restaurants with pass-their-prime national chains and removing all free parking is just...  sad.     I would love to meet whatever idiot that runs Mendocinco farms that came to houston and ate at Local Foods and Dish Society and watched East Hampton already close a store and thought "yup, we should enter this market".   

Hubby and I ate at Mendocino Farms last night and it was packed. Great location, especially outside with the nice weather. That being said, Local Foods and Dish Society have nothing to worry about, imo. 

 

I think concepts that are popular elsewhere, i.e. Mendocino Farms, Hopdoddy, Shake Shack etc. see Houston as a viable market because of the many transplants coming here who identify with those places. I honestly think our homegrown eateries are less likely to expand to other markets because there aren’t as many Houston transplants en masse in other cities to create a following. To me, it speaks to the fact that generally speaking, Houston is a place people relocate to, rather than from. 

 

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On 7/25/2019 at 12:53 PM, crock said:

replacing local restaurants with pass-their-prime national chains and removing all free parking is just...  sad.     

 

 

IIRC, parking in the structure is free for two hours, even without validation. But now that the surface spots in front of the stores are metered from the first minute, those spots are much more likely to be available. (Funny how that works)

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Growing up, the only reason to go to Rice Village was that place on the second floor that brewed their own beer, gingerman for the cup special, the irish pub, or that other bar where hopdoddies is (Baker St.?). Don't forget that weird club that was in that tiny space next to the irish pub . They've successfully repositioned the village to have less 21-24 year olds just piss drunk at all hours of the day after 5pm or so, and more of a hang out-chill vibe. There were actual families there at 8pm on Thursday just moseying around. I'm sure the neighborhood didn't love having the crazy crowds on st. paddy's weekend.

 

I honestly don't know how the old school retail places are still open. That soccer shop is the perfect example: appallingly mediocre soccer selection and only open until 7pm (lol wut), but hey! for some reason they also sell lacrosse gear? But hey! Antiques! Closed at 5pm! I know that area is rich and all but damn, I guess they've done all their shopping before anyone has a chance to get home. 

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On 8/5/2019 at 5:00 PM, X.R. said:

Growing up, the only reason to go to Rice Village was that place on the second floor that brewed their own beer, gingerman for the cup special, the irish pub, or that other bar where hopdoddies is (Baker St.?). Don't forget that weird club that was in that tiny space next to the irish pub . They've successfully repositioned the village to have less 21-24 year olds just piss drunk at all hours of the day after 5pm or so, and more of a hang out-chill vibe. There were actual families there at 8pm on Thursday just moseying around. I'm sure the neighborhood didn't love having the crazy crowds on st. paddy's weekend.

 

I honestly don't know how the old school retail places are still open. That soccer shop is the perfect example: appallingly mediocre soccer selection and only open until 7pm (lol wut), but hey! for some reason they also sell lacrosse gear? But hey! Antiques! Closed at 5pm! I know that area is rich and all but damn, I guess they've done all their shopping before anyone has a chance to get home. 

 

Two Rows! $1 Wednesday and free appetizers. 

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