wxman Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I literally just LOL'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I've pretty much lost all interest in this project. I don't care either way if it's built or not. Kinda tired of hearing about it. Anybody else feel that way?Totally agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonMidtown Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Ugh..... http://swamplot.com/the-now-mythic-ashby-highrise-enshrined-in-hyperbole-and-verse/2014-06-05/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+swamplot+%28Swamplot%3A+Houston%27s+Real+Estate+Landscape%29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montrose1100 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Ugh..... http://swamplot.com/the-now-mythic-ashby-highrise-enshrined-in-hyperbole-and-verse/2014-06-05/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+swamplot+%28Swamplot%3A+Houston%27s+Real+Estate+Landscape%29"And Ashby, which has lain dormant for three thousand years". - Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite_jim Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 This is why people hate poetry and swamplot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 The whole thing became something of a self parody quite a while ago. I was rooting for both sides to lose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonMidtown Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 The whole thing became something of a self parody quite a while ago. I was rooting for both sides to lose. My father lives in Michigan and he sent me a newspaper clipping from his local newspaper that talked about it !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 The whole thing became something of a self parody quite a while ago. I was rooting for both sides to lose. To be honest, it kinda looks like they have already at this point... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky-guy Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) I've pretty much lost all interest in this project. I don't care either way if it's built or not. Kinda tired of hearing about it. Anybody else feel that way? Actualy, it's been about 84 months. Edited June 5, 2014 by Sky-guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 To be honest, it kinda looks like they have already at this point... I agree, the whole thing seemed to have a complete absence of satisfactory outcomes for anyone involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 I agree, the whole thing seemed to have a complete absence of satisfactory outcomes for anyone involved. That's what often happens when you go to trial. Vindication!!!! Sweet, satisfying Victory!!!! almost never occurs. For either side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Those excavators I took pictures of and the dirt mounds are gone, but it looks like a few of you have caught that already. 2014-06-07 17.35.29 by marclongoria, on Flickr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Has anyone driven by the lot recently? Any updates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I did three days ago. No progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Will this even be visible from anywhere besides another high rise or flying vehicle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august948 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 It will be from the next door neighbors back yards. What I wonder is if they will ever take those silly signs down or if it's going to turn into a permanent protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asubrt Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Nothing today. The only thing I've seen in the past month (I drive by 2 or 3 times per week) was a small piece of equipment one afternoon that didn't really seem to do anything. It kind of looked like a backhoe but seemed smaller than ones I've seen. There is a banner with this website (http://www.1717updates.com), but it hasn't been updated in a year. Meanwhile, those disgusting yellow signs show no sign of going away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alternativemike Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I wonder if ultimately they will give up and scale it down into some sort of mediocre faux Mediterranean 3-4 story town home community. I can already envision it - "Ashby Commons" or "Ashby Place" or "Ashby Landing" or "Ashby Cove" - Luxury living in the heart of the city - starting in the low $950k's! Because let's face it - nothing screams HOUSTON these days quite like overpriced townhomes enclosed with gated access - instilling a nice cozy sense of privacy, security and control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonMidtown Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) Defense appeals damages.... http://blog.chron.com/primeproperty/2014/07/defense-appeals-damages-in-ashby-high-rise-case/#18972101=0 Edited August 1, 2014 by HoustonMidtown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 And another earthmover brings a fresh pile of documents to the courthouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Of course it's getting appealed. With the amounts of money involved, an appeal by whoever's ox got gored is pretty much a given. It's also pretty much a given that regardless of what the Court of Appeals does, one side or the other will ask the Texas Supreme Court to take a look at it. My spectator's guess is that the Supremes will take the case; there isn't a whole lot of authority on nuisance cases and what does exist could benefit from some clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 The appeal is by the developer. Given the limited number of plaintiffs and the small awards relative to the development cost of the building, I would have thought it was chump change just to get rid of a few ankle-biters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 The appeal is by the developer. Given the limited number of plaintiffs and the small awards relative to the development cost of the building, I would have thought it was chump change just to get rid of a few ankle-biters. If you think nearly $2 million is chump change, may I come over and root around for the chump change in your sofa cushions? Seriously, though, I think the bigger issue is getting some clarity on whether a nearby high rise can constitute a nuisance - and that has value to the developer community in and of itself. Again, this was bound to be appealed by one side or the other anyway. Neither side got what could be called a clear "win," so having the developers as the appellants pretty much means no more than that they got their notice of appeal on file first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Okay, so it's the principle of the thing... At the end of the day, I don't see any impediments to this thing being built. Unless the developer starts getting cold feet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) Okay, so it's the principle of the thing... At the end of the day, I don't see any impediments to this thing being built. Unless the developer starts getting cold feet... Not quite. The District Court denied the homeowner's Motion for Permanent Injunction on 7/18/2014. They have 6 months to file an appeal. I doubt that we will see any construction until the denial of the permanent injunction is unappealable as lenders are loath to commit funds to a project that is in controversy and could be stopped by the courts. Furthermore, I'd expect that if the homeowners intend to appeal, they will wait until the last minute to file an appeal so as to delay this project as long as possible. Edited August 4, 2014 by nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) Sorry, nate, but your understanding of the appellate timetable is waaaaaaay off. The triggering event is the trial court signing a final judgment. After that, you have either 30 or 90 days to file a notice of appeal, depending on whether a motion for new trial is filed (or a couple other circumstances not relevant here). One may ask for a 15 day extension; if your opponent files right on the deadline and you decide you want to appeal after all, you get two more weeks to file your notice. Edit: Since the court of appeals' jurisdiction has now been invoked, the schedule in the court of appeals is what it is. Other than asking for extensions on briefing (which the court will not grant indefinitely), there's not much a party can do one way or the other to slow things down. Edited August 4, 2014 by mollusk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) Sorry, nate, but your understanding of the appellate timetable is waaaaaaay off. *hangs hat in shame* You're right. Hopefully they won't timely appeal the injunction and this thing can get underway. Edited August 4, 2014 by nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 There are various ways to keep a trial court judgment from taking effect during appeal. Given the history of this case, I think it's reasonable to expect that those will be explored. In full. With all due respect to the appellate courts, it typically takes a year or two, and sometimes more, for a case to wind its way through them. Every once in a while, though, even on the civil side, there's a case that takes on what seems to be a Dickensian life span. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hysinger Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 For what its worth, it looks like the city finally issued a building permit http://houstontx.gov/planning/Publications/listsrv/WebeReport.html77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007638 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 21 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (MASTER OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007639 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 1 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR ( 2 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007641 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 3 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (3 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007643 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 6 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (4 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007645 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 7 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (5 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007646 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 8 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (6 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007647 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 9 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (7 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007648 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 10 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (8 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007649 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 11 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (9 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007650 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 12 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (10 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007651 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 13 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (11 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007652 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 14 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (12 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007653 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 15 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (13 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007655 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 16 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (14 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007656 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 17 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (15 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007658 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 18 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR ( 16 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007660 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 19 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR ( 17 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007662 1717 BISSONNET ST FL 20 NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (18 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007664 1717 BISSONNET ST ( CORE /COMMON AREA)FOR APARTMENTS 1-21-1-SH-A 100% SPR( 19 OF 26)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007671 1717 BISSONNET ST 100 NEW RESTAURANT SHELL 1-21-1-SH-A 100% SPR 2006 IBC 20 OF 2677005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007674 1717 BISSONNET ST 110 NEW RESTAURANT SHELL 1-21-1-SH-A 100% SPR 2006 IBC 20 OF 2677005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007677 1717 BISSONNET ST 120 NEW APARTMENT (PUMP ROOM) (22 OF 26 )77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007678 1717 BISSONNET ST 130 NEW APARTMENT (GENERATOR ROOM)( 23 OF 26 )77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007679 1717 BISSONNET ST GARAG NEW OPEN PARKING GARAGE 1-21-1-S2/R2-A 100% SPR ( 24 OF 26 )77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007683 1717 BISSONNET ST 600 NEW APARTMENT (LEASING OFFICE)1-21-1-B/R2-A 100% SPR ( 25 OF 26 )77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007684 1717 BISSONNET ST NEW APARTMENT (HEATED AREAS IN ROOF)77005 2014/09/18 Building Pmt 13007698 1717 BISSONNET ST 610 NEW APARTMENT (CLUB ROOM/AMENITIES)1-21-1-A3/R2-A ( 26 OF 26 ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativehoustonion Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 How funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Bottom of the page ftl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 In my experience, permits don't mean a building is coming for certain (although Ashby seems inevitable) I can tell you that in my home town, a number of building permits just didn't pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 The sure did this entirely piecemeal. Just for grins, what do you think would happen if the city only permitted Floors 2,3,5,7,10,12,16 and 19? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTAWACS Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 So it's a go? It is proceeding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 The sure did this entirely piecemeal. Just for grins, what do you think would happen if the city only permitted Floors 2,3,5,7,10,12,16 and 19? I think under the constitution that would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucleareaction Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 As of this morning, nothing going on at the site yet. Last time it was comical how fast they were on site to get the utilities hooked up before being shut down again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 The sure did this entirely piecemeal. Just for grins, what do you think would happen if the city only permitted Floors 2,3,5,7,10,12,16 and 19? I think under the constitution that would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment... I know that o' was making a funny, but I could see how some floors might be approved and others not - for example, some floors getting rejected for not having enough electrical outlets on a wall of a unit style found on those floors, but not others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) The sure did this entirely piecemeal. Just for grins, what do you think would happen if the city only permitted Floors 2,3,5,7,10,12,16 and 19? It's a risk, although small since most floors are probably alike, but this makes it easier to get partial certificates of occupancy and thus move in people early. Edited September 25, 2014 by fernz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talltexan83 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Can anyone shed some light on how the relationship with the general contractor works on a project like this? Have the labor/material costs been already been pre-agreed to? The reason I ask is that I imagine these kind of projects have very detailed ROI models. Does every month of delay mean that the labor and material costs are also rising given the shortages we are hearing about on other projects around town? On the flip side, I'm assuming the future rentals rate projections ($/month/sq ft) are probably rising as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Can anyone shed some light on how the relationship with the general contractor works on a project like this? Have the labor/material costs been already been pre-agreed to? The reason I ask is that I imagine these kind of projects have very detailed ROI models. Does every month of delay mean that the labor and material costs are also rising given the shortages we are hearing about on other projects around town?On the flip side, I'm assuming the future rentals rate projections ($/month/sq ft) are probably rising as well.Of course, if they wait too long, it will be 1983 all over again and the building won't be built. But the next land owners may turn the land into a homeless shelter/pawn shop/half way house. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samagon Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Maybe Beyonce will buy the land and make it her next knowles apartments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTiger Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Of course, if they wait too long, it will be 1983 all over again and the building won't be built. But the next land owners may turn the land into a homeless shelter/pawn shop/half way house. That won't happen unless the real estate values of the neighborhood fall into the toilet and never recover (and that permanently ruined a lot of neighborhoods) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Note a sidebar discussion was split into a new topic here:http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/31147-can-the-boom-continue/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch94 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Funny how we have a 37 page thread on a building that hasn't even started construction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakota79 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Any news at all on this? I drive by it several times a day. I think the window for it to be profitable is starting to close with all the other high rise projects in the works. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMIKA! Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Any news at all on this? I drive by it several times a day. I think the window for it to be profitable is starting to close with all the other high rise projects in the works. I know! Just build the darn thing already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMF Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Any news at all on this? I drive by it several times a day. I think the window for it to be profitable is starting to close with all the other high rise projects in the works. Agree. When this was first proposed I was excited to see Houston get another high rise. I didn't care about the neighborhood. Having something you may not like being built next to you is the risk and price ANYONE might have to pay for the privilege living in Houston (especially the inner city).But now, there so many other, much more interesting high rises going up in much more appropriate areas of the city, that I wouldn't miss this tower at all if got cancelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timoric Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) - Edited July 8, 2019 by Timoric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Not me, I want to take the lead in Texas if we do not have it already with the number of these.Take the lead in what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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