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I've pretty much lost all interest in this project. I don't care either way if it's built or not. Kinda tired of hearing about it. Anybody else feel that way?

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Actualy, it's been about 84 months.

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I agree, the whole thing seemed to have a complete absence of satisfactory outcomes for anyone involved.

 

That's what often happens when you go to trial.  

Vindication!!!! Sweet, satisfying Victory!!!! almost never occurs.  For either side.

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Nothing today. The only thing I've seen in the past month (I drive by 2 or 3 times per week) was a small piece of equipment one afternoon that didn't really seem to do anything. It kind of looked like a backhoe but seemed smaller than ones I've seen. There is a banner with this website (http://www.1717updates.com), but it hasn't been updated in a year. Meanwhile, those disgusting yellow signs show no sign of going away. 

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I wonder if ultimately they will give up and scale it down into some sort of mediocre faux Mediterranean 3-4 story town home community. I can already envision it - "Ashby Commons" or "Ashby Place" or "Ashby Landing" or "Ashby Cove" - Luxury living in the heart of the city -  starting in the low $950k's!

 

Because let's face it - nothing screams HOUSTON these days quite like overpriced townhomes enclosed with gated access - instilling a nice cozy sense of privacy, security and control ^_^

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Of course it's getting appealed.  

 

With the amounts of money involved, an appeal by whoever's ox got gored is pretty much a given.  It's also pretty much a given that regardless of what the Court of Appeals does, one side or the other will ask the Texas Supreme Court to take a look at it.  My spectator's guess is that the Supremes will take the case; there isn't a whole lot of authority on nuisance cases and what does exist could benefit from some clarification.

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The appeal is by the developer. Given the limited number of plaintiffs and the small awards relative to the development cost of the building, I would have thought it was chump change just to get rid of a few ankle-biters.

 

If you think nearly $2 million is chump change, may I come over and root around for the chump change in your sofa cushions?   :)

 

Seriously, though, I think the bigger issue is getting some clarity on whether a nearby high rise can constitute a nuisance - and that has value to the developer community in and of itself.  Again, this was bound to be appealed by one side or the other anyway.  Neither side got what could be called a clear "win," so having the developers as the appellants pretty much means no more than that they got their notice of appeal on file first.

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Okay, so it's the principle of the thing...

 

At the end of the day, I don't see any impediments to this thing being built. Unless the developer starts getting cold feet... <_<  

 

Not quite.

 

The District Court denied the homeowner's Motion for Permanent Injunction on 7/18/2014. They have 6 months to file an appeal.

 

I doubt that we will see any construction until the denial of the permanent injunction is unappealable as lenders are loath to commit funds to a project that is in controversy and could be stopped by the courts. 

 

Furthermore, I'd expect that if the homeowners intend to appeal, they will wait until the last minute to file an appeal so as to delay this project as long as possible.

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Sorry, nate, but your understanding of the appellate timetable is waaaaaaay off.  

 

The triggering event is the trial court signing a final judgment.  After that, you have either 30 or 90 days to file a notice of appeal, depending on whether a motion for new trial is filed (or a couple other circumstances not relevant here).  One may ask for a 15 day extension; if your opponent files right on the deadline and you decide you want to appeal after all, you get two more weeks to file your notice.   

 

Edit:  Since the court of appeals' jurisdiction has now been invoked, the schedule in the court of appeals is what it is.  Other than asking for extensions on briefing (which the court will not grant indefinitely), there's not much a party can do one way or the other to slow things down.

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Sorry, nate, but your understanding of the appellate timetable is waaaaaaay off.  

 

 

 

*hangs hat in shame*

 

You're right.

 

Hopefully they won't timely appeal the injunction and this thing can get underway. 

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There are various ways to keep a trial court judgment from taking effect during appeal.  Given the history of this case, I think it's reasonable to expect that those will be explored.  In full.

 

With all due respect to the appellate courts, it typically takes a year or two, and sometimes more, for a case to wind its way through them.  Every once in a while, though, even on the civil side, there's a case that takes on what seems to be a Dickensian life span.

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For what its worth, it looks like the city finally issued a building permit

 

http://houstontx.gov/planning/Publications/listsrv/WebeReport.html

77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007638      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 21     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (MASTER OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007639      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 1     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR ( 2 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007641      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 3     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (3 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007643      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 6     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (4 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007645      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 7     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (5 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007646      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 8     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (6 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007647      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 9     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (7 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007648      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 10     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (8 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007649      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 11     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (9 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007650      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 12     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (10 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007651      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 13     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (11 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007652      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 14     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (12 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007653      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 15     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (13 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007655      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 16     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (14 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007656      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 17     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (15 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007658      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 18     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR ( 16 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007660      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 19     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR ( 17 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007662      1717 BISSONNET ST FL 20     NEW APARTMENTS 1-21-1-R2-A 2006 IBC 100 % SPR (18 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007664      1717 BISSONNET ST     ( CORE /COMMON AREA)FOR APARTMENTS 1-21-1-SH-A 100% SPR( 19 OF 26)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007671      1717 BISSONNET ST 100     NEW RESTAURANT SHELL 1-21-1-SH-A 100% SPR 2006 IBC 20 OF 26
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007674      1717 BISSONNET ST 110     NEW RESTAURANT SHELL 1-21-1-SH-A 100% SPR 2006 IBC 20 OF 26
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007677      1717 BISSONNET ST 120     NEW APARTMENT (PUMP ROOM) (22 OF 26 )
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007678      1717 BISSONNET ST 130     NEW APARTMENT (GENERATOR ROOM)( 23 OF 26 )
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007679      1717 BISSONNET ST GARAG     NEW OPEN PARKING GARAGE 1-21-1-S2/R2-A 100% SPR ( 24 OF 26 )
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007683      1717 BISSONNET ST 600     NEW APARTMENT (LEASING OFFICE)1-21-1-B/R2-A 100% SPR ( 25 OF 26 )
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007684      1717 BISSONNET ST     NEW APARTMENT (HEATED AREAS IN ROOF)
77005     2014/09/18     Building Pmt    13007698      1717 BISSONNET ST 610     NEW APARTMENT (CLUB ROOM/AMENITIES)1-21-1-A3/R2-A ( 26 OF 26 )

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The sure did this entirely piecemeal. Just for grins, what do you think would happen if the city only permitted Floors 2,3,5,7,10,12,16 and 19? :P

 

 

I think under the constitution that would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment...

 

I know that o' was making a funny, but I could see how some floors might be approved and others not - for example, some floors getting rejected for not having enough electrical outlets on a wall of a unit style found on those floors, but not others. :huh:  

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The sure did this entirely piecemeal. Just for grins, what do you think would happen if the city only permitted Floors 2,3,5,7,10,12,16 and 19? :P

It's a risk, although small since most floors are probably alike, but this makes it easier to get partial certificates of occupancy and thus move in people early.

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Can anyone shed some light on how the relationship with the general contractor works on a project like this?  Have the labor/material costs been already been pre-agreed to?  The reason I ask is that I imagine these kind of projects have very detailed ROI models.  Does every month of delay mean that the labor and material costs are also rising given the shortages we are hearing about on other projects around town?

 

On the flip side, I'm assuming the future rentals rate projections ($/month/sq ft) are probably rising as well.

 

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Can anyone shed some light on how the relationship with the general contractor works on a project like this? Have the labor/material costs been already been pre-agreed to? The reason I ask is that I imagine these kind of projects have very detailed ROI models. Does every month of delay mean that the labor and material costs are also rising given the shortages we are hearing about on other projects around town?

On the flip side, I'm assuming the future rentals rate projections ($/month/sq ft) are probably rising as well.

Of course, if they wait too long, it will be 1983 all over again and the building won't be built. But the next land owners may turn the land into a homeless shelter/pawn shop/half way house.

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Of course, if they wait too long, it will be 1983 all over again and the building won't be built. But the next land owners may turn the land into a homeless shelter/pawn shop/half way house.

That won't happen unless the real estate values of the neighborhood fall into the toilet and never recover (and that permanently ruined a lot of neighborhoods)

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Any news at all on this? I drive by it several times a day. I think the window for it to be profitable is starting to close with all the other high rise projects in the works.

 

Agree. When this was first proposed I was excited to see Houston get another high rise. I didn't care about the neighborhood. Having something you may not like being built next to you is the risk and price ANYONE might have to pay for the privilege living in Houston (especially the inner city).

But now, there so many other, much more interesting high rises going up in much more appropriate areas of the city, that I wouldn't miss this tower at all if got cancelled.

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