strickn Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 On Tuesday, March 21st, 2006, KinkaidAlum posted: "The antenna at One Shell Plaza reaches to around 1,000 feet. There are several photos on emporis.com that show the antenna to reach almost the exact same height as Wells Fargo. The one building that has always confused me is the St Luke's Medical Tower. It's official height is listed at 316 feet. Apparently, the needle spires aren't counted in the height, but even without them, 316 feet seems way too short. Especially when you consider that the nearby Marriott Hotel is listed at 265 feet. There's NO WAY St Luke's is only 51 feet taller than the Marriott even without the spires!" I checked this out from multiple angles tonight. The question is not whether or not St Luke's is over 316 feet; it is whether or not (including spires) it is under or over 440'. With the spires I am certain that it is no shorter than the recent Memorial Hermann Medical Plaza. Edit: skyscraperpage and E______ both quote 316/25st., but Baylor College of Medicine says 29 storeys. The architect's website doesn't indicate one way or the other, saying only, "The Tower is a sophisticated, state-of-the-art medical facility and teaching hospital which captures the spirit and character of Houston and the adjacent Texas Medical Center. Twin octagonal towers respond to this dual frontage and help define the urban environment. The circular roofs and spires bring each tower to a dynamic terminus." There's a nice picture, though, of St Luke's as the only building visible from Hermann Park. A much more personable presence than the hulking Memorial Hermann. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strickn Posted August 10, 2007 Author Share Posted August 10, 2007 Since no one seems to know, I would be grateful to anyone who would take a fun little trip down to the area with a friend and a tape measure, measure them and stand them so that the top of their head perfectly aligns with the tip of St Luke's, and then construct like triangles and figure out the height. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 OMG! You are desparate. Tape measures? Geometry? Sorry, man (or gal...your profile doesn't specify) i looked at several info. sites yesterday and they only give the height to the roof. I am not sure why they don't include the spires. Both Emporis and Skyscraperpage were not forthcoming on the height of the spires. Very peculiar. Anyway, i will keep looking for you. I like a challenge, and i am a tenacious little bugger. m. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Well, i have searched for over an hour now. The only thing i could find was a blurb in HoustonArchitecture which stated that the highrise appears to be taller than it really is. They still maintain that it is 25 storeys. How did you get 29?? Also, when it says they incorporated the parking structure into the design, does that mean that Pelli built on top of it or was the 9 storey structure a part of the 25 (29) storeys?? I wonder why articles are so hush-hush regarding the spires' height? That is sort of weird. A collosal oversight or something else? hmmmm. m. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strickn Posted August 10, 2007 Author Share Posted August 10, 2007 If the parking floors are counted in the 25, then it would be shorter than expected on paper. Still doesn't explain the visual part - why it appears not to be any shorter than Memorial Hermann Medical Plaza from so many distant sideways vantage points where perspective should not make much of a difference. Thanks for looking. I designed an instrument to read me off building heights, but I won't be able to put it together until after I finish writing my thesis paper, so I probably won't get to make my own measurement until Christmas. I just answered your question over in the other hospital high-rise thread. Good subjects we've got here.Neil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 If the parking floors are counted in the 25, then it would be shorter than expected on paper. Still doesn't explain the visual part - why it appears not to be any shorter than Memorial Hermann Medical Plaza from so many distant sideways vantage points where perspective should not make much of a difference. Thanks for looking. I designed an instrument to read me off building heights, but I won't be able to put it together until after I finish writing my thesis paper, so I probably won't get to make my own measurement until Christmas. I just answered your question over in the other hospital high-rise thread. Good subjects we've got here.Neil Cool. Architect or engineer student? i wonder why the height of the spires is not given. That seems odd to me; especially when other buildings' spires and antenna heights ARE given. Weird. Anyway, good luck. Do you think the newest MH tower is the highest the MC will go? Or are they able to go even higher? (i mean in terms of FAA regulations, need for something that tall, etc.) m. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Since no one seems to know, I would be grateful to anyone who would take a fun little trip down to the area with a friend and a tape measure, measure them and stand them so that the top of their head perfectly aligns with the tip of St Luke's, and then construct like triangles and figure out the height. You know, for some reason, I figured you wanted the other person so you can push them off the top while they hold the tape measure. The crap that goes through my head at times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 no formal asking price yet...One of the city's most recognizable buildings has been put on the block.St. Luke's Episcopal Health System said today it is selling the O'Quinn Medical Tower at 6624 Fannin in the Texas Medical Center.The 28-story twin-towered structure — whose spires resemble a pair of hypodermic needles — was built by the Hines real estate firm in 1990 and designed by renowned architect Cesar Pelli.Selling the building will give the hospital system "additional financial resources to help St. Luke's strengthen its presence by renovating and expanding within the Texas Medical Center," St. Luke's said in a statement. It also said it is taking advantage of "a strong capital market."http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/5166565.html"The sale of real estate by nonprofit health care institutions has become an increasingly common strategy in recent years. The sale will provide additional financial resources to help St. Luke's strengthen its presence by renovating and expanding within the Texas Medical Center."http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories...24/daily30.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolie Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Hmm.. I wonder what they'd build to replace it? Hopefully something interesting in the TMC. We could use a 40+ story tower. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumber2 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Hmm.. I wonder what they'd build to replace it? Hopefully something interesting in the TMC. We could use a 40+ story tower.I hear St. Luke's needs the money to build their expansion project planned for the X-lot. X-lot is the small driveway between their current building, TMC Garage 1 and the Joint Linen Building. However, The Methodist Hospital still has them over a barrel that crimps these plans somewhat. These two institutions share the old Joint Linen building, with the property line running down the middle of it, but TMH has no reason to vacate it's portion to allow for the demolition needed to construct the current SLEH designed expansion. The Joint Linen Building also is structurally attached to the TMH Power Plant building, and one of TMH's cooling towers is actaully sitting on top of the SLEH portion of that building.It's a sticky mess with these two competitors. They rarely talk to each other expect with lawyers present. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strickn Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share Posted October 1, 2007 So perhaps this means that St. Luke's got the malpractice lawyer's donation but, almost as soon as the paint has dried this year, the new owner will go ahead and christen the tower something else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonmacbro Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Hmm.. I wonder what they'd build to replace it? Hopefully something interesting in the TMC. We could use a 40+ story tower.I thought I read they were going to sell it and then lease space back ... sounds counterintuitive, but I guess they are going to use the money to expand their real estate elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travelguy_73 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I thought I read they were going to sell it and then lease space back ... sounds counterintuitive, but I guess they are going to use the money to expand their real estate elsewhere.It does sound counterintuitive, but a leaseback is common in any industry where the owner has large capital requirements and needs to free up cash for future expansion while retaining use of the property. The transaction will also good for the buyer of the St. Lukes because they can pretty much count on the Health System being a long-term tenant, which makes financing the purchase that much easier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinFromTexas Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Your best bet for finding the height would be to contact the architect of the building. Or you could visit the building, call, or email the building's manager. They should know the heights. I'm an editor at Emporis, (for Austin), but I also look after other Texas cities. The St. Luke's height is one that has bugged me for years. I know that height is too short. It's just a matter of chasing down an accurate, official source for the height. The ones above should know it. If you get lucky with finding the height, please PM about it. I'd love to hear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Texas Children’s Hospital hires JLL to lease iconic Texas Medical Center tower https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2020/07/16/texas-childrens-hospital-jll-6624-fannin-tower.html Quote JLL will handle leasing for the iconic twin-spire tower in the Texas Medical Center, the commercial real estate firm said in a July 15 press release. The building, formerly called the O’Quinn Medical Tower, is at 6624 Fannin. Texas Children's Hospital acquired the building, along with the nearby Baylor Clinic Building, in 2016 from Baylor St. Luke’s Medical Center, a joint venture between Baylor College of Medicine and CHI St. Luke’s Health. At the time, Texas Children’s said it would lease back a portion of each building to Baylor College of Medicine and St. Luke’s Health through their joint venture until they complete their transition to the new Baylor St. Luke’s McNair Campus south of the Texas Medical Center. The LoopNet listing for 6624 Fannin Tower says St. Luke's Health is still a tenant in the building, and JLL's press release says the tower is home to nearly 30 institutional and private practices. When the deal was announced in 2016, Mark Wallace, CEO of Texas Children's Hospital, told the Houston Business Journal that it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 The twin hypodermic needles are probably getting sharpened and new paint. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JLWM8609 Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 2:32 PM, hindesky said: The twin hypodermic needles are probably getting sharpened and new paint. They swapped out the distinctive white strobe aircraft warning lights at the end of the needles with red LED lights that flash alternatively. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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strickn Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 On 8/14/2007 at 6:40 PM, ricco67 said: You know, for some reason, I figured you wanted the other person so you can push them off the top while they hold the tape measure. The crap that goes through my head at times. Just lean over the edge of the scaffolding for a sec... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highrise Tower Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Demolition permit for the two spires. Kind of sad to see. Wonder why they’re being removed? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbates2 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I hope they are putting new ones in, that is the best part of the building. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Probably just a needle exchange program. 1 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 The needles are gone. I hope they replace them. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 You can see the open holes in all the levels from here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Doesn't look like the needles will be replaced, they are in the process of taking down the scaffolding. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Having a hard time imagining that they wont be replaced. My theory is that they cut the old ones down into manageable pieces for removal and the replacements will be replaced in a full structure... by crane. But, it I haven't figured out why they aren't doing the removal and replacement, when they have the crane rented and in place. Just my theory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindesky Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Naviguessor said: Having a hard time imagining that they wont be replaced. My theory is that they cut the old ones down into manageable pieces for removal and the replacements will be replaced in a full structure... by crane. But, it I haven't figured out why they aren't doing the removal and replacement, when they have the crane rented and in place. Just my theory. It's going to take one hell of a crane to reach that high, the cost would be prohibited for just a couple of pipes. Not sure how much a helicopter cost vs. a crane but I would think it might be a whole lot cheaper. A crane that size would take about 1 1/2 days to build and that long to dismantle. Plus all the crew and trucks to bring all the parts. I just can't see them doing that. I work as a crane operator so I have a little knowledge in the business. I took a few pics of this crane at the Lyric Center building a few years ago, it had a reach of 450' but he was changing out chillers that cool the whole building. A very critical part of the building that they have to have or all the tenants would move out. As you can see it also takes a secondary crane to help assemble the big crane. I think the O'Quinn is probably taller than the Lyric so the amount of crane necessary would be greater. I just don't see them spending the money for just 2 pipes that are just cosmetic. But maybe that is why medical costs are so outrageous, they spend money like drunken sailor. I would love to see the needles back on but I just don't see it happening with a crane. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLWM8609 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Ugh. Anybody know why they decided to remove the spires? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naviguessor Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1. They are being turned into epipen injectors? 2. needed the needles to vaccinate India. 3. Removed because they were sending the wrong message about intravenous drug use. 4. ... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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