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Burj Dubai -- World's tallest and still going

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So what would you call a heriditary premiership and presidency?

A legislative monarchy, similar to Britain, The Netherlands, Belgium, and a dozen other countries. I don't think anyone in their right mind considers Queen Elizabeth or Queen Beatrix to be dictators.

Again, the UAE is not a Western nation. It has its own laws, customs, culture, and traditions. It is trying hard to Westernize. It's come farther in 20 years than the United States did in 200. Just because its government isn't a mirror of Washington, DC doesn't make it a dictatorship.

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It's come farther in 20 years than the United States did in 200.

That's one very odd way to look at it. Too bad it makes zero sense.

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So what would you call a heriditary premiership and presidency?

So let's just go along to get along. That's the "American Way." Except if we hadn't always been the antithesis to tyranny we would have remained in the niche's cave along with the UAE's dictatorial monarchy.

I always find it amazing how willing some are to give up freedom for the temporary comfort of tyranny.

Actually, on this point I agree with you, nmainguy. A hereditarily-based monarchy is pretty much a dictatorship. ...but that doesn't mean that every single dictator is a bad dictator. The big problem with dictatorships is that the good ones eventually die, and replacing them with other good ones can be difficult. In the long run, political volatility and eventually revolution is inevitable without reforms being made whereby one of the good dictators voluntarily surrenders a bit of power at a time.

...now as far as my "cave," I just don't really understand what you're getting at. Please clarify.

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This whole argument about dictators and such is a complete waste of time. To me it sounds like this criticism comes from a people who increasingly feel marginalized in world affairs.

Nope. The resources being misallocated to a single tall building that serves the same function as many less expensive smaller buildings side-by-side could've been given back to the people in the form of tax breaks/refunds, social services, infrastructure, parks, etc., or the saved funds could've just been invested in a permanent fund with proceeds are given to the people or used to reduce taxes.

The opportunity cost of the scale of the Burj is great. For enduring that, I pity the people of the U.A.E.

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The guest workers in Dubai have much better treatment on paper than the (illegal) guest workers of the USA.

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The guest workers in Dubai have much better treatment on paper than the (illegal) guest workers of the USA.

US illegals are just that: Illegals-not guests. They have the freedom to come and go. They have the freedom to not live in labor camps. They have the freedom to assimilate if they so choose and to become citizens if they so choose. Of course those in Dubai could have choosen to not enter into what amounts to indentured servantship...but they did. Shame on them. It's stupid to compare the two groups as equal regarding rights.

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The ones in Dubai come as Guest Workers. They are Guests. They are guaranteed certain things:

$1/HR

Free Health Care

Free Living Quarters

It is true that they get treated like crap, but thats a social problem. All South Asians get treated like crap by Arabs.

Why did i relate them to US Illegals? Because unlike the US, the UAE recognizes these guest workers. On the other hand, the US government has a good estimation of how many illegals live in their country and of what sector these illegals find jobs. Im sure the federal government discusses these things and realizes the benefits illegals pose to the US economy.

As for the "indentured servants" in Dubai, they chose to enter into this deal because they saw some benefit. This is the face of Capitalism.

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The guest workers in Dubai have much better treatment on paper than the (illegal) guest workers of the USA.

If you are illegal, you aren't a GUEST.

Guests would be those with work visas and green cards.

Thank you

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I've always found it curious that the United States and other top tier nations don't have guest worker programs, while nations like Hong Kong, China, U.A.E., Singapore and others do.

Anyway -- please keep this thread on topic. If you want to talk about guest worker programs, start a thread in Off Topic.

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If you are illegal, you aren't a GUEST.

Guests would be those with work visas and green cards.

Thank you

Atypical by-the-book thinking.

Anywho, Dubai will only grow so much until investors realize Abu Dhabi, Kuwait, Doha and Muscat are nearby and equally willing to attract investors.

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Burj Dubai is being featured on Discovery Channel's "Really Big Things" as well as other amenities in Dubai such as the indoor skiing. Should be a rerun later on tonight and a second showing later in the month. Check listings.

That thing is massive.

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Burj Dubai is being featured on Discovery Channel's "Really Big Things" as well as other amenities in Dubai such as the indoor skiing. Should be a rerun later on tonight and a second showing later in the month. Check listings.

That thing is massive.

Thanks for the heads up.

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Burj Dubai is being featured on Discovery Channel's "Really Big Things" as well as other amenities in Dubai such as the indoor skiing. Should be a rerun later on tonight and a second showing later in the month. Check listings.

That thing is massive.

I meant to post a note about National Geographic Channel. On Sunday, they had a 3-hour block of shows on the mega structures being built in Dubai. The first hour was on The Palm development. The second was on The World. I forget what the 3rd hour was on.

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Just curious -- why the yawn? As recently as 10 years ago or so, a structure like this was impossible. Just a few years ago, it was thought impossible for socioeconomic reasons. It really puts it into perspective when it reaches the height of the world's tallest and still has over 1000 feet to go. It's equal to placing a JPM Chase building on top of the Sears Tower.

I'd be interested to see what people here think the political implications of such a project in an Arab country are. I'd also like to know what this means to future urban planning and building design. Can you imagine the safety engineering that would be required for such a structure here in the US? Can you imagine what it would do to Houston's urban core if the parking and transportation, electrical and plumbing, approaches to airports, financial, occupancy, etc. concerns all had to be addressed here?

Is there a city outside maybe NY or Chicago in North America that could support such a building? Could they really?

I'd think if any group would be interested in talking about this, it would be an architecture group.

I don't get the yawn either. There is no way that a structure like that would be able to be built in Houston. Way too much air traffic,I'm pretty sure

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I don't get the yawn either. There is no way that a structure like that would be able to be built in Houston. Way too much air traffic,I'm pretty sure

I remember something I read on the FFA site or something that the FFA has no jurisdiction over airspace and the pilot has to beware of tall objects. I could be wrong though.

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I remember something I read on the FFA site or something that the FFA has no jurisdiction over airspace and the pilot has to beware of tall objects. I could be wrong though.

They do have jurisdiction under certain conditions. Of course pilots have to be aware of tall buildings,and you will notice alot of the taller buildings there in Houston are required to have like beacons on the top. We also have as you know,major fog issues regarding the Hobby Airport in particular. Besides,these buildings are way too cool to be trapped amongst alot of other structures. That's just my opinion of course.

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Just a question as I saw some of the newer pictures of this construction site.

While watching a number of construction photos and projects around Houston, the Tower Cranes are generally up against the buildings along the side. The deconstruction of the cranes are fairly obvious (but not something I'd like to do). But the thing I noticed on the Burj Dubai is that it seemed like the cranes(three of them) were actually on TOP of the structure itself.

This puzzled me to no end as to how in the world they're going to remove these structures. I seriously doubt if a Helicopter will be able to do it. I wish I had a still to how to describe it better.

Anyone have a clue as to how they're going to do it?

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These pictures were taken a few days ago. They're from Burj Dubai Skyscraper. I cleaned them up a bit for Glass Steel and Stone.

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Emirates Today is now saying 2,683 feet or 818 meters for the final height.

I also noticed that the number of floors is down to 189 from 200.

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Wow! It's like twice as tall (or more) than any of the surrounding buildings.

On a side note, I've heard that a lot of the buildings that are going up in China (and other countries) look great on the outside, but the insides look cheap and unrefined. I doubt that is the case with this building, but has anyone else heard of anything like that?

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Wow! It's like twice as tall (or more) than any of the surrounding buildings.

On a side note, I've heard that a lot of the buildings that are going up in China (and other countries) look great on the outside, but the insides look cheap and unrefined. I doubt that is the case with this building, but has anyone else heard of anything like that?

News to me. I've been in about 30 skyscrapers in China, and they're always as gorgeous on the inside as the outside.

I will say that buildings, including skyscrapers, seem to wear harder in China. I don't know if it's the materials used or poor maintenance or what, but some buildings in China that are only 10-20 years old look more like they're approaching 100.

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News to me. I've been in about 30 skyscrapers in China, and they're always as gorgeous on the inside as the outside.

I will say that buildings, including skyscrapers, seem to wear harder in China. I don't know if it's the materials used or poor maintenance or what, but some buildings in China that are only 10-20 years old look more like they're approaching 100.

Interior or exterior? If you're talking about the exteriors, I would guess that severe air pollution has something to do with it.

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What's the latest on this? Have they stopped going vertical?

wikipedia usually keeps a good update on the building status....but the last update was October 24 at 156 stories and 585.7m tall, but a builder had confirmed it would be at least 700m tall, so it probably just needs to be updated

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wikipedia usually keeps a good update on the building status....but the last update was October 24 at 156 stories and 585.7m tall, but a builder had confirmed it would be at least 700m tall, so it probably just needs to be updated

Don't you just hate it when free stuff is not updated!

I know I do.

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US illegals are just that: Illegals-not guests. They have the freedom to come and go. They have the freedom to not live in labor camps. They have the freedom to assimilate if they so choose and to become citizens if they so choose. Of course those in Dubai could have choosen to not enter into what amounts to indentured servantship...but they did. Shame on them. It's stupid to compare the two groups as equal regarding rights.

Oh, I couldn't resist responding to this nonsense. Illegal workers in the US have no rights whatsoever to come and go. If they are caught on the border, they will be detained and deported. In fact, INS /ICE officer can detain and arrest an illegal alien anywhere in the US without a cause (even if the person committed no crime) and deport him, even if the person has children who are US citizen and will be left without a father/mother due deportation. Repeat offender can be sentenced to 4 years prison. They don't have freedom to become citizen. What kind of nonsenical claim is that? Where did you get that? Dubai is a billion times better. The people come to work there on there own for the simple reason they make can make more money. They are legal guest workers and know what they are getting into.

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I spent a few minutes staring at that thing while waiting for a taxi on Oud Metha Road last night. From a distance, it doesn't even look like a real building. It looks more like an out-of-scale smokestack.

There are still cranes on top of it, so they're still going vertical.

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This puzzled me to no end as to how in the world they're going to remove these structures. I seriously doubt if a Helicopter will be able to do it. I wish I had a still to how to describe it better.

I've seen it done two ways on 2000' towers in the US. Helicopter and lower it down piece by piece (the latter is more common). When you lower it down piece by piece there are cables dedicated to holding it away from the tower.

Jason

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