telwink Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 A friend of mine pointed out the questionable nature (althouth not for the first half+ of 20th century Texas) of the bar in the corners. Does anybody know where this picture was taken, or anything about the bar? ~ http://www.cah.utexas.edu/db/dmr/image_lg....iable=e_bb_1832 I did a google search for "Abe & Pappy's," and ebay comes up with lots of that 1920s 'black-face' stuff, and a cached listing for an "Abe & Pappy's Cabaret - Dallas," but nothing specific about Houston. Heck, that may not have even been the name of the place, I'm just judging from the name above the bar. b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 i wonder if that is really the name of the bar, too...will check city directories this evening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmariar Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Don't know if this will help y'all in figuring it out, but I remembered the photo from the CAH site, and that there were two copies with different titles/info. Here is the other copy. It has a 1942 date on it, and the title is "Rogers Gano, beer taverns, Aragon Ballroom; Beer & bars". "Rogers Gano" (or maybe "Rogers-Gano") appears to be someone for whom the photographer was taking advertising photos (see here). There are obviously several "Grand Prize" related photographs in the collection, too, and so I assume he was doing some advertising work for them as well. There are other photos of what appear to be different bars in the same collection that have that same title, so I don't think that this particular one is likely just a photo of a bar within the Aragon Ballroom (see also here) but that's a possibility. Note the photos on the wall that you can see in the reflection of the mirror - those make it seem like a well-established place.Speaking of which - I hadn't done a search on the bar name yet. But look at this. It suggests Abe & Pappy's was an "entertainment venue" at Rusk and Fannin. If I had time, I'd include the photos of the menu and not just the link, so that they won't disappear - maybe someone else will do so.Good luck finding out more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 (edited) the aragon was directly behind the montagu hotel (hotel cotton)here is a picture of the fire that occurred there (from the montagu's site):http://www.hotelcotton.com/images/hotelcot...0background.jpgthere is some talk of the aragon ballroom on this thread:http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/i...?showtopic=5694ooh...and those photos of the menu:http://i17.tinypic.com/4visa5w.jpghttp://i12.tinypic.com/4lp6wp5.jpg Edited July 18, 2007 by sevfiv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmariar Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 ooh...and those photos of the menu:http://i17.tinypic.com/4visa5w.jpghttp://i12.tinypic.com/4lp6wp5.jpgThanks for posting those - they were ebay photos, so I figured they'd disappear soon otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nativehou Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 My father remembers this bar being advertised in the 40s in the (original) Houston Press. He's checking with others to see what they remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatSleepMOD Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 This is a very cool thread. I absolutely love all the pics AND I love how you can come on here with "long shots" forquestions and get answers. It is something to see the Hotel Cotton. How times change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telwink Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) This is a very cool thread. I absolutely love all the pics AND I love how you can come on here with "long shots" forquestions and get answers. It is something to see the Hotel Cotton. How times change. I completely and strongly agree. The information provided thus far in this thread is phenomenal - thanks to all who have contributed, and those who have expressed interest. As you can tell from my posting history, I'm a relatively new member to this forum, but I've trolled it for a long time now. I'm a History graduate from the University of Houston, and I work for the Criminal Justice System now, and love looking at and researching all the time capsules around this city; from the Astroworld Hotel all the way to the old support beams you can still see sticking up out of the water underneath the Smith Street bridge over the bayou on the north west side of downtown. Thanks guys! Oh, and here's a linkless pair of those cool ebay pictures; thanks for posting them earlier in the thread. Edited July 19, 2007 by Bengiann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevfiv Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 i (quickly) looked in the directories and found nothing.i have 1932, 1955, and 1976 which doesn't help if this was in the forties and maybe not that long-lived... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJones Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 i (quickly) looked in the directories and found nothing.i have 1932, 1955, and 1976 which doesn't help if this was in the forties and maybe not that long-lived...Sev, I think it had to be part of the Aragon somehow. Perhaps it was Abe & Pappy's BEFORE it became The Aragon ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isuredid Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 (edited) Sev, I think it had to be part of the Aragon somehow. Perhaps it was Abe & Pappy's BEFORE it became The Aragon ?I was at the library today so I looked in the directories for 1938, 1941, 1942, 1943 and I never saw "Abe and Pappy's". I looked both under the name, under bars, under restaurants, and under Dance Halls and never saw a listing. I also looked at the streets directory for the area around Fannin and Rusk and struck out there too. The only thing I saw in that area that looked like a club was the Aragon Ballroom.Apparently there are some photos from inside the place in the Milt Larkin collection. I found this after I had left the libraryMilt Larkin Collection Edited July 21, 2007 by isuredid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatSleepMOD Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Apparently there are some photos from inside the place in the Milt Larkin collection. I found this after I had left the libraryMilt Larkin CollectionI stumbled across that list doing a google image search the other day.I think I will have to take a trip to the library to see some of thosepics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatSleepMOD Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 The Milt Larkin Band at the Rhumboogie Club, Chicago, 1942. Players as identified by Larkin, from the left: Cedric Haywood (piano); Lawrence Cato (bass); Milt Larkin (trumpet, leader); Alvin Burroughs (drums); trumpets: Calvin Ladnier, Clarence Trice, Jesse Miller; trombones: Arnett Sparrow, Streamline Williams; saxes: Frank Dominguez (tenor); "Ernest Archey" (alto on this occasion); Moses Gant (tenor); Sam Player (alto and baritone). Photo courtesy of Richie Dell Thomas; caption provided by Otto Fl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Sev, I think it had to be part of the Aragon somehow. Perhaps it was Abe & Pappy's BEFORE it became The Aragon ?with the line ups of various orchestras and bands, i'm sure it was a ballroom. you'd need all the space you can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telwink Posted July 22, 2007 Author Share Posted July 22, 2007 (edited) I was at the library today so I looked in the directories for 1938, 1941, 1942, 1943 and I never saw "Abe and Pappy's". I looked both under the name, under bars, under restaurants, and under Dance Halls and never saw a listing. I also looked at the streets directory for the area around Fannin and Rusk and struck out there too. The only thing I saw in that area that looked like a club was the Aragon Ballroom.Apparently there are some photos from inside the place in the Milt Larkin collection. I found this after I had left the libraryMilt Larkin CollectionWow, that's an interesting find! I'm going to try to swing by the library this week. If I can get there, I'll post a few of these pictures. Edited July 22, 2007 by Bengiann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatSleepMOD Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 Wow, that's an interesting find! I'm going to try to swing by the library this week. If I can get there, I'll post a few of these pictures. Oh yay!! Thanks. I love history and I love big band music! According to my research this band never did record... :closedeyes: but, the fact that there are pics is awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isuredid Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 A bit off topic, but I did some digging on Milt Larkin. He was born in Navasota and his father was also a Milton Larkin. When his father died, his mother Ella moved to Houston. I found them in the 1920 census living at 80 Gable Street (McKee) in Frostown. It looks like this was a boading house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatSleepMOD Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 A bit off topic, but I did some digging on Milt Larkin. He was born in Navasota and his father was also a Milton Larkin. When his father died, his mother Ella moved to Houston. I found them in the 1920 census living at 80 Gable Street (McKee) in Frostown. It looks like this was a boading house.Very cool info! I am going to check that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isuredid Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 I looked in the 1943 phone book instead of the City Directory: I could only get one half-way decent photo because they were glossy and a lot of glare: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telwink Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 I've been out of town for a while, so I haven't really had a chance to keep an eye on this thread for quite some time, but wow! Excellent find, Isuredid! I think we can call this thread a success.Sorry to bump this because I'm sure its old news now, but I appreciate everyone's help and input in bringing this case to a close. b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo58 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 The photos of the couples Jitterbugging is fantastic! Very rare for this forum.The band needs to be acknowledged under Topic: Bands & orchestra's of Houston past! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrbo Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Here's some more Abe and Pappy... unsure if it's Houston or elsewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenaE Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Wow, what great photos & matchbook covers... thanks for sharing everyone...(yet again - another site I haven't seen before on HAIF). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lorino Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 I have a photo of my parents at Abe and Pappy's Club located at 1106 Rusk in Houston. I haven't been able to post a picture because it says the file is too big. It says they have two big floor shows nightly. Wish I could post the folder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) I have a photo of my parents at Abe and Pappy's Club located at 1106 Rusk in Houston. I haven't been able to post a picture because it says the file is too big. It says they have two big floor shows nightly. Wish I could post the folder. Upload it to an external image host eg: http://imgur.com/ and provide us with the link. Edited June 14, 2015 by SpaceGhost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lorino Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 On 6/14/2015 at 2:38 AM, SpaceGhost said: Upload it to an external image host eg: http://imgur.com/ and provide us with the link. I tried that , but couldn't get singed up. Abe and Pappy's (2).tif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 22 hours ago, bob lorino said: I tried that , but couldn't get singed up. Abe and Pappy's (2).tif Just click and drag the file onto the site. You don't need to sign up. Here's the image you attached, uploaded to Imgur. http://imgur.com/a/aXYk6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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