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musicman    178

The sugar company's distinctive red brick tower

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Jeebus    87

This is awesome for SL. I know I'm going to be in the market in 7 to 10 years for a new home. I had all my eggs in the Telfair basket, but I'd love even more to live behind the char-house.

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amdave    0

wow - SL continues to develop at a remarkable pace. The companies moving to the area is also a positive sign - the future seems bright and it will soon no longer be a suburb alone but a sister city.

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TheNiche    961
wow - SL continues to develop at a remarkable pace. The companies moving to the area is also a positive sign - the future seems bright and it will soon no longer be a suburb alone but a sister city.

Not really. Sugar Land propper is only so large and all but a few infill tracts have already been developed or are being developed. Once this and Telfair are built out, there's just not all that much room for Sugar Land to grow, except up...but for the most part, I'd think that Richmond/Rosenberg/Pleak will just become the next in line.

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Jeebus    87
Not really. Sugar Land propper is only so large and all but a few infill tracts have already been developed or are being developed. Once this and Telfair are built out, there's just not all that much room for Sugar Land to grow, except up...but for the most part, I'd think that Richmond/Rosenberg/Pleak will just become the next in line.

There's plenty of unincorporated land to the north & west that SL has their eye on. So they still have the potential to grow "out" as well.

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TheNiche    961
There's plenty of unincorporated land to the north & west that SL has their eye on. So they still have the potential to grow "out" as well.

To the north is the City of Houston and its ETJ. They can go west, but at some point, they and Richmond will come up against each other, and that area is really ramping up anyway, especially with Aliana now under development. In the long term (if they decide to go with large-scale annexation) they'll be hemmed in...except to the south, across the Brazos River and down toward Thompsons.

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Jeebus    87

I'm talking about the area south of Airport Drive and west of SH 6. Neighborhoods like Village of Oak Lake, Pheasant Creek, Summerfield, Orchard Lakes, Chelsea Harbor, New Territory, Riverpark, & Greatwood. Those are all in the Sugar Land ETJ.

I really doubt Sugar Land wants any of the crap north of Airport anyway, with exception to Aliana. Neighborhoods like Woodbridge and Kingsbridge will be forever associated with and lost to neighborhoods like Mission Bend, Towne West, and Eaglewood Hell, I know FBISD would gladly give away our corner of the ISD to ANYONE willing to take the future inter-racial quagmire off their hands.

I'd be curious to see what Richmond & Rosenberg's plans are. I known that at FM1464 & FM1093 I have a Richmond address, even though I'm a good 20 minutes away from the city limits.

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TheNiche    961
I'm talking about the area south of Airport Drive and west of SH 6. Neighborhoods like Village of Oak Lake, Pheasant Creek, Summerfield, Orchard Lakes, Chelsea Harbor, New Territory, Riverpark, & Greatwood. Those are all in the Sugar Land ETJ.

I really doubt Sugar Land wants any of the crap north of Airport anyway, with exception to Aliana. Neighborhoods like Woodbridge and Kingsbridge will be forever associated with and lost to neighborhoods like Mission Bend, Towne West, and Eaglewood Hell, I know FBISD would gladly give away our corner of the ISD to ANYONE willing to take the future inter-racial quagmire off their hands.

I'd be curious to see what Richmond & Rosenberg's plans are. I known that at FM1464 & FM1093 I have a Richmond address, even though I'm a good 20 minutes away from the city limits.

Yep, and those neighborhoods that you mentioned (Village of Oak Lake, Pheasant Creek, Summerfield, Orchard Lakes, Chelsea Harbor, New Territory, Riverpark, & Greatwood) are rapidly filling in that area. But they aren't very high density, and the land area that we're talking about is large, but it isn't really all that enormous. Right now, Pasadena is Houston's second city (2005 pop. = 143,852). Sugar Land is a little more than half that, at 75,754. I don't see sweeping demographic change in Sugar Land's forseeable future, major annexations (even where possible) are highly questionable, and apartment development isn't quite that rapid. So that's that. Honestly, I forsee a situation in which League City (2005 pop. = 61,490) comes from behind and tops Sugar Land for population. They've got plenty of land west of I-45 that's still vacant and for which many plans are in the works. Once the Grand Parkway is run through there, and especially if HCTRA is able to build a tollway from Spur 5 to Alvin, League City's fate is sealed. They're it. In the very long term, they may be able to overtake Pasadena. ...but in the very long term, lots of things are possible.

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amdave    0

No way - I live in League City and while development here is good it is nowhere near the pace of Sugar Land.

Telfair is a massive development and Riverstone will have a large section within Sugar Land.

No to mention the UH campus coming to SL and the Brazos river park. My father works for Bechtel and they are opening a large office in Sugar Land.

I enjoy League City but would move to SL in a second if I could afford a house there.

SL is one of the fastest growing cities in Texas, and the future is bright.

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TheNiche    961
No way - I live in League City and while development here is good it is nowhere near the pace of Sugar Land.

Telfair is a massive development and Riverstone will have a large section within Sugar Land.

No to mention the UH campus coming to SL and the Brazos river park. My father works for Bechtel and they are opening a large office in Sugar Land.

I enjoy League City but would move to SL in a second if I could afford a house there.

SL is one of the fastest growing cities in Texas, and the future is bright.

The UH campus is serving a very large area, most of which is beyond the Sugar Land city limits. It is an asset, sure, but it sits on land that will not be populated, so in some ways it is more of a hinderance to Sugar Land's residential expansion than a boon. Bechtel's large office is not relevant to long term growth in any part of the region.

Are you familiar by any chance with the large development that'll be just west of Bay Colony Town Center? Big stuff, and its far from the only land in currently in play, but the land that it takes is only a fraction of what is available in LC. Do you realize that the LC city limits stretch from SH 146 to Alvin city limits (within about 3/4 mile of SH 35)? Lots of land. Texas City is pretty well positioned in terms of land, as well.

And just to be clear, I'm talking about municipalities, not general market areas that encompass huge parts of counties or entire school districts the way that Musicmen usually label "cities". And by the way, I'm not saying that the future for any city is not bright or remarking on the quality of life of these areas. I'm just talking about population counts, vacant developable land, and city limits. It is assumed, I think properly so, that these areas will continue to grow.

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amdave    0

Actually - I live in Bay Colony. I have seen all the development here since I purchased this house in 2003. Yes, there are major new shops going up here. This is a small area of League City, however, and is well positioned close to the freeway.

Bay Colony is technically in League City, but most would consider it closer to Dickinson. Many of us have Dickinson postal addresses.

There certainly room for growth here, and I do not mind living here right now. But, Sugar Land is so much better in every way. The homes are nicer, the people living there are wealthier, the area is better developed and booming, and it is closer to Houston. SL also has a lot of land, especially along the Brazos river for development.

I would say a lot of the development here in Bay Colony is being driven by people who work in Galveston but do not want to live there, and commute everyday. I know very few people who live here who work in downtown Houston.

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TheNiche    961
Actually - I live in Bay Colony. I have seen all the development here since I purchased this house in 2003. Yes, there are major new shops going up here. This is a small area of League City, however, and is well positioned close to the freeway.

Bay Colony is technically in League City, but most would consider it closer to Dickinson. Many of us have Dickinson postal addresses.

There certainly room for growth here, and I do not mind living here right now. But, Sugar Land is so much better in every way. The homes are nicer, the people living there are wealthier, the area is better developed and booming, and it is closer to Houston. SL also has a lot of land, especially along the Brazos river for development.

I would say a lot of the development here in Bay Colony is being driven by people who work in Galveston but do not want to live there, and commute everyday. I know very few people who live here who work in downtown Houston.

I've got family that lives up the road from you, in Bacliff, and my uncle has officed downtown for as long as I can remember. ...but I'll gladly grant you that he isn't typical, especially in his little nook of the world. On the other hand, while there is a pattern in effect for Galveston's workforce moving onto the mainland, that is only one employment center of many that influence demand for housing in League City. If you remind me, I'll run the Census commuter stats on Monday when I get to work and can tell you what percentage of folks in your area commute to Galveston or any other part of the Houston area. I expect there to be a lot of employees of NASA/Clear Lake, Texas City, central Houston, parts of the Ship Channel area, and even of the League City area itself, but we'll see.

As for quality of life, I wasn't talking about that. Me personally, I'd pay a premium to live in La Porte, Seabrook, Bayview, San Leon, Dickinson, Hitchcock, or Galveston, but would have to be given a discount to live in Sugar Land or most of League City. Just not my style. ...to each his own.

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TheNiche    961
If you remind me, I'll run the Census commuter stats on Monday when I get to work and can tell you what percentage of folks in your area commute to Galveston or any other part of the Houston area.

Ran the stats using the Census data. This thematic map uses bubbles to indicate the spatial distribution of jobs to which residents of League City commute.

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Galveston has some big dots, especially over UTMB, but the island still only accounts for 6.0% of all jobs, as indicated by the report below. For comparison's sake, 9.3% of all jobs are in the 77058 zip code, which encompasses a little bit more than the Johnson Space Center, and is mostly within the City of Houston. Downtown Houston accounts for 2.8% of all jobs. The City of Houston as a whole accounts for 35.4% of all jobs. Texas City accounts for 6.0% of all jobs. League City itself accounts for 11.3% of all jobs.

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Jeebus    87
Hey Aliana wont be part of SL I thought that was Richmond

I think Sugar Land has Aliana, along with Village of Oak Lake, Summerfield, Orchard Lakes, and all the other developments south of West Airport in its eventual annexation sights.

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Jeebus    87

The fact that DPZ is helping Southland design this community is going to make it worth every penny to live there. My wife and I are making serious considerations, especially since we've learned that DPZ is on board.

DPZ's website.

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jrc    15
I think Sugar Land has Aliana, along with Village of Oak Lake, Summerfield, Orchard Lakes, and all the other developments south of West Airport in its eventual annexation sights.

Just stumbled onto this conversation. I live in Orchard Lakes, which has a Sugar Land address, but is located within Houston's ETJ (if you need proof, check out our green street signs and "City of Houston" manhole covers). Same goes for Chelsea Harbor and all the other neighborhoods north of U.S. 90A (on the east side of FM 1464). Those on the west side, including Old Orchard and Aliana, are in Richmond. The only way any of these neighborhoods will be annexed by Sugar Land would be through some sort of ETJ swap. I wouldn't complain if that happened, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Jeebus    87
Just stumbled onto this conversation. I live in Orchard Lakes, which has a Sugar Land address, but is located within Houston's ETJ (if you need proof, check out our green street signs and "City of Houston" manhole covers). Same goes for Chelsea Harbor and all the other neighborhoods north of U.S. 90A (on the east side of FM 1464). Those on the west side, including Old Orchard and Aliana, are in Richmond. The only way any of these neighborhoods will be annexed by Sugar Land would be through some sort of ETJ swap. I wouldn't complain if that happened, but I'm not holding my breath.

Wow... after some digging, you are absolutely right. I misread this map when I had posted this originally.

I guess it was just wishful thinking. Looking at the map though, nothing on the Westside of FM1464 is in Richmond's ETJ - It's 100% Houston.

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jrc    15

Guess I should have said they have Richmond addresses. Technically, I think Orchard Lakes and Chelsea Harbor should have Richmond addresses, but I'm sure the developers pulled some strings with the Post Office when they first started building. Even the Chevron station located between the two subdivisions

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kennyc05    75

Lets say Sugar Land annexed Aliana it has Richmond address would sugar land want their address on there

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ChannelTwoNews    2,028

http://www.fortbendherald.com/articles/200...ry/topstory.txt

Old Imperial site plans have history's touch

By Stephen Palkot Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:15 PM CDT

Not even a slowing housing market and ongoing economic woes have stopped developers from speaking in the most glowing terms about plans to transform Sugar Land's Imperial Sugar refinery into a billion-dollar attraction on par with some of the most successful districts in the country.

For the CEO of Southern Land Corp., Tim Downey, that means going beyond the well-worn model of strip malls with national chain restaurants, homes built according to a handful of generic layouts and patches of "green" space squeezed in at the last minute.

Downey said he wants to see a multi-hundred acre community that could be a regional attraction and with a

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Fringe    327

Hard to believe they would invest to much while Nalco remains there. Wouldn't want to live right next to a chemical plant. Wasn't it just a couple of years ago that they had to evacuate the area because of a hazardous vapor cloud released from there?

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Pleak    139

Now that the minor-league stadium is up and running - things seem to finally be moving again on this project. All the ancillary buildings are gone - but they did leave quite a few of the older sugar factory buildings and cleaned them up. Which is really nice to see. The developer is talking of a boutique hotel, brew pub, trying to get a branch of the Children's Museum. We'll see what actually happens.

Couple of cool pics here at CultureMap:

http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/06-09-12-sugar-land-big-transformation-is-only-beginning-imperial-sugar-land-developers-reveal-more/

Right now the biggest news is still the hissy fit being thrown about the apartments that have been approved. Which is pretty freakin' hilarious considering that this is all right next to the Quarters. Which is where my wife's parents would drive her through back in the 70's when she was complaining about not getting something that all the other kids had. You know the drive to see how good you really have it.

And these goobers that bought new houses around there are complaining about how a few apartments will ruin their property values.

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Pleak    139

Not really. Sugar Land propper is only so large and all but a few infill tracts have already been developed or are being developed. Once this and Telfair are built out, there's just not all that much room for Sugar Land to grow, except up...but for the most part, I'd think that Richmond/Rosenberg/Pleak will just become the next in line.

Might be a few years late replying to this one, but since things are waking back up from the dead - maybe not.

Guy I used to work for about 15-20 years ago was a Sugar Land council member. Back then the projection was that Sugar Land was going to top out around 200-250,000. It was already hemmed in by Richmond, Rosenberg, Houston and Missouri City. And since it's a low-density city - they had a pretty good estimate even back then how many people they could squeeze in and what land they could use (i.e. - prison lands being sold off, etc).

He always said the big one was going to be Rosenberg. It went ape$4!t with it's ETJ annexation. It's annexed completely around Beasely down 59 and Pleak down 36. It will reach to Needville and Kendleton eventually. Down Highway 90 - there is nothing till you hit East Bernard. I think Richmond will run into Katy on the north end - and Fulshear out west - so it won't get as big. Pleak will be just a pimple on Rosenberg's butt - like a Southside Place or West U to Houston. And pretty much it's all developable land - just a bunch of cotton/corn fields - no wetlands, etc. Nothing to stop it.

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ChannelTwoNews    2,028

Looks like the Fort Bend Children's Discovery Center - the Children's Museum's satellite location - will be located here. For some reason, I thought it was going to be near the HMNS branch museum in Telfair.

 

Article on fundraising: http://www.fbherald.com/arts_and_entertainment/article_8d43516c-41a0-11e3-9390-001a4bcf887a.html

 

Discovery Center website: http://www.fortbendchildrensdc.org/

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Urbannizer    33,406

Imperial Development to Sugar Site to HIghlight Sugar Land's History

 

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/real-estate/article/Imperial-development-to-highlight-Sugar-Land-s-6376339.php

 

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In a broad sense, the new Imperial master-planned development in Sugar Land mimics the subdivisions around it. Luxury homes under construction line clean, wide streets. Fountains shoot water from otherwise placid ponds. The city's ubiquitous crown logo, a symbol of locally based Imperial Sugar, is a familiar sight around the development, too. This is, after all, the former home of the company's refinery, the one-time lifeblood of the community that put this town on the map.

 

But among the suburban sameness, a new commercial development there is poised to embrace the city's past and offer a uniqueness developers say will set it apart from the "town centers" and "mixed-use developments" in other Houston suburbs.

 

"Anyone can build a shopping center on a number of sites in Houston," said Geoffrey Jones, one of the developers of the project, Imperial Market. "This is not just a shopping center site."

 

The historic structures of the now-shuttered refinery will be restored and reused as signature features of the development, which will include upscale shopping and dining, along with a hotel, high-end office space and apartments. The Fort Bend Discovery Center and Sugar Land Heritage Foundation Museum will also be part of the project.

 

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Luminare    1,570

Really like the layout. Love the look overall! This could be a very unique place.

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Mab    1,704

 

 

The eight-story char house, built in 1925, will become a 120-room Aloft Hotel, part of a Starwood-owned chain of boutique hotels. An adjacent building with 10,000 square feet of conference space with a fitness center will also be developed

I really like that the new aloft hotels in the Houston area are incorporated in historical buildings!!

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Luminare    1,570

Will be a really one of a kind development. I'd drive down there just to see it.

 

Agreed. In this town thats saying something. I really really do not like that "museum" sign x.x yuck. That thing sticks out like a sore thumb. Other than that...I love the rest. Could use a little more residential, but this could actually a great place for Sugarland to centralize a little more.

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Naviguessor    1,441

Luminare...had the same reaction. Was scrolling through...saw that...scrolled back up and thought "eew". Then I thought "children's museum", then though "eew", again. I'm sure, or at least hoping, that it just represents the museum component.

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Luminare    1,570

Luminare...had the same reaction. Was scrolling through...saw that...scrolled back up and thought "eew". Then I thought "children's museum", then though "eew", again. I'm sure, or at least hoping, that it just represents the museum component.

 

Thats where I recognized it! They obviously ripped it from there and made some quick modifications in sketchup/photoshop. Its amazing how important context is. That same marquee works at Robert Venturi's Childrens Museum, but in this context its just completely out of place especially when everything else is so industrial.

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Mab    1,704

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Sugar Land's Imperial Market, the mixed-use development designed to incorporate the historic structures once used to refine sugar at the former Imperial Sugar plant, has snagged Alamo Drafthouse Cinema as its first major tenant.

Geoffrey Jones, one of the project's developers, said the retail portion of the project is nearly one-third preleased and falling oil prices have not hampered his efforts. Construction will start in March and be completed in the summer of 2017.

 

"Our project has been unscathed by what has been occurring in the energy industry," Jones said.

While other sectors of the commercial real estate market are slipping, Jones said Houston-area retail builders are in good shape because there's not a glut of available properties.

Alamo Drafthouse will be part of a newly constructed, two-story retail building. The Austin-based entertainment concept, which combines movies and dining, will have nine screens at its Imperial location. Triple Tap Ventures, which will run the theater, owns and operates two other Houston-area Alamo theaters. It's planning another in the Regent Square development slated for a site near Allen Parkway and Dunlavy.

Off U.S. 90 between Texas 6 and U.S. 59, Imperial Market is expected to have 275,000 square feet of retail space, 106,000-square feet of office space and a 185-room boutique hotel. Apartments are also part of the plan.

The size has been expanded slightly since the developers announced it in July. Otherwise, the character of the project has not changed, said Jones, referring to the property's historic structures set to be restored and reused, including storage silos, smokestacks and the eight-story char house. Jones is developing Imperial Market with James Murnane.

On Tuesday, Sugar Land City Council approved plans for the 26-acre development.

The project is the commercial hub of the 720-acre Imperial planned community, which is under construction and will have nearly 2,000 new homes when completed.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/columnists/sarnoff/article/Alamo-Drafthouse-expanding-to-Sugar-Land-6673931.php?t=6cee9504f4&cmpid=twitter-premium#photo-9056362

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Sugar Land's Imperial Market, the mixed-use development designed to incorporate the historic structures once used to refine sugar at the former Imperial Sugar plant, has snagged Alamo Drafthouse Cinema as its first major tenant.

 

Geoffrey Jones, one of the project's developers, said the retail portion of the project is nearly one-third preleased and falling oil prices have not hampered his efforts. Construction will start in March and be completed in the summer of 2017.

 

"Our project has been unscathed by what has been occurring in the energy industry," Jones said.

While other sectors of the commercial real estate market are slipping, Jones said Houston-area retail builders are in good shape because there's not a glut of available properties.

Alamo Drafthouse will be part of a newly constructed, two-story retail building. The Austin-based entertainment concept, which combines movies and dining, will have nine screens at its Imperial location. Triple Tap Ventures, which will run the theater, owns and operates two other Houston-area Alamo theaters. It's planning another in the Regent Square development slated for a site near Allen Parkway and Dunlavy.

Off U.S. 90 between Texas 6 and U.S. 59, Imperial Market is expected to have 275,000 square feet of retail space, 106,000-square feet of office space and a 185-room boutique hotel. Apartments are also part of the plan.

The size has been expanded slightly since the developers announced it in July. Otherwise, the character of the project has not changed, said Jones, referring to the property's historic structures set to be restored and reused, including storage silos, smokestacks and the eight-story char house. Jones is developing Imperial Market with James Murnane.

On Tuesday, Sugar Land City Council approved plans for the 26-acre development.

The project is the commercial hub of the 720-acre Imperial planned community, which is under construction and will have nearly 2,000 new homes when completed.

 

 

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/columnists/sarnoff/article/Alamo-Drafthouse-expanding-to-Sugar-Land-6673931.php?t=6cee9504f4&cmpid=twitter-premium#photo-9056362

 

With Flix Brewhouse coming to Sugar Land too, this is welcome news for moviegoers. But why can't Midtown get its Alamo Drafthouse?

 

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cspwal    2,140

With Flix Brewhouse coming to Sugar Land too, this is welcome news for moviegoers. But why can't Midtown get its Alamo Drafthouse?

 

Where could an Alamo drafthouse fit in Midtown?

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cspwal    2,140

Regent Square

Edit; I'm dumb. Is RS considered part of Midtown?

 

I wouldn't think so, since it's west of Montrose BLVD.  I also completely forgot about that development and the promised for Movie Tavern.  Would this area be Montrose, or something different?

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Fringe    327

With Flix Brewhouse coming to Sugar Land too, this is welcome news for moviegoers. But why can't Midtown get its Alamo Drafthouse?

Win Fix and Alamo a mile apart? Guess i'm going to a lot of movies. 

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BigFootsSocks    2,852

I wouldn't think so, since it's west of Montrose BLVD. I also completely forgot about that development and the promised for Movie Tavern. Would this area be Montrose, or something different?

What is that area designated then? WeDo?

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curbur    90

What is that area designated then? WeDo?

 

I'm not saying this is correct, but Google Maps has the area extend all the way west up to River Oaks with Shepherd as the boundary line.

 

Edit: Then again.. those boundaries have Montrose taking up a significant portion of Fourth Ward and a little bit of Downtown even, so that has to be wrong.

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