Nassau Bay Town Square Mixed-Use Development

[ricco67]

While looking at the map on this announcement, for some reason I can't quite put my finger on the place, except perhaps where maybe where that old hotel is at and such.

here is the article and map.

It should be interesting to see what the final plans show.

[gnu]

While looking at the map on this announcement, for some reason I can't quite put my finger on the place, except perhaps where maybe where that old hotel is at and such.

here is the article and map.

It should be interesting to see what the final plans show.

I think its these low rise office buildings here. The two twins fronting Nasa 1 and then several buildings on space park.

and then more if it goes all the way from Upper bay rd to nassau bay dr. but i don't guess they sold city hall.

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&amp...9&encType=1

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&amp...5&encType=1

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&amp...0&encType=1

[dgreco]

think there is a chance for highrise, or most likely it will be small office space?

[musicman]

think there is a chance for highrise, or most likely it will be small office space?

looks like they are trying to changing their zoning laws to allow for taller structures.

[TheNiche]

looks like they are trying to changing their zoning laws to allow for taller structures.

That may or may not mean much. It doesn't look like these buildings (Gemini I to XII) are more than about two or three stories to begin with.

[TheNiche]

think there is a chance for highrise, or most likely it will be small office space?

I didn't get the sense that plans are set in stone, but the vision that they've laid out would require structured parking. If the apartment density is 20 units per acre, which is about as dense as Class A gets before going midrise, then that's fifteen acres, or more than half of their total site. With retail, count on at least two or three times as much land used for service parking or loading docks than is used by the building footprint; don't expect them to go with structured parking for the retail. If they have 100,000sf of leaseable space some of it for pad sites, expect 400,000sf (9 acres) of land allocated to retail use.

Office and hotel space and parking that serves it can be squeezed in through a lot of different configurations, so it is harder to say, but if all they had to work with was about 3 acres, which would be all that's left over if everything else is low- or medium-density, then they'd each have to go very tall. Alternatively, the apartments might go midrise and provide the office and hotel users more flexibility. But that gives you a very general and imprecise idea of what is possible on the site.

[musicman]

That may or may not mean much. It doesn't look like these buildings (Gemini I to XII) are more than about two or three stories to begin with.

Well if they want to change the zoning laws there, then it would be an indication that nassau bay wishes to support the development.

Edited April 15, 2007 by musicman

[TheNiche]

Well if they want to change the zoning laws there, then it would be an indication that nassau bay wishes to support the development.

No argument there.

[dgreco]

I didn't get the sense that plans are set in stone, but the vision that they've laid out would require structured parking. If the apartment density is 20 units per acre, which is about as dense as Class A gets before going midrise, then that's fifteen acres, or more than half of their total site. With retail, count on at least two or three times as much land used for service parking or loading docks than is used by the building footprint; don't expect them to go with structured parking for the retail. If they have 100,000sf of leaseable space some of it for pad sites, expect 400,000sf (9 acres) of land allocated to retail use.

Office and hotel space and parking that serves it can be squeezed in through a lot of different configurations, so it is harder to say, but if all they had to work with was about 3 acres, which would be all that's left over if everything else is low- or medium-density, then they'd each have to go very tall. Alternatively, the apartments might go midrise and provide the office and hotel users more flexibility. But that gives you a very general and imprecise idea of what is possible on the site.

thank you for the information, I do not know the area well, but this seems to fit more ideally than a high rise would, but cporrect me otherwise.

[musicman]

thank you for the information, I do not know the area well, but this seems to fit more ideally than a high rise would, but cporrect me otherwise.

there used ot be a 10 story (or so) hotel across the street which has since been "upgraded" to a CVS.

[editor]

I think its these low rise office buildings here. The two twins fronting Nasa 1 and then several buildings on space park.

and then more if it goes all the way from Upper bay rd to nassau bay dr. but i don't guess they sold city hall.

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&amp...9&encType=1

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&amp...5&encType=1

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&amp...0&encType=1

Links don't work. Try Google Maps.

[lockmat]

lots of interesting information revealed in this article:

http://www.cpnonline.com/cpn/regions/artic...t_id=1003618413

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One project mentioned in the article:

http://www.nassaubay.com/ec_redevelopment_griffin.htm

The portfolio consists of 12 office buildings and approximately 27 acres in Nassau Bay, directly adjacent to the entrance to NASA Johnson Space Center and Space Center Houston. The 11 buildings are shown in blue on the following image. The other building is at 1275 Space Park.

...

The Griffin plan envisions demolition of the existing buildings and construction of a new mixed use development with retail, office, residential, and hotel/hospitality products. The built-out value is expected to be in excess of $150 million. There will be ample green and public spaces in the development.

Edited July 30, 2007 by lockmat

[lockmat]

Are these projects already in another thread?

[musicman]

the thread title and the nassau bay project aren't related. the nassau bay one is on haif somewhere...the thread title appears to be between clr lake and pasadena on space center.

[lockmat]

musicman, is this it?

http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/i...p;hl=nassau+bay

[musicman]

musicman, is this it?

http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/haif/i...p;hl=nassau+bay

yes this is the nassau bay project.

[Subdude]

Combined topics. Thanks for reporting.

[plumber2]

Musicman is right again.

And yes there was a multi story hotel on that site years ago. I remember it well because NBC had the top east room rented (or reserved) full time during the Gemini (lunar) space flights. Their logo was in that top window for years, even into the 70's.

[musicman]

was talking to a coworker who lives in nassau bay. seems the proposed condos in the project have now turned into apartments. they are not happy.

Edited July 23, 2008 by musicman

[Pumapayam]

I drove be it over the weekend. Completely leveled with large rendering billboards along the fence.

[lockmat]

an old chron article I didn't see posted:

http://www.griffinpartners.com/news/20080228chron.pdf

more here: http://www.griffinpartners.com/properties/...ton_nassau.html

Edited July 28, 2008 by lockmat

[lockmat]

Martin Fein Interests Ltd. broke ground last week on 313 apartments in the previously-announced Nassau Bay Town Square project.

Site work on streets and utilities in Nassau Bay Town Square is expected to be finished in March. Construction of the retail portion will follow in the second quarter.

First announced in April 2007, the new development replaced a dozen older office buildings that sat across from the entrance of NASA

[fatesdisastr]

i was down over there the other night at Mom Alone mexican restaurant but forgot to take a look and see whats happening over there

[lockmat]

the office building and apt complex http://www.nassaubaytownsquare.com/NBTS_pr...ss_report_1.pdf

[musicman]

a parking garage and apartments appear to be under construction, otherwise just dirt.

[Urbannizer]

More Renderings and Info here .

..and here .

Website

Update:

Retailers lining up at Nassau Bay Town Square

By Laura Elder

The Daily News Published August 27, 2009

Hip to be Square: Houston-based development firm Griffin Partners isn’t letting a tough economy slow progress at Nassau Bay Town Square, a 31-acre development at the intersection of NASA Parkway and Saturn Lane.

The development, which will include 73,000 square feet of retail space, already has attracted Five Guys Burgers and Fries, Verizon and Baker St. Pub.

All have signed leases.

Also, a wine bar, an eatery specializing in hot wings and a fast-casual Mexican restaurant all have signed letters of intent to move into development, reports the Bay Area Houston Economic Partnership.

Besides retail, Nassau Bay Town Square will include multifamily residential developments, a 200-room hotel, conference center and three office buildings.

A 313-unit apartment complex already is under construction at the development.

“That’s pretty nice when you look at the current state of the economy, they’re still moving forward,” Nassau Bay city manager Chris Reed said.

Streets for the development are expected to be complete in about a month, with retail construction beginning soon after, the partnership reports.

GalvestonDailyNews

[musicman]

here's a pic from 4-6 weeks ago i forgot to post.

[LTAWACS]

does not look bad.

[musicman]

does not look bad.

if i remember tomorrow i'll try and make a driveby.

[musicman]

if i remember tomorrow i'll try and make a driveby.

from a few hrs ago. The area is large and this is the only construction occurring besides infrastructure changes.

[citizen4rmptown]

wow, totally forgot about this, i never even though it would move forward, especially in this economy...

[lockmat]

One apartment building is done and ready to move into:

http://www.voyagerat...pertyphoto.aspx

It actually looks really nice.

also, their latest development update newsletter from march http://nassaubaytownsquare.com/docs/progress2010-01.pdf

Edited May 12, 2010 by lockmat

[halenstone]

The project is going through some financing issues in order to finish up with the asthetics they want.

Looks like what they want is gonna cost 2.5 times what they had in their original budget.

[lockmat]

Good news here:

Griffin Partners kicks off construction on a four-story 102k SF officebuilding in Nassau Bay Town Square this month. The tenant mix includes Hamilton Sundstrand Corp., Keller Williams-Clear Lake/ NASA, Texas American Title, and Maxim Insurance. 40k SFremains available. The LEED Silver project will be completed next September. Already complete are Martin Fein Interests’ multifamily project, Voyager at The Space Center, and the extension of Saturn Lane. The first phase of retail is near completion. Norris Conference Centers has signed a lease for a 27k SF facility and Marriott Hotels continue to work plans for a mid-rise hotel. A second office project, a six-story, 160k SF building, is slated for occupancy in 2012.

http://www.bisnow.co...ory.php?p=11325

Edited November 19, 2010 by lockmat

[TheNiche]

Granted, they're preleasing well, but this is pretty bold for a project that caters to such a NASA-driven submarket. I wouldn't have lent them my money. Better, safer investments are to be had elsewhere.

[lockmat]

Granted, they're preleasing well, but this is pretty bold for a project that caters to such a NASA-driven submarket. I wouldn't have lent them my money. Better, safer investments are to be had elsewhere.

How many Houston NASA employees are there?

And how many people who work in the Port and Refineries live in this area?

I would think this area is a good draw, not only for NASA employees, but also b/c of the Bay and Gulf access.