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I went to look at a couple of houses in the sharpstown area...they were north of 59, north of fondren and west of the mall...I keep seeing postings like this is a dangerous area? It looked really nice...is there something I dont know about...and maybe its just the point of reference. I currently live off the intersection of Lawndale and Telephone. I classify this as a iffy area, not sharpstown. I am sure there are crappy apts over there, but I am talking about the nieghborhoods. I do notice houses are really cheap, so please enlighten me on whats going on over there.

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If I didn't have kids I would live in Sharpstown in a second. As you suspect, its the apartments nearby that make the Sharpstown area dangerous. But I almost never see anything on the news about something happening to someone at their house in a Sharpstown home.

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i think for most recent houstonians (less than 20 yrs here) what gives Sharpstown its bad reputation is that it changed so much in a relatively short time.

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I have an aunt who lives in Sharpstown -- on the south side of 59. She's lived their since the early 60s and has seen it change drastically. Last year a neighbor kid tried to burn down her house. Luckily, it was caught before it did much damage.

I have a late uncle who lived on the north side of 59 -- in the area you are describing. It's a much different part of Sharpstown, it feels much safer. His house is currently for sale on Osage.

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thats prob the one I was at...it was an estate sale. This neighborhood looks like a real option for me.

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I agree with Jeebus...if you have kids you will have to send them to private school.

My Grandmother has lived on the N. side of 59 and Fondren since the 60's. She lives on Leader street. I think her neighborhood is pretty nice it's just the area surrounding it. When I express concern for her saftey she says, "Oh, you just have to be cautious and pay attention to what's going on around you" This is true everywhere.....

Good luck with your search. You can find some beautiful homes in the Sharpstown area.

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my cousin used to live on Leader on the corner....when he moved into the house back in the 70s he was one of the first blacks to do so and the kids went straight private school in the area...nice house...

before he died and moved back to Louisiana, he sold it to some Vietnamese and they put a pond I think in the backyard...that was a nice area

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I agree with the posts from other people. The homes of Sharpstown are gems and if the retro 1950s look with tree lined streets and ranch homes (not 3800 sq ft monsters built on a small lot) are your thing you will love the place. You should go to a few estate sales in Sharpstown just to tour some homes and see what people live like. The realators always paint favorable pictures and I have kown some that go and park a really nice car in front of the house next door to make the area look better before taking you out there.

I bought a car at an estate sale a few blocks from Sharpstown high school. My jaw dropped at how nice the house was inside. All hardwood floors, immaculate kitchen and bath, etc....something right out of a Dorris Day movie. That house was on Jason St. Now, you get in the car and drive 5 minutes and it looks like a war zone by the high school.

If you work late at night or drive a nice car I would suggest you get your concealed gun license and keep a loaded weapon under the seat of your car if you live there. Do that and send your kids to a private school and you will be okay.

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when the area was developing, did the residents fight at the time to keep out the overbuilding of apartments? I mean, if I was dropping a $150,000 house I don't want my hood surrounded by walls of apartments..

look at West Bellfort near Fondren.....they have some bad (the good bad) homes but they are surrounded by rows and rows of apartments.....ain't no way in hell the original owners will get the money they paid fomr some of those houses.

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.....ain't no way in hell the original owners will get the money they paid for some of those houses.

Yes that's an issue for sure. My Grandmother would love to sell her home (which is paid off) It's just too much space for her and she won't get near enough money to buy something else. It's a shame

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when the area was developing, did the residents fight at the time to keep out the overbuilding of apartments? I mean, if I was dropping a $150,000 house I don't want my hood surrounded by walls of apartments..

look at West Bellfort near Fondren.....they have some bad (the good bad) homes but they are surrounded by rows and rows of apartments.....ain't no way in hell the original owners will get the money they paid fomr some of those houses.

A buddy of mine bought a foreclosed home in the Fondren SWest area. He rehab'ed it very nice (all new tiles,carpet, granite, etc) and had a difficult time selling the home. And that area even sketchy in the daytime!!

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Prior to the 1980s the apartment regulations were very different. The managers could lease to whoever they wanted and reject whoever they wanted based on anything. Some apartments were for adults only and yes they did discriminate based on race; that was wrong.

However, the laws are so insane now that someone can apply for an apartment drunk and smelling of weed but if their criminal and credit check turns out okay plus they meet the income requirement you are obliagated by law to lease them the apartment or they can sue you. Common sense has been thrown away.

Eventually, I think Fondren will be bought up by a mega developer once energy prices get so high building new construction in the boondocks will not be good business. If someone purchases a huge parcel of land all of the way from S. Braeswood to W. Bellfort and gradually started demolishing to build single family homes the area could come back. It would take over 20 years to fix the area but it is possible.

I think homes in that area were selling for about $15,000 back in the 1960s. I wonder what the rents in the apartments were then?

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..ain't no way in hell the original owners will get the money they paid for some of those houses.

Neither will the residents of Inwood when they try and sell their investments. The old saying that all property is a good investment is not always accurate. There are many neighborhoods here in Houston alone that prove that. Some areas have only went down from their start, and some of these same neighborhoods will never be able to recover due to the conditions and circumstances placed on them.

What's sad is that driving out in the suburbs you can instantly tell which ones are lost causes from day one.

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What's sad is that driving out in the suburbs you can instantly tell which ones are lost causes from day one.

Jeebus, do you care to name any names? I would love to know examples of suburbs that have a high chance of souring! :)

By the way, I wrote a small, not-very-good (And I mean that!) play about a teenage boy driving to Sharpstown to meet his friend - the problem is that the kid drives a Mercedes and wears flashy clothing. On top of that, he stops at a McDonald's near the apartment. When the boy goes back to his car, a group of three thugs force the kid to give up the car keys, cell phone, wallet, and sweatshirt.

The boy finally meets his friend at the Sharpstown apartment, but without a car and therefore without a way to fulfill a planned date with his girlfriend.

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I can tell the suburbs where it's not worth building your "dream" home.....

1960 from Kuykendahl to Imperial Valley...the area has/is developing just like Fondren in the 80s...

Highway 6 near Mission Bend....Alief spllover has drastically altered that area

Some areas near Pearland....borders South Park/Sunnyside...only a hop, skip and a jump

Teal Run/Fresno....I rather stay in my old neighborhood as that area has too many folks crammed into an area with limited access and a mixture of rural and suburban life

I grew up in an area where apartments never bothered to come...multi-family living was a row of duplexes on one street and townhomes a mile away....outside of that apartments never came but they are trying to get them out there where we have an abundance of open land....\

if your writing about Sharpstown...act I needs to describe who used to live out there and why did they run..lol

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I currently live off the intersection of Lawndale and Telephone. I classify this as a iffy area, not sharpstown.

Trust me you are better off where you currently are living. Unless you enjoy dodging bullets and being another possible caualty on the nightly news? Then Sharpstwon area is for you. Be sure to view all postings in SW Houston section in Haif. True testimonials. You need to ask LONG TIME Houstonians over age 35 they are more knowledgable. The area has been on a decline for over 15-20 years. True it once was a modern upscale area (60's & 70's) but most smart people fled in droves after the oil boom/bomb in the early 80's, rents $ went down and poverty level immigrants rushed in (still are). Past postings have suggested everything from Nuking the place to Godzilla. Lost cause. Let's not live in denial.

See tonights news again! :(

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Huh? Those were your own posts and not testimonials. I'm not sure why you're posting so vehemently about this topic.

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Dude, last time I was in that area (three weeks ago), me and my friends got shot at. No joke. We were playing basketball in a park, and next thing you know, clack, clack, clack. That sucked. We didn't finish our game, 'cause we decided to go running instead.

Total disrespect, yo <_< Sharpstown: Where even the basketballs are bulletproof :angry:

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when the area was developing, did the residents fight at the time to keep out the overbuilding of apartments? I mean, if I was dropping a $150,000 house I don't want my hood surrounded by walls of apartments..

look at West Bellfort near Fondren.....they have some bad (the good bad) homes but they are surrounded by rows and rows of apartments.....ain't no way in hell the original owners will get the money they paid fomr some of those houses.

What about the following address, 10802 Vickijohn, Houston 77071? From what I can see on the map, it is located near Fondren, north of West Bellfort, not too far from the intersection of Braes Bayou and Portal Drive. Is this address located in the area that you are describing as being unsafe? Or is this address located elsewhere? According to the propoerty description, it is not too far from the Chabad Lubavitch Temple & Center. Inquiring minds want to know.

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Dude, last time I was in that area (three weeks ago), me and my friends got shot at. No joke. We were playing basketball in a park, and next thing you know, clack, clack, clack. That sucked. We didn't finish our game, 'cause we decided to go running instead.

Total disrespect, yo <_< Sharpstown: Where even the basketballs are bulletproof :angry:

This is what we mean by "True Testimonials"

rest my case.

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What about the following address, 10802 Vickijohn, Houston 77071? From what I can see on the map, it is located near Fondren, north of West Bellfort, not too far from the intersection of Braes Bayou and Portal Drive. Is this address located in the area that you are describing as being unsafe? Or is this address located elsewhere? According to the propoerty description, it is not too far from the Chabad Lubavitch Temple & Center. Inquiring minds want to know.

no the area is north of 59 and west of Sharpstown mall

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Crain Park; right beside an elementary school.

E. L. Crain Park (9051 Triola) is near Ed White Elementary School (located at 9001 Triola). It is classified as a "Neighborhood Park" by the City of Houston.

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E. L. Crain Park (9051 Triola) is near Ed White Elementary School (located at 9001 Triola). It is classified as a "Neighborhood Park" by the City of Houston.

That's the place. The Bellaire/Gessner intersection isn't too far from there. That was our first/last time there, too. That sucks , because the park is actually not bad looking for the community. There were a bunch of kids/young adults playing basketball, baseball, walking dogs, etc. along with parents and such. Perhaps it was just a bad day there, but as one of my hommies and I were peeling of in his car, we were just repeating "damn, that's just ghetto."

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We were playing basketball in a park, and next thing you know, clack, clack, clack.

DJ would later find out that it was actually the shoed-hooves of a drawn-carriage's horse! lol...

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DJ would later find out that it was actually the shoed-hooves of a drawn-carriage's horse! lol...

:lol: No, that's Galleria basketball for ya.

My friends and I now joke about that Crain Park incident. We say that we started off playing NBA Live and ended up playing CounterStrike...

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I currently live off the intersection of Lawndale and Telephone. I classify this as a iffy area, not sharpstown.

Trust me you are better off where you currently are living. Unless you enjoy dodging bullets and being another possible caualty on the nightly news? Then Sharpstwon area is for you. Be sure to view all postings in SW Houston section in Haif. True testimonials. You need to ask LONG TIME Houstonians over age 35 they are more knowledgable. The area has been on a decline for over 15-20 years. True it once was a modern upscale area (60's & 70's) but most smart people fled in droves after the oil boom/bomb in the early 80's, rents $ went down and poverty level immigrants rushed in (still are). Past postings have suggested everything from Nuking the place to Godzilla. Lost cause. Let's not live in denial.

See tonights news again! :(

I think people would like to see all of SW Houston nuked. It's strange how some posh middle class neighborhoods with big lots and nice homes maintain their value despite being surrounded by slums, yet others go down with slums. Sharpstown homes are architecturally significant, and there weren't many other Houston neighborhoods like it. Sadly, Houston was a boom town, and its classy days are over. In 1981, people were coming to Houston from all over trying to land a good job and get rich. Then 3 years later, Houston went from boom to bust, and the economy has progressed to a service, low wage economy ever since. This is what has hurt Sharpstown.

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I think people would like to see all of SW Houston nuked. It's strange how some posh middle class neighborhoods with big lots and nice homes maintain their value despite being surrounded by slums, yet others go down with slums. Sharpstown homes are architecturally significant, and there weren't many other Houston neighborhoods like it. Sadly, Houston was a boom town, and its classy days are over. In 1981, people were coming to Houston from all over trying to land a good job and get rich. Then 3 years later, Houston went from boom to bust, and the economy has progressed to a service, low wage economy ever since. This is what has hurt Sharpstown.

Everyone pay attention to the above comment because its absolutely TRUE! Exact and to the point. Many long time Houstonians can confirm this.

I was one of many people that used to go to the SW part of Houston for the nice modern eateries and nightclubs (disco/new wave era) and saw it in its hey day. Your dates are just about exact on when all started on the decline. Sharpstown was considered the real upscale part of Houston. Shortly after the boom of the early 80's people were laid off from great paying jobs and either went back to other states from which they came or fled SW Houston altogether. The apartments were loosing $ so they "lowered their expectations" shall we say so low income desperate people moved in droves. Hence crime increased. Rarely do I care to venture around to see the places we used to frequent as most of the posh nightclubs we frequented are now taquerias, 5 & dime stores or flee markets (depressing). I can only state that I am glad we enjoyed it while it lasted. Its pure living hell now. Keep watching the news. Almost everyday drive bys occur and illegal immigrant issues. I better stop now. :ph34r: Peace!

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5 & dime stores

I only know of one 5 and dime store, and its in Kirby Village area. Hehe.

But, your right on all your other points anyways.

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I only know of one 5 and dime store, and its in Kirby Village area. Hehe.

But, your right on all your other points anyways.

I would promote the area as Sharpstown but as in "sharp knife" like get ready to get stabbed. Get it? "Sharp Knifes Town" what the hell all the Crips & other California/Mexican gangs are there already anyway. May as well make em feel at home. After all they are just poor little victims of society. Its our fault the have become victoms of society. I better run and buy some baggy clothes & blend in. :lol:

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There are lots of chicken littles in this thread, so I will just mention that Sharpstown home values are pretty stable. Some areas have decreased a little, and there was an article in the paper this morning about some nearby neighborhoods going up in value. I was looking at the pricing trends, and the biggest area of concern should be S-SE Houston. Housing values are going way way down there.

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we live in tanglewilde, close to sharpstown. i can leave a garge full of things open all day and have no problems. people who live in the area should comment, not those with preconceived notions.

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Here is a bit of fact to show you how NOT dangerous Sharpstown is:

February 2007:

Armed Robberies - 0

Arrested Persons - 23 (16 were misdemeanor and only 1 was a felony)

Assaults - 0

Burglary Motor Vehicle - 2

Burlaries - 1

Criminal Mischief - 1

Stolen Vehicles - 4

Thefts - 1

Murders - 0

Not many areas of Houston are safer than this.

I have lived in Sharpstown for nearly 20 years. In that time I have never felt unsafe. I have even been a victim of a home invasion and that sort of thing RARELY happens here.

It has a horrible reputation but it is unfounded. The areas in the SW that are bad are Alief, Fondren SW, Forum Park, etc.

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I have lived in Sharpstown for close to 9 years. I moved out of Midtown before there was any development... I basically cashed in so I could have a nice yard, beautiful tree lined streets, all brick house which i consider pretty solid construction compared to some crap you can buy in the outer suburbs. It was WAY more dangerous living in the Inner Loop areas than in Sharpstown. I have never had any incidents with crime. There is grafitti and Yes, i can occasionally hear gun shots at night, but they do come from the apts which are at least a mile away. Common sense can usually keep you out of harm's way. This is actually a great neighborhood. Many of my neighbors are original owners and they sit out on their front lawns, go walking for exercise around the neighborhood, do their own lawn work... does this sound like a frightened community running for their lives. Maybe they did at one time... but its just this incorrect information about an area... people spreading rumors that you will be stabbed if you go to Sharpstown that perpetuate a bad rap about an area. Sharpstown is a very diverse community. There are many immigrants. BIG DEAL. We are in Houston... there's lots of immigrants. There's crime everywhere... people need to just realize it is more about economics. Yes, if you are hanging out in an apt complex at 3 am, where people pay $400/mo for rent... you might be in a dangerous place... If you turn on the news and really listen, crime is all over.

Sharpstown gets a bad rap. It is an awesome buy in my opinion and extremely convenient to 59 & Bltwy 8 for commuting. It has its negatives, but for the most part i love Sharpstown. And prices are going up... slowly, but they are increasing about 4% per year. If you have kids, i wouldn't say Sharpstown is the best place... but there are many kids in the neighborhood. My neighbors send their kids to Strake Jesuit right in the neighborhood... so private school is always an option. I think the school issue is common for most of HISD anyway... for neighborhoods with homes around $140k.

Just my 2 cents... unless you live here, don't knock it.

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Having grown up in Sharpstown since we bought our house new in 1967, I would say that Sharpstown was a GREAT place to grow up and the people still there are great people. People are very neighborly and maintain their yards. On the street I grew up on, 2 of our neighbors have been there since 1967. Many others on this same block have been there since the beginning too.

Sharpstown, like much of Houston, grew fast during the early oil boom times of the early 80's. Many apartments came in and it was a desired place to live. I would not say that the oil boom devastated Sharpstown any more than any other part of Houston. Everyone I knew did not loose their job or their house as a result of the bust.

In my opinion, it was the greying of Sharpstown that changed it the most. As everyone had moved in Sharpstown at the same time (late 60's), most of the families' kids were leaving the nest around the mid 80's. Sharpstown HS was becoming more "thug" in the mid to late 80's as rental residents (with little invested in the community as far as a home) brought less than ideal neighbors. Many long time residents may have moved as their house became empty and as their kids moved out.

Sharpstown has always been middle to upper middle class, but as other developements grew in Houston (First Colony, Woodlands, etc.), Sharpstown was moving more to a blue collar community. Not bad. But...the apartments and duplexes around Sharpstown became the places the housed people with no respect for community standards and they had no investment in the community. They contributed the most to the decline as it stands now. (Trivia: Was it Senator John F. Kennedy that cut the ribbon for the opening or the Mall or was it Robert?)

The Vietnamese community has had a major impact on the community West of US59, but it has been mostly positive. East of US59, hispanics have changed that community.

Sadly, Sharpstown Mall also had changed as the shoppers moved to "nicer" malls such as First Colony and the Galleria. This again contributed to the mall falling in status and this also had a significant impact in how the neighborhood is perceived now.

Sharpstown is a great place and anyone who looks even slightly below the outer edges will find great people and the kind of people that makes Houston and Texas great.

my 2 cents.

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I am glad you (and the others) are speaking up for your community. After giving it some thought I realized that if I put myself in your shoes I would feel the same. Being a born and raised Houstonian myself, I had to wake up and realize that all of us need to pull together as one. I will try to stick to that principal (hope it lasts) :P

Now I better slap this same note to the Sugarland/SW section. Seems they also have a hate "big city Houston" state of mind. :wacko: I can only imagine what they think of places like NYC or SFO?

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Now I better slap this same note to the Sugarland/SW section. Seems they also have a hate "big city Houston" state of mind. :wacko: I can only imagine what they think of places like NYC or SFO?

Not so fast Vertigo. You're not about to sling mud from one thread to the next, and then hope no one you're aiming at notices. Only one person in that thread stated that they didn't want SL to turn into a big city like Houston. The rest of us there were trying to explain SL's attempts to introduce pedestrian-friendly urban development, and to show that unlike other suburbs, SL is really trying to create a livable town.

Why do you think SL built Town Centre in the first place? I'll speculate that it because SL felt its residents wanted to start enjoying the features, ammenities, and even lifestyle (the lofts above the retail) of such places like NYC or SFO, but on a smaller, more suburban level. Why else would they build a pedestrian friendly, urban development in the same area that has traditionally been over run with concrete oceans for parking lots and strip malls that end only with the horizon?

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If I didn't have kids I would live in Sharpstown in a second.

I still stand by this statement. I want to add that ff I was Catholic, then I would definitely consider Sharpstown proper exclusively for Strake & St. Agnes.

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If I didn't have kids I would live in Sharpstown in a second.

I still stand by this statement. I want to add that ff I was Catholic, then I would definitely consider Sharpstown proper exclusively for Strake & St. Agnes.

either i'm reading these incorrectly or is there a conflict here?

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either i'm reading these incorrectly or is there a conflict here?

Yes and No. I was referring originally to the selection of HISD schools in the immediate neighborhoods. I was referring to Strake & St. Agnes in my self-reply in the sense that these to parochial schools would be my only two considerations for education - and then only if I was Catholic.

As it stands now I am not Catholic, therefore my original statement stands.

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Yes and No. I was referring originally to the selection of HISD schools in the immediate neighborhoods. I was referring to Strake & St. Agnes in my self-reply in the sense that these to parochial schools would be my only two considerations for education - and then only if I was Catholic.
interesting. i went to catholic school and there were numerous children that weren't catholic. What religion are you?

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interesting. i went to catholic school and there were numerous children that weren't catholic. What religion are you?

Well, I tried to take this conversation to a PM to avoid hi-jacking the thread (and trolls like Vertigo), but since your mailbox is full and my PM's won't send - I'll just temporarily hi-jack the thread.

I'm not Catholic and don't agree with a lot of the practices of denomination. Therefore I fundamentally disagree with subjecting my kids to something I have issues with. Its a parent's privilege, and whether you (anyone reading this) see it as wrong or right is strictly a statement of opinion - one that I won't care to hear.

I don't expect most of you Catholics to understand, as you never do. But instead of accusing me of starting a flame war, just accept that not everyone is Catholic or wants to be Catholic - and we're okay with it.

So attempting to keep things on topic. If you are someone who wants to live in Sharpstown and are/are not Catholic, Strake Jesuit & St. Agnes are great parochial academic alternatives to the rough public schools in the area.

Ps. Musicman: clean out your inbox for future reference ;)

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Well, I tried to take this conversation to a PM to avoid hi-jacking the thread (and trolls like Vertigo), but since your mailbox is full and my PM's won't send - I'll just temporarily hi-jack the thread.

I'm not Catholic and don't agree with a lot of the practices of denomination. Therefore I fundamentally disagree with subjecting my kids to something I have issues with. Its a parent's privilege, and whether you (anyone reading this) see it as wrong or right is strictly a statement of opinion - one that I won't care to hear.

I don't expect most of you Catholics to understand, as you never do. But instead of accusing me of starting a flame war, just accept that not everyone is Catholic or wants to be Catholic - and we're okay with it.

So attempting to keep things on topic. If you are someone who wants to live in Sharpstown and are/are not Catholic, Strake Jesuit & St. Agnes are great parochial academic alternatives to the rough public schools in the area.

Ps. Musicman: clean out your inbox for future reference ;)

i got your message. for most of "us Catholics" who "never do" understand, i was just asking and didn't say anything was wrong or right. there are obviously some issues that you should address in your own way. good luck with that!!

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/hijack?

I hope so. Gwilson, I have a question for you. Is the subdivision south of Bellaire and west of Gessner still considered Sharpstown?

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