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  1. 1. Do you think Market Square is attractive in its current state?

    • Yes
      24
    • No
      36
    • Don't Know
      5
  2. 2. Do you think that it could reasonably be improved upon?

    • Yes
      60
    • No
      3
    • Don't Know
      2
  3. 3. If you responded 'Yes' to question #2, how would you improve it?

    • Add more trees/shrubs
      31
    • Add more benches
      30
    • Add picnic tables
      19
    • Allow a few concession stands
      35
    • Add a small restaurant with window orders (similar to Champ Burger or Someburger)
      27
    • Add a playground
      8
    • Add a dog trot
      13
    • Add a pond
      13
    • Add one or multiple small fountains
      20
    • Add one central large fountain
      29
    • Other, please explain
      11


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Since it seems that there is general support for the current state of Market Square Park, is the poll still relevant or can it be removed? (or do we need to have a poll on whether the poll should be removed?)

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I suggest we close the poll and explain that it was done before construction.

As it is now, 2/28/2011, I really like it and do not have any obvious recommendations to improve it. It and Discovery Green really make visiting downtown fun.

Why not create a new poll to gauge how folks like the improvements. What's not to like? It is definitely much better than before.

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As it is now, 2/28/2011, I really like it and do not have any obvious recommendations to improve it. It and Discovery Green really make visiting downtown fun.

Why not create a new poll to gauge how folks like the improvements. What's not to like? It is definitely much better than before.

Another suggestion. Discovery Green and Market Square Park have both been updated with great success. What downtown public space should be next?

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Another suggestion. Discovery Green and Market Square Park have both been updated with great success. What downtown public space should be next?

Great idea, linicinco. Baldwin Park perhaps? Settegast? Emanicpation?

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I vote for the super block in Midtown or where the old YMCA now sits.

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Great idea, linicinco. Baldwin Park perhaps? Settegast? Emanicpation?

There is very little that could be done to Baldwin Park without removing some of the trees and that would be devastating in the least.

I vote for the super block in Midtown or where the old YMCA now sits.

As for the super block, that would be somethin. Great location along the lightrail with a station. That would be a good sized park, and there would be a lot of things you could do with it happy.gif

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I vote for the super block in Midtown or where the old YMCA now sits.

Oh, I am all for the super block in Midtown, that would be awesome. But I hate to drive to go to a park, does anyeone know if you can bring small dogs onto the Metrorail?

I am pretty sure the old downtown Y location will be a building eventually for Chevron, they are busting at the seams already.

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I vote for the super block in Midtown or where the old YMCA now sits.

Maybe it will be the super block??? This is from a March 31, 2011 agenda....

http://www.houstonmi...NDA03.31.11.pdf

"5. Midtown Capital Improvement Program.

a. Bagby Street Reconstruction – Walter P. Moore.

b. Parks and Greenspace – Walter P. Moore.

i. Midtown Park – Design Work Order

ii. SuperBlock Park

(1) Site Analysis/Development Work Order.

(2) Development Agreement with Camden.

c. Gray Street Pedestrian Enhancements – Phase I – Clark Condon Associates.

i. Approve change order for construction materials testing

d. HCC Capital Projects – Pate Engineers.

i. Holman Street – Design Work Order

ii. Alabama Street – Design Work Order

e. FTA Grant – Goodman Corporation"

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Maybe it will be the super block??? This is from a March 31, 2011 agenda....

http://www.houstonmi...NDA03.31.11.pdf

"5. Midtown Capital Improvement Program.

a. Bagby Street Reconstruction – Walter P. Moore.

b. Parks and Greenspace – Walter P. Moore.

i. Midtown Park – Design Work Order

ii. SuperBlock Park

(1) Site Analysis/Development Work Order.

(2) Development Agreement with Camden.

c. Gray Street Pedestrian Enhancements – Phase I – Clark Condon Associates.

i. Approve change order for construction materials testing

d. HCC Capital Projects – Pate Engineers.

i. Holman Street – Design Work Order

ii. Alabama Street – Design Work Order

e. FTA Grant – Goodman Corporation"

Man that would be something if that was true. blush.gif

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I highly doubt the park gets developed across from camden Travis. They want to build apartments there with retail on the ground floor. Camden Travis is almost fully leased and they expect to break ground in the fourth quarter.

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I highly doubt the park gets developed across from camden Travis. They want to build apartments there with retail on the ground floor. Camden Travis is almost fully leased and they expect to break ground in the fourth quarter.

Really?? That is way better. Do you have anything in black and white that you can show us?

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I highly doubt the park gets developed across from camden Travis. They want to build apartments there with retail on the ground floor. Camden Travis is almost fully leased and they expect to break ground in the fourth quarter.

Midtown owns half the superblock and Camden owns the other. Camden builds apartments... Midtown builds parks. A plaza is coming my friend.

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Oh, I am all for the super block in Midtown, that would be awesome. But I hate to drive to go to a park, does anyeone know if you can bring small dogs onto the Metrorail?

I am pretty sure the old downtown Y location will be a building eventually for Chevron, they are busting at the seams already.

I think they let guide dogs for the blind on. Just get some dark shades.

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Oh, I am all for the super block in Midtown, that would be awesome. But I hate to drive to go to a park, does anyeone know if you can bring small dogs onto the Metrorail?

A statement about Metro's pet policy can be found http://www.ridemetro.org/Services/Bus.aspx. It reads as follows:

Customers can carry a pet on the bus and the rail as long as it is caged properly. Service animals are allowed to accompany riders with disabilities.

I think they let guide dogs for the blind on. Just get some dark shades.

LOL

I'm not sure a dog that can't climb the steps by itself will be able to pass as a guide dog. :P

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Another suggestion. Discovery Green and Market Square Park have both been updated with great success. What downtown public space should be next?

Downtown:

Tranquility Park - is a bit stale in design, could sell off half the parcel to a developer with planning restrictions

The park by Antioch Church, including the Smith Fountain - I'd suggest another public/private project, a lot of people walking around at lunch despite the weather.

Quebedeaux Park - most people don't even know this is a park, that's a problem IMO

Midtown:

Midtown Park - should be sold to developer with planning restrictions

Glover Park - anything would help this vacant lot at this point

Peggy Park - the triangulated portion of the park along Alameda could use a redesign.

Midtown Superblock - sell the land to a developer with restrictions, use money to develop linear park over future demo of Pierce Elevated :lol:

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Midtown Park - should be sold to developer with planning restrictions

Part of the Bagby street reconstruction will enhance this along w/ other enhancements later. I saw a rendering w/ a small kiosk/coffee type place on the corner facing Cyclone Anaya's w/ outdoor seating.

Glover Park - anything would help this vacant lot at this point

Being redeveloped by Midtown. Last I heard plans are at the city for approval, and they are targeting full approval end of second quarter. Will have a dog park w/ a plaza.

Peggy Park - the triangulated portion of the park along Alameda could use a redesign.

Outside of Midtown's borders, not sure what plans are for it.

Midtown Superblock - sell the land to a developer with restrictions, use money to develop linear park over future demo of Pierce Elevated :lol:

Camden owns half already, Midtown the other (for future park).

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I think Tranquility is likely to stay much the same. I'm sure that the people running City Hall and the federal detention center across the street like the enhanced visibility a park provides.

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I think Tranquility is likely to stay much the same. I'm sure that the people running City Hall and the federal detention center across the street like the enhanced visibility a park provides.

There is no federal detention center across the street from Tranquility Park. I presume you are referring to the Federal Court House.

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Yep. Horribly overpriced but solidly mediocre sushi. That's not going to work anywhere, much less downtown...

I would hardly call their $3 dollar lunch plates overpriced. Mediocre, yes but overpriced no.

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Since I work in western downtown, it was never a lunch option for me, but in the evening it was typical for me and my wife to spend around $50-70 for the two of us. We only went twice in the year it was open. Never been to Azuma either thou..

Another park I was thinking was a slice of sadness is Peggy's Point Plaza. I have no immediate ideas what to do for that one..

All the other parks not previously mentioned are quite nice:

Sesquicentennial Park/Buffalo Bayou Park

Brown Park (aka Discovery Green)

Root Memorial Square

Market Square

Hermann Square

Main Street Square

Sisters of Charity

The private mini 1/4 block park at the Houston Club bldg(soon to be gone)

My thought with Tranquility park is that it becomes a redundant park in probably the only part of town with too many parks, too closely located to one another, and without having an design relationship to the other parks or connectivity. It's really a glorified parking garage; cloistered, oblique, and it's aloofness comes off as selfishness. The land value and improvement alone is worth selling it off to a private developer with restrictions.

I really get that it's a park for Houston's space legacy, but I think that that vision was lost in the design execution at the time of it's construction and now by time's patina. Hard to believe this was the most public place folks can legally protest stuff at in Houston.

I wouldn't mind if the city wanted to sell/demo 411 Walker either :P j/k

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My thought with Tranquility park is that it becomes a redundant park in probably the only part of town with too many parks, too closely located to one another, and without having an design relationship to the other parks or connectivity. It's really a glorified parking garage; cloistered, oblique, and it's aloofness comes off as selfishness. The land value and improvement alone is worth selling it off to a private developer with restrictions.

"Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed." Yeah, let's just sell it, since it has no meaning to this city. :unsure:

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It is not a 'glorified' parking garage. It IS a parking garage. As such, its value to private developers is rather low, given that the city owned garage beneath it will stay.

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I love Tranquility Park. It could use a few revisions to make it more accessible/used. Like take down the walls blocking it from the street view. Put in some table and chairs maybe, so people could sit down for lunch?

I especially love the fact that it IS a parking garage and that fountains incoroporate the vent stacks providing ventilation to the parking garage.

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"Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed." Yeah, let's just sell it, since it has no meaning to this city. :unsure:

READ IT AGAIN

My thought with Tranquility park is that it becomes a redundant park in probably the only part of town with too many parks, too closely located to one another, and without having an design relationship to the other parks or connectivity. It's really a glorified parking garage; cloistered, oblique, and it's aloofness comes off as selfishness. The land value and improvement alone is worth selling it off to a private developer with restrictions.

I think Tranquility is likely to stay much the same. I'm sure that the people running City Hall and the federal detention center across the street like the enhanced visibility a park provides.

Yes, only the people running city hall get to decide. Edited by infinite_jim

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It is not a 'glorified' parking garage. It IS a parking garage. As such, its value to private developers is rather low, given that the city owned garage beneath it will stay.

Demo the garage, sell the land, buy another parcel, and call it Tranquility Park.

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^What's to stop you from using Hermann Square, Sesquicentennial, Buffalo Bayou, Tinsely, Heritage, the Public Library Plaza, Antioch Park, the Fountain Park in front of the Crown Plaza, Market Square, Allen's Landing, Main Street Square, Quebedeaux, "Jury Assembly" park, James Bute, Root Memorial, Brown park, etc etc etc. ???

That's just in downtown, why not meet up in Montrose/Rice Military/Heights/East End/Midtown/Museum/3rd ward/Freedmen's town/Neartown/Near Northside/etc etc etc? I'm jus sayin' there's parks in those nabs too (although much more spread out and sucky).

Seriously, how many parks are just a waste of space in exactly the right place for nobody to ever use them? Does anybody not see the ridiculous redundancy! It's like the tunnel system's choice of eateries except as parks. Hey here's an idea, let's sell a park to get "a better positioned in the urban/social fabric" park (WATERWALL anybody?).

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Well, I guess you and I just have different opinions about the appearance of Tranquility. I like the water features and the bridges over them. I love the walls around part of the perimeter. I love that it's visible from across the street at the Hobby Center. I love the continuous park space it creates with Hermann Square (Great for festivals, such as the Bayou City Art Festival). I love that a scene from Reality Bites was filmed there.

Nothing stops me from using those other parks, and when they are appropriate for my purpose, I do. I do agree, though, that it's time to get rid of the Spirit of the Confederacy statue in Sam Houston Park.

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per the October 11th mintues of the downtown management district, they're constructing a shade structure at this park. Anyone know about this? I wonder if it is significant. It seems like a fairly well shaded park already.

http://www.downtowndistrict.org/Home/Meetings/Overview1/default.asp

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Yeah I was thinking they needed one, especially the time I got rained on while eating a gyro. I wondered why it wasn't covered in the first place.

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