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Outside of the lurkers on this forum, I think I'm the only one who has lived there (Danax is a moderator here and lives close by, though!). I sold my house there last year but still loe the neighborhood and have many friends who live there. If you need any info about the neighborhood, feel free to PM me.

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Thanks, TravelGuy, I am going to live on 1508 N MacGregor ... We are going to start moving in this weekend ... and it's of course a lof of work! But we're happy, the house is what we were looking for! We are super excited the neighborhood looks great, what do you think of Idylwood? The most surprising fact about Idulwood is that a lot of people (even Houstonians) do not know about it!

So, where in Idylwood did you live?

May I ask where you live now?

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I am about to move in to Idylwood (this weekend) and I am so excited! The neighborhood is very nice (some of the houses are extremely beautiful) and the peace you can feel around is exceptional ... I love Idylwood since the moment I drove by few years ago.

Who else in this forum lives in Idylwood?

Roberto

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The address you gave, however, is not in Idylwood, but the museum district.

Do a mapquest search for 1508 N MacGregor Way...it actually is in Idylwood, right across the bayou from Forest Park Cemetary. (I always thought this one little "bastard" stretch of N MacGregor was a bit goofy, but it's there)

I think that's one of the most beautiful spots in the whole city.

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Thanks, TravelGuy, I am going to live on 1508 N MacGregor ... We are going to start moving in this weekend ... and it's of course a lof of work! But we're happy, the house is what we were looking for! We are super excited the neighborhood looks great, what do you think of Idylwood? The most surprising fact about Idulwood is that a lot of people (even Houstonians) do not know about it!

So, where in Idylwood did you live?

May I ask where you live now?

Welcome to the East End, Roberto and to HAIF. As Travelguy said, I live nearby (but on the "wrong" side of the tracks :ph34r: in Pecan Park, which is near Griggs & 75th). MacGregor Way is one of the best settings in Houston so way to go.

What do I think of Idylwood? It's not exactly unknown, that would've been pre-2000, but the East End still gets little play from most homebuyers but, I think that's changing slowly. Idlywood is just one of those small nooks (or is it a cranny?) that has escaped major destruction and is in a great location, terrain-wise and proximity to Downtown-wise. How many neighborhoods in Houston have small hills and a small river as a border? The homes are not fancy but they all represent the same 30s/40s bungalow style (expect for some of the high-fallutin' ones on MacGregor ):) , so the place has a chance to become even more special through the coming decades if the architectural style remains intact. The danger there is the McMansioning trend, meaning the tearing down of older, smaller homes to construct imposing 21st century pseudo-palaces in their place. Problem is, people tend to think in terms of what they want now, and not what is best for the neighborhood and the city in general. And of course, "what is best" is a very subjective thing.

A few of these McMansions have popped up in Idylwood already. And, unless they've established a historic landmark district or have revamped their deed-restrictions, I don't think there is anything that can be done about that. I'm not really against these pompous, wasteful structures that epitomize modern self-serving and blatant disregard for larger concerns, it's just something you might want to be aware of. The City has no interest one way or the other so any resistance must be grass-roots. It's happened to West U, Bellaire, and other spots around town. It would be nice to have just one area that doesn't get erased architecturally, and Idylwood would be just the spot, IMHO. It would lose something major if the majority of the homes were to be bulldozed. If you love the area, you might want to attend the next civic club meeting and see what's going on.

So that's my bit on Idylwood. You're in a good spot at a good time. Oh, and if you haven't already, check out Mason Park, another unknown gem.

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The deed restrictions were updated last year and are definitely stricter than they were previously. I believe that minimum lot sizes and height restrictions made it into the final draft, though don't quote me on that. There is still not an architectural control committee, though, but not many neigbhorhoods of this era (in this price range) have them either.

There are a few homes that are total teardowns, a few that have been subject to inappropriate remodels, and a few total showplaces. The rest are somewhere in the middle.

When the oleanders along MacGregor Way are in bloom, the views up the bayou is quite nice. Of course, the bayou work is about to begin, so get ready for a long period of construction. The Civic Club will most likely be involved to make sure that the truck impact is minimal.

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I am about to move in to Idylwood (this weekend) and I am so excited! The neighborhood is very nice (some of the houses are extremely beautiful) and the peace you can feel around is exceptional ... I love Idylwood since the moment I drove by few years ago.

Who else in this forum lives in Idylwood?

Roberto

Hey Roberto did you happen to get that place on Park(the lease I believe). I was looking into that place myself. I been asking around on the forum for a safe place on eastside, and I think Idylwood might be that rare exception. I drove through recently-- It really is a pearl-- well maintained houses and streets. I hope you enjoy it there.

-Omar

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Do a mapquest search for 1508 N MacGregor Way...it actually is in Idylwood, right across the bayou from Forest Park Cemetary. (I always thought this one little "bastard" stretch of N MacGregor was a bit goofy, but it's there)

I think that's one of the most beautiful spots in the whole city.

huh, thanks.

don't worry roberto, I'm not REALLY stalking you...I tried looking for your home on HAR is all.

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huh, thanks.

don't worry roberto, I'm not REALLY stalking you...I tried looking for your home on HAR is all.

The house is in Idylwood ... I wouldn't be able to afford a house like this in the Medical Center!!! LOL Home prices are way too expensive there! Arent' they? We actually looked at one on Palm Street (close to Almeda, it's sold already) but it needed so much work.

The house is right in front of the bayou, no obstructed view, beautiful setting, the park is only

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Thanks!

This is actually the first time I'm going to live inside the loop, I've been in Alief all this time ...

i think you should enjoy idylwood. i've lived in alief my whole life, but have family and friends over in that area - we've been looking at homes in country club place nearby.

i think you should enjoy idylwood. i've lived in alief my whole life, but have family and friends over in that area - we've been looking at homes in country club place nearby.

BTW - does anyone know how i can find out who built the homes in that area? my grandmothers' home is near the convent on Lawndale, and was built in 1940 and i'd like to know more about it.

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I love the East End. I drove through N Wayside from i-45 to i-10 and i must say i am impressed. The houses have a very distinct flavour. The whole area is so charmful. :sigh:

Compared to the Suburban development, i feel East Houston has alot more to offer. The houses we checked out in the Suburbs dont have as much of an attraction as the houses off I-45 East. Suburban houses look like they were built for the sake of profit. :( On the other hand, you find culture, history and some kind of attraction i cant describe, in the East. The atmosphere and mood of the area is so great!

I especially like the plethora of trees all around the subdivisions.

The only thing i dislike are the feeder roads of I-45. Used Car Shops, abandoned motels, etc - it just looks yucky. But you have to drive past all that and drive into the core of the East.

Eastwood, Idylwood, and Lawndale. My favs.

The streets named after the alphabets (ave A, Ave B. . . etc) remind me of Newark. :)

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The only thing i dislike are the feeder roads of I-45. Used Car Shops, abandoned motels, etc - it just looks yucky. But you have to drive past all that and drive into the core of the East.

No doubt! The civic associations and superneighborhood group worked hard to get the motel at the corner of Wayside and 45 torn down. It finally happened in late 2004. Idylwood residents got very excited, as the corner seemed to be a natural for a decent-sized shopping center. Unfortunately, nothing has been developed and the clinic next door closed and turned into something else. No progress at all! The bright side is that the Champion used car lot and Stelaris ballroom properties were sold to a single developer a couple of years ago. I believe the plan is for a shopping center, and that they are just waiting on the lease to expire. At least that is the word on the street. :)

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No doubt! The civic associations and superneighborhood group worked hard to get the motel at the corner of Wayside and 45 torn down. It finally happened in late 2004. Idylwood residents got very excited, as the corner seemed to be a natural for a decent-sized shopping center. Unfortunately, nothing has been developed and the clinic next door closed and turned into something else. No progress at all! The bright side is that the Champion used car lot and Stelaris ballroom properties were sold to a single developer a couple of years ago. I believe the plan is for a shopping center, and that they are just waiting on the lease to expire. At least that is the word on the street. :)

An HPD officer told us that that motel was torn down because it had become a drug dealing den. It is potentially a good corner but the transition in the area is still early to expect anything great retail-wise around there.

It does look like something is about to open in the new stripcenter at Lawndale + Wayside though. Small cafe tables and a serving window so it's got to be food or beverages. Someone mentioned a coffee shop earlier in this thread. A taqueria would be more likely because behind the counter is closed for the most part, but we will see.

Good news about the car lot and Stelaris. And, Wulfe has the Oshmans for sale so in a few years we could see a the beginnings of retail rebirth. Stelaris Ballroom is a decent piece of 40s architecture. Perhaps it can be reused.

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Danax,

Passing by the end unit looks like it is going to be a Farmers Insurance Agency. They were working on the south side of the building earlier but I can't tell what it will be yet. Nice little center though but tight on parking.

Scharpe St Guy

An HPD officer told us that that motel was torn down because it had become a drug dealing den. It is potentially a good corner but the transition in the area is still early to expect anything great retail-wise around there.

It does look like something is about to open in the new stripcenter at Lawndale + Wayside though. Small cafe tables and a serving window so it's got to be food or beverages. Someone mentioned a coffee shop earlier in this thread. A taqueria would be more likely because behind the counter is closed for the most part, but we will see.

Good news about the car lot and Stelaris. And, Wulfe has the Oshmans for sale so in a few years we could see a the beginnings of retail rebirth. Stelaris Ballroom is a decent piece of 40s architecture. Perhaps it can be reused.

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[As a property owner in East End for many years & hubby ol' home place was Eastwood, we're happy to see the new development. How could an area with such a rich history have been unknown for so long?

Reading messages, there is mention of "unknown/untapped potential" areas around Country Club Estates & Idlywood. There are great buys in these areas. I've owned a house in the Sunnylan subdivision area for years & the area just seems to be unknown. There are numerous "unknown/under appreciated" small subdivisions along Lawndale from Telephone to Wayside. They border the Gulf Fwy on the South. Also just across the freeway @ Telephone is more "untapped potential". Being a pioneer is not easy nor is it always profitable unless one is in it for the "long run". I have a house in that area I'm wanting to sell in the near future & hope I can find a buyer who can "appreciate an underdeveloped jewel in the rough" enough to pay me a decent price.

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[As a property owner in East End for many years & hubby ol' home place was Eastwood, we're happy to see the new development. How could an area with such a rich history have been unknown for so long?

Reading messages, there is mention of "unknown/untapped potential" areas around Country Club Estates & Idlywood. There are great buys in these areas. I've owned a house in the Sunnylan subdivision area for years & the area just seems to be unknown. There are numerous "unknown/under appreciated" small subdivisions along Lawndale from Telephone to Wayside. They border the Gulf Fwy on the South. Also just across the freeway @ Telephone is more "untapped potential". Being a pioneer is not easy nor is it always profitable unless one is in it for the "long run". I have a house in that area I'm wanting to sell in the near future & hope I can find a buyer who can "appreciate an underdeveloped jewel in the rough" enough to pay me a decent price.

i'm just gettin into real estate investing. this is the area i'm concentrating on. i believe this area is prime for growth.

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but these are only half-truths. Yes there are definitely people who moved into the area looking to make quick profits, but for the most part that isn't the case as people move into the area to actually set up a home and live in it. And yes, while many homes in the neighborhood need a lot of work, they are also priced significantly less than those in very good shape. Which beings me to my next point: It is very simplistic to compare a 10% decrease in market value year-over-year and say that values are declining. In old neighborhoods it is all about the quality of housing stock. The majority of homes that sold last year where not remodeled (or were badly remodeled) and so in need of quite a bit of work to bring them to standard. That was reflected in their selling price. In old neighborhoods you have to compare comparables.

And Idylwood homes not having enough closet space? I'm confused. You do realize these are 30's and 40's-era homes, right? Many homes still have one bathroom too! :D

Finally, the deed restrictions aren't yet fully approved, though there is no reason to think they won't be as support from the majority of homes is strong. Garage apartments are OK, just as long as they aren't rented out--single family only. No parking on the lawn, but parking in the street is fine as the streets are public and can't be regulated. And I'm not sure what you mean about the old round of restrictions being too strict. There was no previous round, only surveys to see what people were interested in seeing in the new restrictions. The new restrictions are on their website at http://www.idylwood-houston.org

I know this is an old post but whoever mentioned the restrictive nature of old deed restrictions may have been referring to the "caucasian clause." For many years, the deed restrictions in Idylwood stated that only caucasians could reside in Idylwood. That terminology was still in the deed restrictions, although no longer legally enforceable, until recently. I live in Idylwood and, no, I am not caucasian.

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Someone mentioned Idylwood a while ago and it reminded me of some thoughts I had from last week when I was there visiting a friend. Nice, historica area surrounded by nice landscaping and natural scenery. However, with that, it seems as if it is detached from some of the other nearby areas, areas that aren't quite as impressive but are far from dicey.

It also looks as if it could be the catalyst for a larger resurgence of the area in general if someone invested in amenities such as expanded retail, roads (both Wayside and Lawdale are in pretty rough shape).

Brays Bayou could be rehabbed into quite a jewel, given the green and tree-lined surroundings.

Culturally and commercially, there could be more connectivity between Idylwood and some of the other areas to the immediate east and west. Some of the empty parcels along I-45 just south of the area could be replaced by new housing or businesses (the old Quality Inn Hotel has been demolished but I have no idea if there will be anything to replace it).

Anyone else familiar with the area?

There are many great remarks/truths responding to your questions. Too long to read them all. In case no one mentioned, the taxes are very expensive here, no surprise. I have lived around there since a kid, had friends that owned homes there. Only real drawback you should think about is FLOODING. Stay away from that bayou unless you don't mind cleaning up every few years. Another obstacle, those pain in the rear low-low-income apartments next door (Sylvan street area). That dump produces the worse element you can imagine. My brother made a big mistake of buying his house on that street. There is a steady flow of vagrants and recent parolees going up & down Sylvan st to that disgusting store on the corner at Wayside. Everyone carries booze under their arm. The party never stops. Homeless crowd party out on the side 24/7. Cops cant handle the overload. There are also many sewage problems because of the bayou. Along the edge of that bayou there is a steady homeless population and recent newcomers (guess what border). Sure ain't Canada!

I know people want to sell these homes but consider the angst, getting in and out of there can be hellish too with the hardcore backups from Wayside to get to 45.

Sorry to be honest, but I wouldn't want someone to sugarcoat the truth to me. Been here since 1968 seen it all!

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There are many great remarks/truths responding to your questions. Too long to read them all. In case no one mentioned, the taxes are very expensive here, no surprise. I have lived around there since a kid, had friends that owned homes there. Only real drawback you should think about is FLOODING. Stay away from that bayou unless you don't mind cleaning up every few years. Another obstacle, those pain in the rear low-low-income apartments next door (Sylvan street area). That dump produces the worse element you can imagine. My brother made a big mistake of buying his house on that street. There is a steady flow of vagrants and recent parolees going up & down Sylvan st to that disgusting store on the corner at Wayside. Everyone carries booze under their arm. The party never stops. Homeless crowd party out on the side 24/7. Cops cant handle the overload. There are also many sewage problems because of the bayou. Along the edge of that bayou there is a steady homeless population and recent newcomers (guess what border). Sure ain't Canada!

I know people want to sell these homes but consider the angst, getting in and out of there can be hellish too with the hardcore backups from Wayside to get to 45.

Sorry to be honest, but I wouldn't want someone to sugarcoat the truth to me. Been here since 1968 seen it all!

Some of the houses closest to the bayou flood, thats it. A "steady flow" of vagrants thru Idylwood's western edge? Partys "24/7"? I don't think so.

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Some of the houses closest to the bayou flood, thats it. A "steady flow" of vagrants thru Idylwood's western edge? Partys "24/7"? I don't think so.

Well along the bayou across lawndale from idylwood there were little tents in the woods because i used to ride the bike trail prior to the bayou widening.

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Well along the bayou across lawndale from idylwood there were little tents in the woods because i used to ride the bike trail prior to the bayou widening.

Correct,

We knew (scary) the person that lived in that home that was demolished at the eastern end of Sylvan street as it curved around to the park. He resembled Charlie Manson. Unfortunatly, he let the house go beyond repair, his marbles also went as years passed sad to say and he allowed vagrants to live there free, one had a trailor parked on the edge of the bayou. There may have been more later not sure. It got so bad the place resembled a hippie commune of the 60's. I assure that majority of folks were convicts, etc. It's hard to believe that the house once apppeared in "House Beautiful" magazine back in the mid 1950's due to it's innovative moderne appearance. Over the years it had lost its patios, detail, & huge entertaiment area due to flooding. Foundation washed out by the water over the years. When I realized the owner was not dealing with reality I basically went away. I was referring to the other end of Sylvan by that crummy little store when I meant steady flow of freaks. Drive (or walk) by and try to count the bottles of alcohol. I also know a lady at the corner and she and others there have had stolen cars crash into thier homes on several occasions. That is a real dead man's curve. I am not exxagerating just go to a Super neighborhhod town hall meeting, coincidentally there is one tonight at Vila de matel convent. They have photos & documents on the subject. It's those ravaged apartments too. Just take a peek, I mean in the late evening. Great filming location for cops & America's Most Wanted.

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I am about to move in to Idylwood. By the end of the month McGregor will be my new home street and I am excited to be in that neighborhood ... I so much looked for a house there and I am glad! I love the area! I found it amazing that lots of people do not know about Idylwood!

Who else in this forum lives in Idylwood? I'd like to have new friends!

Let me know ...

Roberto

Robert,

In case you havent seen the latest: Here is a bite of reality. Kind od like when dirt is swept under the rug...

Well along the bayou across lawndale from idylwood there were little tents in the woods because i used to ride the bike trail prior to the bayou widening.

Correct,

We knew (scary) the person that lived in that home that was demolished at the eastern end of Sylvan street as it curved around to the park. He resembled Charlie Manson. Unfortunately, he let the house go beyond repair, his marbles also went as years passed sad to say and he allowed vagrants to live there free, one had a trailor parked on the edge of the bayou. There may have been more later not sure. It got so bad the place resembled a hippie commune of the 60's. I assure that majority of folks were convicts, etc. It's hard to believe that the house once apppeared in "House Beautiful" magazine back in the mid 1950's due to it's innovative moderne appearance. Over the years it had lost its patios, detail, & huge entertaiment area due to flooding. Foundation washed out by the water over the years. When I realized the owner was not dealing with reality I basically went away. I was referring to the other end of Sylvan by that crummy little store when I meant steady flow of freaks. Drive (or walk) by and try to count the bottles of alcohol. I also know a lady at the corner and she and others there have had stolen cars crash into thier homes on several occasions. That is a real dead man's curve. I am not exxagerating just go to a Super neighborhhod town hall meeting, coincidentally there is one tonight at Vila de matel convent. They have photos & documents on the subject. It's those ravaged apartments too. Just take a peek, I mean in the late evening. Great filming location for cops & America's Most Wanted. John Walsh where are you?!

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Robert,

In case you havent seen the latest: Here is a bite of reality. Kind od like when dirt is swept under the rug...

Well along the bayou across lawndale from idylwood there were little tents in the woods because i used to ride the bike trail prior to the bayou widening.

Correct,

We knew (scary) the person that lived in that home that was demolished at the eastern end of Sylvan street as it curved around to the park. He resembled Charlie Manson. Unfortunately, he let the house go beyond repair, his marbles also went as years passed sad to say and he allowed vagrants to live there free, one had a trailor parked on the edge of the bayou. There may have been more later not sure. It got so bad the place resembled a hippie commune of the 60's. I assure that majority of folks were convicts, etc. It's hard to believe that the house once apppeared in "House Beautiful" magazine back in the mid 1950's due to it's innovative moderne appearance. Over the years it had lost its patios, detail, & huge entertaiment area due to flooding. Foundation washed out by the water over the years. When I realized the owner was not dealing with reality I basically went away. I was referring to the other end of Sylvan by that crummy little store when I meant steady flow of freaks. Drive (or walk) by and try to count the bottles of alcohol. I also know a lady at the corner and she and others there have had stolen cars crash into thier homes on several occasions. That is a real dead man's curve. I am not exxagerating just go to a Super neighborhhod town hall meeting, coincidentally there is one tonight at Vila de matel convent. They have photos & documents on the subject. It's those ravaged apartments too. Just take a peek, I mean in the late evening. Great filming location for cops & America's Most Wanted. John Walsh where are you?!

Oh please, Idylwood is about as tame as it gets anywhere. Doesn't mean nothing ever happens, but it is not the zoo your description paints of it. There aren't that many apartment units even over there near Sylvan. If there are tents across lawndale back off by the cemetery and golf course, thats not in Idylwood, that's across Lawndale. You always see people out in Idylwood walking their dogs, jogging, etc. I see that all the time in there. I have never seen what you describe down in there. It may exist to some small degree, but it exists to some small degree almost everywhere. its the reality of living in the 4th largest city in the US. Not just the east end. Read the Woodlands threads on here and even out there they have some issues.

I get the impression you are very down about the whole area. But, the whole area is transitioning, I think you have seen rock bottom. Once those townhomes in the warehouse district really get rolling, and they will, things are going to continue to gain steam all through there. We will probably all be complaining that we miss the days before it became too much like suburbia!

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I completely agree. If I had the money laying around I'd buy everything in 77023 that was 150k and under.

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Oh please, Idylwood is about as tame as it gets anywhere. Doesn't mean nothing ever happens, but it is not the zoo your description paints of it. There aren't that many apartment units even over there near Sylvan. If there are tents across lawndale back off by the cemetery and golf course, thats not in Idylwood, that's across Lawndale. You always see people out in Idylwood walking their dogs, jogging, etc. I see that all the time in there. I have never seen what you describe down in there. It may exist to some small degree, but it exists to some small degree almost everywhere. its the reality of living in the 4th largest city in the US. Not just the east end. Read the Woodlands threads on here and even out there they have some issues.

I get the impression you are very down about the whole area. But, the whole area is transitioning, I think you have seen rock bottom. Once those townhomes in the warehouse district really get rolling, and they will, things are going to continue to gain steam all through there. We will probably all be complaining that we miss the days before it became too much like suburbia!

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Oh please, Idylwood is about as tame as it gets anywhere. Doesn't mean nothing ever happens, but it is not the zoo your description paints of it. There aren't that many apartment units even over there near Sylvan. If there are tents across lawndale back off by the cemetery and golf course, thats not in Idylwood, that's across Lawndale. You always see people out in Idylwood walking their dogs, jogging, etc. I see that all the time in there. I have never seen what you describe down in there. It may exist to some small degree, but it exists to some small degree almost everywhere. its the reality of living in the 4th largest city in the US. Not just the east end. Read the Woodlands threads on here and even out there they have some issues.

I get the impression you are very down about the whole area. But, the whole area is transitioning, I think you have seen rock bottom. Once those townhomes in the warehouse district really get rolling, and they will, things are going to continue to gain steam all through there. We will probably all be complaining that we miss the days before it became too much like suburbia!

In all fairness, when I was scoping out the East End, a realtor told me about how a mailman in Idylwood had been robbed at gunpoint and forced to strip naked as they stole the truck just a few weeks before. That's pretty bad.

But having said that, and I'll also grant that Sylvan Street is used by many folks in nearby neighborhoods to get to the trails and parks on the bayou, Idylwood is otherwise a very nice place. My only real complaint was the propensity of yuppies. I can't stand them in large numbers. They are the reason why I can't stand the Eastwood Civic Assn. meetings.

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In all fairness, when I was scoping out the East End, a realtor told me about how a mailman in Idylwood had been robbed at gunpoint and forced to strip naked as they stole the truck just a few weeks before. That's pretty bad.

Yes, then I guess in all fairness you better stear clear of Spring because some kids might sodomize you with a pvc pipe, watch out in Kingwood or your neighbor might kill you and steal your car if you complain about their dog, so on and so forth. Those are all pretty bad, worse in fact, but weird isolated incidents are not representative of areas.

I'm sure they have a few issues over there, but nothing worse than some of the more so-called desirable areas of Houston Metro. Its a quiet area and on the bell curve, pretty safe.

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Yes, then I guess in all fairness you better stear clear of Spring because some kids might sodomize you with a pvc pipe, watch out in Kingwood or your neighbor might kill you and steal your car if you complain about their dog, so on and so forth. Those are all pretty bad, worse in fact, but weird isolated incidents are not representative of areas.

I'm sure they have a few issues over there, but nothing worse than some of the more so-called desirable areas of Houston Metro. Its a quiet area and on the bell curve, pretty safe.

I'd have to think that some of the examples you noted are probably more indicative of "weird isolated incidents", whereas Idylwood and surrounding neighborhoods probably get it at a more frequent rate, but your point is well taken. No place is immune to crime.

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LOL, i've heard the rose-colored glasses are common.

Haha, no. Look at the cars in Idylwood. Look at the sale prices in Idylwood. They're yuppies. Eastwood is on it's way too.

Seriously, I could never live in Montrose, Heights, Bellaire, West U., etc. I'm just not a good match for those neighborhoods. But I'm also not a good fit in the burbs. I just kind of want to do my own thing and not be bothered, and I know that I'll never find that kind of freedom in a place populated by an excessive number of yuppies.

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My only real complaint was the propensity of yuppies. I can't stand them in large numbers. They are the reason why I can't stand the Eastwood Civic Assn. meetings.

Yeah, well, at least it's better than having NO civic association! The ECA Board does have members from neighborhoods adjacent to Eastwood proper, I'm happy to say. One of my main complaints is that the civic ass'n. newsletter is published so infrequently. If I were more computer-savvy, I would offer to produce it on a more regular basis. Right now, with all the work on my house, I just don't have the time to learn desktop publishing skills.

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Outside of the small apartment buildings on Sylvan and the now-demolished house at Sylvan and MacGregor, Idylwood is a great neighborhood. We tried for years to get the apartments on Sylvan torn down or sold, but the owner pulled the 'disabled' card, and the County's law firm said that the County wouldn't take the property for its back taxes.

If you check out HPD's crime stats (which honestly are the best indication we have as to the problems of any area), you will see issues in Idylwood proper are very low. When I lived there, the worst we had were auto burglaries and that poor woman's cat that was killed. HPD and the Constables keep a pretty good eye on the place (I would leave my car on the street any night in Idylwood versus dowtown where I live now!).

Given some of the surrounding areas, I'm amazed that Idylwood doesn't have more crime.

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Haha, no. Look at the cars in Idylwood. Look at the sale prices in Idylwood. They're yuppies. Eastwood is on it's way too.

Seriously, I could never live in Montrose, Heights, Bellaire, West U., etc. I'm just not a good match for those neighborhoods. But I'm also not a good fit in the burbs. I just kind of want to do my own thing and not be bothered, and I know that I'll never find that kind of freedom in a place populated by an excessive number of yuppies.

I guess Idylwood is safe but not immune from crime. In the five years I have lived there, my vehicle has been broken into one time and that is because I parked it on the street while kids were out for the summer. I don't do that anymore. My house was also egged twice - probably by kids.

As far as the "yuppie" complaint I am not sure it is entirely accurate although it is certainly headed in that direction. It seems that the folks in Idylwood are either older folks who have been there for decades (and seem to be dying off) or the young families and young couples who have recently moved it and, yes, they tend to be yuppies.

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What is the definition of Yuppie in the context of this thread?

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The way I understood it and on which I based my response was the "generic" young urban professional.

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What is the definition of Yuppie in the context of this thread?

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Consumption-minded individuals with a drive to be hip or trendy, and that seem to have more dollars than sense. There are plenty of variants of yuppies, though. A fair number of them have a high need for power and control. They are my personal nemesis, as I just want autonomy.

Having said that, they also comprise my primary target market for most urban projects that I work on, so they're directly and indirectly the source of my dollars and basis for my own consumption. So I might be a self-loathing hypocrite...possibly. I'm not sure.

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Consumption-minded individuals with a drive to be hip or trendy, and that seem to have more dollars than sense. There are plenty of variants of yuppies, though. A fair number of them have a high need for power and control. They are my personal nemesis, as I just want autonomy.

LOL! I think most young Idylwood folks would think of themselves as bobos (bourgeois bohemian, see Bobos in Paradise by David Brooks) rather than yuppies. Although, some would say a bobo is just a yuppie with a conscious.

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Having said that, they also comprise my primary target market for most urban projects that I work on, so they're directly and indirectly the source of my dollars and basis for my own consumption. So I might be a self-loathing hypocrite...possibly. I'm not sure.

I LOL'd :D

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LOL! I think most young Idylwood folks would think of themselves as bobos (bourgeois bohemian, see Bobos in Paradise by David Brooks) rather than yuppies. Although, some would say a bobo is just a yuppie with a conscious.

I'm not familiar with the term or Brooks, so what I'm going on is what you've told me and what is available on Wikipedia (although I detect a conservative slant from their explanation). But that term seems to sum it up pretty well.

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LOL! I think most young Idylwood folks would think of themselves as bobos (bourgeois bohemian, see Bobos in Paradise by David Brooks) rather than yuppies. Although, some would say a bobo is just a yuppie with a conscious.

I think most of us believe ourselves to be urban pioneers, having discovered a part of town none of our friends even knew existed. Conversations between new, young Idylwooders would usually begin "Can you believe this cool neighborhood exists in Houston, and is actually affordable?" followed by "So what's the best way to get to Whole Foods from here?" :D

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I think most of us believe ourselves to be urban pioneers, having discovered a part of town none of their friends even knew existed. Conversations between new, young Idylwooders would usually begin "Can you believe this cool neighborhood exists in Houston, and is actually affordable?" followed by "So what's the best way to get to Whole Foods from here?" :D

1st I can only say that everyone here has valid and correct responses. However...

If I can interject (politely) when there was a note about the apts on Sylvan street the person was also referring to the HUGE apt complex tucked in the back (where years ago we fought to block with a wall) which didnt work for long. I urge you to drive by there and take a gander. The wall is either gone or is an iron gate that has been broken and or bars bent for easy passage. This complex is next to AAMA you can see the big sign from 45. It is across the street from what used to be Oshman's offices years ago big ugly brick building with funky mural on the side. Urban blight my friends no matter how you look at it. Idlywood has been fighting to keep it blocked for years but civil rights group claim its injustice. Same happened at Country Club Place over behind The Dinner Bell restaurant. (There are numerous threads about that too). I personally know the lady (name not mentioned) that lives on that corner house with the 2 palm trees and she says she cant wait to get out. Go to the beggining (I think this thread) where several of the homes get crashed into by drunks on the dead mans curve. There is no doubt that Idlywood is scenic and quiet just avoid Sylvan st. my brother regrets buying a house there. His car was hit so hard it was pushed into the corner of the bedroom (as they slept) a few years ago and yes the driver took off running towards that big complex. You may want to talk to the old timers if any left and they will be very knowledgable on the subject. You be the judge.

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1st I can only say that everyone here has valid and correct responses. However...

If I can interject (politely) when there was a note about the apts on Sylvan street the person was also referring to the HUGE apt complex tucked in the back (where years ago we fought to block with a wall) which didnt work for long. I urge you to drive by there and take a gander. The wall is either gone or is an iron gate that has been broken and or bars bent for easy passage. This complex is next to AAMA you can see the big sign from 45. It is across the street from what used to be Oshman's offices years ago big ugly brick building with funky mural on the side. Urban blight my friends no matter how you look at it. Idlywood has been fighting to keep it blocked for years but civil rights group claim its injustice. Same happened at Country Club Place over behind The Dinner Bell restaurant. (There are numerous threads about that too). I personally know the lady (name not mentioned) that lives on that corner house with the 2 palm trees and she says she cant wait to get out. Go to the beggining (I think this thread) where several of the homes get crashed into by drunks on the dead mans curve. There is no doubt that Idlywood is scenic and quiet just avoid Sylvan st. my brother regrets buying a house there. His car was hit so hard it was pushed into the corner of the bedroom (as they slept) a few years ago and yes the driver took off running towards that big complex. You may want to talk to the old timers if any left and they will be very knowledgable on the subject. You be the judge.

The stats do show that, consistently, Sylvan has more crime than other streets in Idylwood. Further, whenever someone inquires about Idylwood I do suggest that they look at buying anywhere but Sylvan. I do so because of the crime, homes tend to stay on the market much longer there than elsewhere in the neighborhood, and I often hear Idylwood folks speaking negatively about the apartments next to Sylvan. Having said all of that, however, I don't feel unsafe when walking down Sylvan and it does not seem that bad to me - probably because I don't live on that street.

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1st I can only say that everyone here has valid and correct responses. However...

If I can interject (politely) when there was a note about the apts on Sylvan street the person was also referring to the HUGE apt complex tucked in the back (where years ago we fought to block with a wall) which didnt work for long. I urge you to drive by there and take a gander. The wall is either gone or is an iron gate that has been broken and or bars bent for easy passage. This complex is next to AAMA you can see the big sign from 45. It is across the street from what used to be Oshman's offices years ago big ugly brick building with funky mural on the side. Urban blight my friends no matter how you look at it. Idlywood has been fighting to keep it blocked for years but civil rights group claim its injustice. Same happened at Country Club Place over behind The Dinner Bell restaurant. (There are numerous threads about that too). I personally know the lady (name not mentioned) that lives on that corner house with the 2 palm trees and she says she cant wait to get out. Go to the beggining (I think this thread) where several of the homes get crashed into by drunks on the dead mans curve. There is no doubt that Idlywood is scenic and quiet just avoid Sylvan st. my brother regrets buying a house there. His car was hit so hard it was pushed into the corner of the bedroom (as they slept) a few years ago and yes the driver took off running towards that big complex. You may want to talk to the old timers if any left and they will be very knowledgable on the subject. You be the judge.

Totally agree with you. Those poor Magnolia trees at the bend on Sylvan have seen more than their fair share of collisions. And the large complex between Idylwood and the freeway are probably *the* source of problems in the area.

With that said, I will add that a friend of mine lives in the Perry townhomes adjacent to Alexan Lofts on Runnels. Next door to the Alexan is Clayton Homes, quite infamous in its own right. My friend's windows have been been broken so many times (once while we were only a few feet away!) that he finally had plexiglass storm-type windows put over them.

The sociological issues are probably too great to go into here, but honestly very few areas are safe from random "I'm going to take what you have" type problems. I imagine the people living in Shady Acres face this all the time. See it often enough, and even a liberal like me thinks seriously about a concealed handgun.

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Do a mapquest search for 1508 N MacGregor Way...it actually is in Idylwood, right across the bayou from Forest Park Cemetary. (I always thought this one little "bastard" stretch of N MacGregor was a bit goofy, but it's there)

I think that's one of the most beautiful spots in the whole city.

Strange that this little stretch is named N. MacGregor Way. Wonder why. The sloping terrain is similar to Riverside's.

I agree, it's a special spot.

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Totally agree with you. Those poor Magnolia trees at the bend on Sylvan have seen more than their fair share of collisions. And the large complex between Idylwood and the freeway are probably *the* source of problems in the area.

Perhaps our prayers are finally being answered. Those blasted apts are being gutted but hard to tell if its going to be demolished (crossing fingers) :rolleyes:

That corner convenience store will continue to attract the local vermin & degenerates from those nearby crack motels. Back on the subject from original creater of this topic, Idylwood has always been a beautiful place to live but its that nearby bayou that is a continous threat. See actual pics from Hurricane Ike & its Effects on Near East End topic here. The bayou is one thing to deal with AND the hell trying to get in & out of there ie; Wayside is quite hellish day & night. We have seen numerous tragic wrecks along that stretch over the decades & now its so much more crowded than ever. Oy vey! (throwing hands up in the air) :)

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Well, I have to weigh in here. I've lived here since the late 70's, my husband since the 60's and I've never seen or heard of the brick wall you mention to block the apartments behind the homes on Sylvan.

There was an original 'gate' put up that our then mayor objected to and it was ultimately moved to another location on Maxwell. It was put up, at the expense of residents, because of all the cut through traffic on Sylvan.

The store on the corner? Years ago there was a neighborhood bar there. The Sylvan Road apartments? Yes, they've supposedly been sold and gutted. HCAD has not been updated but word is the new owner wants to renovate.

As far as flooding on the bayou. Yes, that's been a problem for some time but......where in Houston, parts that have bayous, is there not a problem when we have huge amounts of rain? And, for some of those houses along Brays that were badly affected, there's talk of FEMA buyouts. The next time you drive through Idylwood, there may be more vacant lots. Those lots would remain vacant forever.

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