President Kennedy in Houston Nov. 21, 1963

[H-Town Man 4859]

Yes, H-Town Man;

Those other men knew waht they were up to. In that picture you can almost see the lamb being led to slaughter. While jfk was no inocent lamb, they shouldn't have done what they did. They should have just qaited for the Marylin Monroe stuff to come out...oh wait she was already gone. Very sad.

I know, it's horrible. JFK was certainly no angel, but he didn't deserve what he got. He didn't deserve having Lyndon Johnson kill him.

[musicman 192]

I know, it's horrible. JFK was certainly no angel, but he didn't deserve what he got. He didn't deserve having Lyndon Johnson kill him.

i'm sure the secret service would like to know the details.

Edited May 6, 2007 by musicman

[digitalcowboymagic 2]

i'm sure the secret service would like to know the details.

The Secret Service was an unwitting psrtnrt in the whole deal. I had heard that clint Hill had a special relationship with Jackie. He was protecting her, not him.

[TJones 50]

$900K for the Hearse today. That is a ridiculous price. I love this country !

Hey digital, do you think maybe there was evidence left in the Hearse, and somebody wanting to protect LBJ bought it, so that they could preserve LBJ's good name ?

Edited May 6, 2007 by TJones

[digitalcowboymagic 2]

$900K for the Hearse today. That is a ridiculous price. I love this country !

Hey digital, do you think maybe there was evidence left in the Hearse, and somebody wanting to protect LBJ bought it, so that they could preserve LBJ's good name ?

No, all of the good evidence was in the Lincoln, which at Parkland was scrubbed clean for some reason. I have some pictures of the limo parked outside of Parkland and you can clearly see a bucket next to it that was used to wipe it down. I know that on one of these threads there is a picture of the limo as it sits on display in Dearborn, Michigan. However that one is not exactly the one JFK was riding in. It is a "reconstruction" of the original one. If you get a chance there is this good book, very rare, but available in most university libraries called "LBJ a Study of Illegetimate Power", it goes into detail about what a crook, and all around scoundrel LBJ and his cronies were.

[mkultra25 1179]

$900K for the Hearse today. That is a ridiculous price. I love this country !

What's ridiculous is that it didn't sell at $900K - the reserve was $1 million, and the owner declined to sell it when it didn't meet reserve. He should've taken the $900K and laughed all the way to the bank, as I seriously doubt he'll get anything close to that kind of offer again.

[igemini 1]

I'd sure like to know if anyone can validate that John F. Kennedy spoke at NASA the day before he was assasinated in Dallas? So, did he lecture/speak at NASA Nov 20, 1963?

Thanks.

[digitalcowboymagic 2]

No, he did not speak at NASA the day before he was murdered. He spoke of NASA on September 16, 1962 at Rice University, perhaps one of his greatest speaches ever. There was even an opened top limo ride down Main Street. You can find the picture in the Houston Chronicle archives at the library.

Chris

[Vertigo58 24]

No, he did not speak at NASA the day before he was murdered. He spoke of NASA on September 16, 1962 at Rice University, perhaps one of his greatest speaches ever. There was even an opened top limo ride down Main Street. You can find the picture in the Houston Chronicle archives at the library.

Chris

I just have to chunk this in here somewhere. The recent movie Bobby IMO was quite good as far as the detail of that fateful day in 1968. The DVD gives great incite to research done to prepare for the film. The 60's decade just seemec to be such a downer for America, it was one tragedy after another even while Vietnam raged on. I never realized that Bobby was trying to end the Vietnam war.

[nm5k 7]

Not exactly, however I do know that there are evil men everywhere. And most of them are elected (supposedly elected) officials.

C.

There were some weird things that happened that day..

It's kinda wierd.. I just ran across two clips dealing with

this recently..

One was a clip I ran across on you tube.

It deals with the supposed yanking of the secret

service bodyguards off that motorcade.. Kinda strange..

The agents seemed to think so too..

Another is the "KILT" audio which was recorded at the

time the bulletins first hit the air that afternoon.

http://vasthead.com/Radio/KILT/KILT_1963_11-22.mp3

Now, obviously there are problems in the info they are

getting.. IE: they thought LBJ was shot at one point.

The part I thought was sort of interesting is the first

details of the shooting, the first details of the wound

locations..

The first reports aired, claimed the shots seem to come

from the grassy knoll.. :/ It was a bit later that they also

started looking at the buildings behind them also..

Also, the first reports of the wound location claim he

was shot in the temple, from the front.. :/

I have also seen reports that the first doctors that

looked at him thought he was shot from the front, and

reported as such, but this was changed later..

Myself, I dunno.. I'm kinda mixed on whether Oswald

was the lone gunman..

My gut instinct tells me he was not alone, but I'm not

quite sure I would want to label the goverment as

being in on the scheme. It's possible some members

of government might have been in on it though.

IE: if they had mob connections, etc.. I'm still

not totally convinced the mob didn't have something

to do with it. And having a "mobster" IE: Ruby, kill

the shooter is just like something the mob would

cook up to keep him quiet. And Ruby did have some

mob connections so they say.

And the mob had a motive of sorts..

#1, JFK had that mob guy up in Chicago not too happy

with him.. And #2, RFK was constantly on their butts

about one thing or another.

I won't even get into all the Cuban stuff..

He had people mad at him for that deal...

It's enough to make you wonder sometimes..

I really don't see LBJ being in on it.. Why would

anyone tell the VP they are going to kill the prez..

Doesn't really make sense.

MK

[musicman 192]

danax talk to the ex nasa photographer in the nabe and ask for her pics taken on the 21st of nov 1963 as the pres and jackie were driving up the gulf freeway with the carrousel in the background.

[nmainguy 12]

I'd sure like to know if anyone can validate that John F. Kennedy spoke at NASA the day before he was assasinated in Dallas? So, did he lecture/speak at NASA Nov 20, 1963?

Thanks.

He did not speak at NASA that day. He went straight to the Rice; rushed past me without a glance while LBJ worked the line and patted me on the head; Went upstairs; took a nap; ate some quail; went to the Colusiem for a chicken dinner tribute organized by Albert Thomas for Albert Thomas; left and went to Hobby; flew to Fort Worth; woke up; ate breakfast; gave a parking lot speech; flew to Love and had his brains blown out into his wife's lap by a guy who was a really good shot who knew how to take three shots in a little over 4 1/2 seconds-if you started your stop-watch with the first. I'm a lousy shot but I could take down Bambi's mom with the same 3.

[Vertigo58 24]

There was a great special last night on PBS titled "Oswald's Ghost" .

They will never know the real culprit behind this event.

If only you could have heard some of the outlandish ideas that came to mind of whom to blame.

I always thought there were more than just 300-400 people in Dealy Plaza that fateful day.

American Experience is the best:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/oswald/

[Retama 3]

I watched Oswald's Ghost, it was pretty good. PBS did an even better documentary about Oswald called, "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" It was very spooky and it revisited many of the old places where LHO lived in the past, particularly his old New Orleans haunts. Damn good.

[Vertigo58 24]

I watched Oswald's Ghost, it was pretty good. PBS did an even better documentary about Oswald called, "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" It was very spooky and it revisited many of the old places where LHO lived in the past, particularly his old New Orleans haunts. Damn good.

Kind of saddens me to see that there are so many websites that highlight the actual shooting. I still can't watch it. Just growing up hearing about it was too much. I cant imagine what it was like for thsoe that were present.

[Vertigo58 24]

Lovefield Airport

Hotel room Jackie and John.

Edited January 29, 2008 by Vertigo58

[Vertigo58 24]

Jack Ruby's gun up for auction

LAS VEGAS, March 11 (UPI) -- The gun Jack Ruby used to kill presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald is up for auction in Las Vegas, with a starting bid of $1 million, a report said.

The .38-caliber Colt Cobra, which has been in private hands since 1967, will be auctioned at the Palms casino in Las Vegas, the Las Vegas Sun reported Tuesday.

The newspaper reported that artifacts relating to the 1963 assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy in Dallas and the subsequent slaying of Oswald wound up in private hands, with the exception of the rifle Oswald used to shoot the president.

The rife ended up in the National Archives in College Park, Md., along with other evidence from the Kennedy assassination.

Gary Mack, curator of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza in Dallas, told the newspaper he hopes the gun will return to Texas.

"It would be really nice if someone would buy it and donate it to us for the tax write-off," he said.

[Ashikaga 3]

What's ridiculous is that it didn't sell at $900K - the reserve was $1 million, and the owner declined to sell it when it didn't meet reserve. He should've taken the $900K and laughed all the way to the bank, as I seriously doubt he'll get anything close to that kind of offer again.

I read that the casket they got for JFK costs $3950, quite a bit of money back in 1963 for a box to be buried in. I'm so glad that I've donated my body to science when I kick the bucket.

[yuan1274 1]

What's ridiculous is that it didn't sell at $900K - the reserve was $1 million, and the owner declined to sell it when it didn't meet reserve. He should've taken the $900K and laughed all the way to the bank, as I seriously doubt he'll get anything close to that kind of offer again.

I read that the casket that was obtained in Dallas for JFK cost $3950. That was a good chunk of change back in 1963 for a box to be buried in. I'm glad I've donated my body to medical research.

[Vertigo58 24]

FYI,

Here is JFK in Houston speaking to The Greater Houston Ministerial Association on September 12, 1960 at Rice Rittenhouse Hotel.

[GEM 8]

22 November,1963:Southmore Intermediate in 8th.grade English class.........

[FilioScotia 152]

For Vertigo58

 

At the time it was just the Rice Hotel. The name Rittenhouse was added in the 70s. That name went away when the hotel closed in 1977.

 

My father and I were at that historic meeting of Houston ministers to see JFK defend his beliefs and, if elected, promise they would never affect his decisions as President. It didn't seem "historic" at the time, but it was. That didn't become apparent until much later.

 

The event was held for the benefit of ministers, and the room was filled with them, but the general public was also allowed in, so Dad and I got there early and got good seats up close.

 

I have an American Political History book that has a photo of JFK taken that night. The photog was standing off on the side of the rostrum looking over JFK's shoulder out at the audience, and my dad and I are clearly visible several rows out. I was 17 and had just started my senior year at Pasadena HS.  

Edited November 19, 2013 by FilioScotia

[Subdude 1587]

A strange Houston connection if you believe in Kennedy assassination conspiracies:  After the assassination an reputed co-conspirator of Oswald's drove to Houston so he could go skating at the Winterland Ice Rink which I believe was on Portsmouth. 

 

 

[trymahjong 520]

On the front page of todays Chronicle.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/

The article talks about Houston Hispanics, which reminded me that Avondale has a small link to those events. The building ( a converted house on triangle of land bordered by Bagby, Baldwin and Anita) where the newly formed LULAC members brainstormed. The house is very very deteriorated. The fate of the house is unknown--even the ownership is murky. The house is outside the Avondale East Historic district protection which ends at Baldwin street. The plaque outside commemorates the organization rather than the building. I spoke with a new member who told me the remaining group that is interested in this building are divided---some would like to restore it the others to raze it and rebuild a new building that could be used by community.

[trymahjong 520]

On the front page of todays Chronicle.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/

The article talks about Houston Hispanics, which reminded me that Avondale has a small link to those events. The building ( a converted house on triangle of land bordered by Bagby, Baldwin and Anita) where the newly formed LULAC members brainstormed. The house is very very deteriorated. The fate of the house is unknown--even the ownership is murky. The house is outside the Avondale East Historic district protection which ends at Baldwin street. The plaque outside commemorates the organization rather than the building. I spoke with a new member who told me the remaining group that is interested in this building are divided---some would like to restore it the others to raze it and rebuild a new building that could be used by community.

found the pictures of the house.

[JLWM8609 706]

I found this photo taken on November 21, 1963. The Lincolns (I also think I see some Mercurys) in the foreground were used in President Kennedy's motorcade when he came to Houston that day. I've been looking at that photo to determine where it was taken. It looks like it's in front of a Lincoln/Mercury dealership, it might be Shepherd or Durham since it's a wide, one way throughofare, but it curves a bit in the background sort of like coming off the terminus of a freeway, or it could be somewhere downtown before the modern skyscrapers were built. I see a church in the background, it looks very familiar, but I know of a few churches in the area with similar architecture. Any of our resident historians want to take a guess as to where this photo was taken?

http://www.cah.utexas.edu/db/dmr/image_lg....iable=e_bb_2644

 

Six years later, and fifty years to the day that the pic was taken, I've figured out that this pic was taken at the corner of Clay and Smith. That church in the background is Antioch MBC.

[infinite_jim 935]

Six years later, and fifty years to the day that the pic was taken, I've figured out that this pic was taken at the corner of Clay and Smith. That church in the background is Antioch MBC.

Wow.. I walk through that parking lot (now a park) everyday. Thanks for sharing.

[JLWM8609 706]

Wow.. I walk through that parking lot (now a park) everyday. Thanks for sharing.

 

You're welcome. Here's a current day shot of that location. https://maps.google.com/?ll=29.755925,-95.370587&spn=0.00382,0.005284&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=29.75586,-95.370475&panoid=GmCQWnsOJbuURnZEF4-bOw&cbp=12,285.74,,0,10.24

 

Looks like there's a garage there now. I wonder what dealer that was? I know there was a Lincoln/Mercury dealership downtown, but pics showed it to be near the Houston House.

 

For the car guys, those are seven 1964 Lincoln Continental convertibles and three 1964 Mercury convertibles lined up there. In the lot are some 63 or 64 Continentals and a 63 Mercury Meteor wagon.

[Subdude 1587]

I would guess they were supplied by Raymond Pearson Lincoln Mercury. I have a picture somewhere of the downtown dealership. 

 

Those Lincoln Continentals were just perfect designs imo.

 

Great picture by the way.

 

 

 

 

[Subdude 1587]

OK, Raymond Pearson Lincoln Mercury was at 1320 Louisiana, immediately to the right of the area in the photo.  This is now the Hyatt Regency garage.  

[Michael12345 0]

He stayed the night at the Rice. They had a stiff back rocking chair installed for him in his suite for his back. The Rice Lofts has a plaque titled “The Kennedy Suite” where he stayed. If you go to liveattherice.com and click on history they talk all about it with pictures.

[Houston19514 4491]

1 hour ago, Michael12345 said:

He stayed the night at the Rice. They had a stiff back rocking chair installed for him in his suite for his back. The Rice Lofts has a plaque titled “The Kennedy Suite” where he stayed. If you go to liveattherice.com and click on history they talk all about it with pictures.

 

No, they did not stay the night at the Rice.  They were at the Rice briefly the day before, attendend a luncheon in the ballroom, and then flew to Fort Worth and spent the night in the Hotel Texas in Fort Worth.

[Tumbleweed_Tx 1766]

there's other times Kennedy stayed overnight in Houston, like when he gave the 'we do these things because they're difficult/why does Rice play Texas/Put A Man on the Moon" speech

[cowboybud 12]

On 6/8/2020 at 3:30 PM, Houston19514 said:

 

No, they did not stay the night at the Rice.  They were at the Rice briefly the day before, attendend a luncheon in the ballroom, and then flew to Fort Worth and spent the night in the Hotel Texas in Fort Worth.

 

Correct, now the Fort Worth Hilton. Stayed there a couple of years ago.