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  1. Hi T-Bird,

    Those are not Sprints. They are Midgets. I was told that the fellow all crossed up in the pic is A.J. Foyt. My best guess is that the man in the 9 car is Billy Griswold. You have to remember that the old fences changed a few times over the years. Anyway, great discussion. Maybe Mark can shed some light on this.


    I don't think you are referring to the same post that I referred to.

    My reply to Mark's post was on July 31, 2006. Mark's post that I replied to and referenced in my post was dated July 29, 2006, 8:20 PM. I guess that post and accompanying pictures have been deleted by Mark, because I no longer see it. It had pictures of a race track and some sprint cars that Mark said was Playland Park in Houston. I investigated and found that it was a Playland Park in Coucil Bluffs, IA. Mark later responded and agreed. That post has been deleted also.

    I think you are talking about a post dated August 1, 2006, 2:45 AM, that

    shows a picture of AJ turned sideways at Playland. Of course, those are midgets.

  2. From my earliest remembrances, Christie’s on South Main had a sign on the Main Street side of the building claiming, “We Serve Pizza Pie”. I don’t know if Vallian’s preceded them or not.

    Christie's came way before Valian's, at least it seemed that way to me. When I was a kid in the mid-40's, my folks would take me to Christie's after church on Sunday. I always got a dozen jumbo fried shrimp for $.75. Valian's came into being sometime in the early to mid-50's, I believe. I used to go there often while at Rice in that time-frame. I remember eating my first pizza there. It came with the aforementioned anchovies, and this was my first endeavor with that delicacy. Needless to say, I was not impressed with this new dish, known as pizza. In my later years, I have come to like them on my pizza, as well as taking a like to many other foods I did not care for in my youth.

  3. Yes, I remember this from when I was a kid. Back then that hotel in the pic was touted as having the most expensive suite (The Presidential Suite) on the planet. Starting at around 13,000 a night or something like that.

    Not quite that much in that era. See my post on an older thread.

  4. Anywho, the old Hermann Hospital is still in there somewhere, right? I'm talking about the physical building. It was never torn down, right? I think new construction surrounds it. I remember going into the lobby many years ago and remember that it had a Spanish style. I specifically remember green, Mexican tile.

    Here's a recent photo at Wikipedia

  5. And there is no doubt that the building at the far right side of the Life photo is Rice Univ. Lovett Hall.


    Compare the left side of this picture of Hermann with the part of the building shown in the Life photo. The Lovett Hall structure is not like that in the Life photo. Lovett would be further to the right and out of the Life picture.


  6. I believe the bldg. to the right in the photo (beautiful Life mag. shot) is the original Hermann Hospital Bldg, not a Rice Campus Bldg. Notice, it's a very wooded area.

    On second thought, I may be wrong, I do recall an original Rice Campus - Spanish style bldg. that sits in that general area. Is it Lovett Hall?

    It's one or the other.

    One 1920 map I just referenced shows a train trolley track paralleling S. Main, turns at Bellaire, southern border of Rice Campus.

    If you refer to the larger view of the topo. map provided by Sevfiv (post #2), you can see the S. Main track changing course slightly between the two circle figures at the Hermann Park entrance. I think this is the train track seen in the bottom of the Life picture. I veers a little crossing the roads, and straightens out again.

    I think you are correct about the building in the photo being the original Hermann Hospital. At first, I thought it was Lovett Hall, but, looking closer, the architecture doesn't match.

    Bellaire was not the southern border of the Rice campus. The southern border was where University Blvd is now located.

    In this 1921 photo, you can see in the upper right corner what was referred to as the "Toonerville Trolley", a one-car shuttle that connected with the streetcar line at Eagle Street. The large white structure in the center is the Autry House across Main St. from the Rice campus.


  7. My mother saved everything. While going through some old boxes awhile back, I came across this hospital bill from when my sister was born in 1927. Names have been deleted to protect the innocent. I thought it interesting in light of all the present discussion about healthcare costs today. When my kids were born in the early 60's, I remember the hospital bills from St. Lukes were $400-$500 and that was for a 4-5 day stay. I would be curious to know what the hospital costs for newborns have been since then, if anyone is willing to share that info.


  8. Here's a few photos showing Mading's Drugs (one 'D' not two) and Meyers Brothers, as well as a few arials. All of these are from 1957, the year it opened.


    That car on the far left, in picture #2, sure looks like a '62 Chevy. TJones... help!

  9. I've tried cropping, lightening, and blowing up that part without too much distortion to try and see the tracks a little better. I see the horizontal part and I think I see some of the approaching tracks. I may be influenced somewhat by the map.


  10. Hiya, folks...I know I'm coming into this thread really late, but does anyone know where the ice rink used to be? All I could find out was that it was on Hutchins Street but no street number. And I presume the building is no longer there? When did it close down? Thanks...

    Don't have an address, but it was at Hutchins and McGowen.

  11. There was also another very popular on complete opposite called "The End of Main Dance Hall or Club" named because well, it was at where Main st ended perhaps past now Med Center area is.

    The End o' Main was near the northwest corner of where 610 crosses Main. I think Sonny Look's was eventually at the same location.

  12. OK, I did a little more checking, and '53 is about right. It's between the two big building booms -- the postwar one that gave us Anderson Hall, Abercrombie Lab, the Nuclear Lab, and Wiess Hall (not originally built as a college as I had originally thought); and the late 50's one which gave us the Pierce-Pierce Science twins, Hamman Hall, the RMC, and the WMCA college additions to the old residence halls.

    I thought the immediate postwar stuff was later than it actually was.

    EDIT: A nuclear research lab built in '49? That was pretty darn cutting edge, I would think.

    Now I want to know more about that "house" next to the Physics Building that LunaticFringe noticed. Fox's book, while having a very detailed treatment of the Physics Building, does not mention it.

    I didn't remember that building, so I contacted an old classmate of mine from the mid-50's, who was a physics major, and asked him. His reply...

    "I'm not sure. There was a small Van de Graaff accelerator in that

    vicinity that was used by Prof. Jack Risser and a few students when I

    was a grad student, but I think that it was located in the long building

    to the right of your mystery building. Somewhat later, Prof. Charlie

    Squire got a cryogenic system on a truck-trailer

    from the Air Force for condensing liquid nitrogen or oxygen from air

    (while burning lots of diesel fuel and making lots of noise), and it was

    put in about that location you show, but that was later, about 1958. At

    a guess, the building might have been a shack housing the predecessor

    system for producing cryogenic liquids.

    Another possibility: you will also recall the the Physics Building

    used to also house the Biology Department, and that they moved out to

    thir own building in about 1957. The mystery building could have been

    theirs, perhaps for housing small animals without having the smell

    permeate the main building."

  13. Thanks for the pics, TBird! That second one is the best 50s aerial of Rice I have ever seen, and its pretty easy to see how it might have been a tempting cut-through from Rice Blvd to Main. Could that be a little later than '53? The Science triplets and the Memorial Center are not built, nor the College additions, but Wiess College and the Bonner Lab are.

    Possibly. I'm sure that's the date that was on my source. I believe that photo came from one of my old Rice publications. I'll check and get back, if I can find it.

  14. I have an aerial shot of the Med Center-Rice U. area taken in 1958 that I have cropped to show the old fire station area. I must have traveled by that place hundreds of times on my way to work in that time-frame, and I don't recall it. I know that Braeswood stopped at Main, so it does not appear in the photo. I think that part of Fannin was called Old Main or Knight Road back then.


  15. My kids went to E. A. Jones Elementary in the Ft Bend ISD in the late 60's- early 70's. Kids from both Stafford and Missouri City went there. The only other elementary schools that I remember in the FBISD at that time were in Sugar Land and Quail Valley. I think Quail Valley Elementary came about in the early 70's. Here is some info and history on the schools in that area that may help. Does not mention a Jefferson Elemenary though. Do you know where, in Stafford, it was located?

    This thread probably ought to be in the Sugar Land and the Southwest forum of the Houston Metro subject.

  16. The photo is a little fuzzy, but in the south view I can make out the South Main drive in theater screen as well as the Playland Park roller coaster. Best I can tell, the demolition of the race track grandstands had already taken place at the east end of the coaster. The large structure in the upper right must be the HL&P plant, but I may need a second opinion on that.

    4PROP... Second opinion here. If the HL&P facility you refer to was the one near the intersection of South Main and Hiram Clarke, I think the structure in the upper right is too far away to be it. The HL&P plant would be just above and a little bit to the right of the South Main Drive-In screen you pointed out. I don't think it's visible in that photo, but your eyes are far better than mine.

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