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  1. Made some more headway. In going from person to person being passed along I finally got in touch with someone that was able to give me enough information that I have enough to go on to start from the beginning and work my way forward. From what I was told was the building was designed by Stayton Nunn-Milton McGinty as an A-B-C Grocery store in 1936. Newspapers said the cost of construction would be between $35,000 and $40,000. Then in 1941 Henke and Pillot purchased the lot from A-B-C Grocery store and there they remained till Ivy Russell Ford purchased the lot from them in 1955. I thought they were there longer but apparently Henke and Pillot was the owners of the building in 1950 which is when the art deco remodeling took place as evident by this updated sanborn firemap that was provided to me. The sanborn firemap doesn't give dimensions of the building but does state that it is a Steel Frame with interior column and beam construction with curtain walls. It also shows like I suspected that the awning wrapped around the entire building. Like wise it states 18ft which would have to be the height I don't think the awning was 18ft above the ground so I think that would be the height from the ground to the roof or maybe the interior ceiling. Hard to tell but enough to progress my research for my diorama along though. Just need to find time to make a trip down town to some of the libraries I was informed of that has records that I could check and then I can start from the beginning. I don't believe the artdeco remodeling that was done was done without some kind of architect doing the design work first so I need to find his name and maybe I can find the plans for the remodeling of the building. Wont be showing interior layout of Ivy Russell though as this one in 1950 is showing it while it was still a grocery store. I do have a email placed with the library of congress in DC that has a sanborn maps of the harris county region of Houston dated 1955. But no online access. Trying to find out how I can obtain access to it to get a copy of this address itself. That's all I need maybe if its from 1955 with Ivy Russell Ford moving in to the location in 1955 maybe the 1955 maps would show interior layout as the dealership.
  2. Well I got word back from the Harris County Archives today. Seems like the whole file for that property has been lost aside from a land valuation card from 1969. Hopefully my reply email asking how are the property organized, could it be possible it was filed along with what I am finding out right now a main location with a different address. Maybe someone goofed on that at one time. I always thought though that the downtown location came after they moved from this location here but apparently what I am hearing is they both existed at the same time and this was their small second location doing sales only which makes me wonder what is in those walled off areas surely they cant be all offices. Seems like way too many offices for such a small dealership with such a small lot selection as evident by the parking along the northern fence in the 1952/53 aerial image.
  3. Really? There was no service department for the location? I wonder what was in the back then where there were no glass walls at then. I figure the wall you can see to the right side that is aligned with the glass blocks above the awning I figured that might be sales offices but there is quite a bit of space on the left side past the blocks that couldn't be sales offices too could it? I wouldn't know I contacted the Harris County archives to see if there were plans for the building as there had to have been plans drawn up for the remodeling after Henke and Pillot left cause the building was just a square block while they resided here and then when Ivy Russell took over it was this art deco style. Sadly all Harris County archives could find was a land value ticket for 1969. The woman that looked into it for me said the complete file unfortunally has become lost. Really sucks for me because I don't know how the building was laid out internally let alone externally. For me for my project if there was no service center at this location it was just sales well then that really hinders my project because plans I had made for the second half of the project would be pointless as it revolved around a service center.
  4. Project wise this is what I am looking at doing, I am looking at maximizing my space by building only a right trangle of the building omitting areas that are not clear enough in the single photograph that exist. This allows me in the future to build a modular base to connect with this one to build the rest of the building if new information comes to light to get it right. But it also cuts down on size cause to build that building based off 122.67ft x 76.33ft real world dimensions scaled down to 1/25 scale would put the building at 10.53ft x 5.92ft which would be very hard to find a place to display something that huge. With it chopped down to the bare essentials to preserve all the cool art deco styling and the dealership painted banner and everything I am looking at a base with these rough estimations to be 3.2ft x 2.2ft. Below is a drawing I did in paint, the orange triangle is what I shrunk down to for my 3rd attempt and the final iteration is the orange triangle ending where the pink line is which puts it at 3.2ft x 2.2 ft vs 3.2ft by 3.2ft square. The next image a sat image from google earth from March 3, 2016 which is a fairly clear image that shows quite a bit of detail and what appears to be where the new structure was added on. And below that is the same image but with line drawings showing what I am working with on my idea. The red line shows the original shape of the art deco styling of the building before the 1970`s addition and the black X is crossing off what wouldn't have existed in my opinion in 1956 when this diorama will be set in. The blue line represents where I believe the service department started because that divot inwards is the last of the paned glass that I can see in the photo below that. So I believe everything between the blue and red line to be a service bay area. The yellow right triangle is showing what of the structure would be used on my diorama fitting up along one corner edge. I would extend the edge outward a bit more past the building to incorporate the divot inwards as that looks to be a glass paned wall as well. This would make it complicated to add in the service bay at a later date but I believe if I followed with a triangle I might be able to blend it in with the main diorama I want to build but it would be hard considering the weird offset nature of the two bases. Unless I did something more L shaped but if I did that I would have to find a 1/25 scale F600 truck as I don't want to attempt to try and scratch build a F100 into a F600 truck along with the car hauler trailer. But the orange lines is roughly how I plan to have the diorama laid out maybe extend the bottom a bit out more so the overhang will be contained with in the model as I would be building a case for it when finished. My main thing is figuring out how to do the show room inside with the huge glass windows, that yellow right triangle wont allow me to put many vehicles inside and I don't know how to terminate the show room without just simply having a huge wall at a right angle. Wouldn't be so bad if you could just see the cars with everything else being a shadow but I was thinking of doing some LED warm white LED strip lights to emulate over head lighting to illuminate the inside for night time settings.
  5. Correct, the Ivy Russell Ford dealership on Yale @ 11th street. I spent about 4 hours last night getting measurements from google earth which I am not fully sure how accurate they are. blue prints of the building would be more accurate I feel but I don't know if new blueprints were drawn up when the building was renovated into the dealership. The first image attached from Google earth is dated as Dec 31 1943 for the 1944 year period. To me the building while it was an Henke Pillot grocery store was a rectangular building. The second image attached from google earth is dated as Dec 31 1952 for the 1953 year period and you can clearly see the divot facing Yale street which is part of the art deco styling done to the building. This tells me that the building was remodeled when it became a dealership. It also tells me that the huge lot to the north of the building was the actual car lot with the parking at the dealership itself was customer parking. The divot area I believe was the service department area because the divot where it first curves in is still a glass wall for what I believe to be a show room area. This leaves the sliver after which is not glassed in to be what I believe is the garage area. This photo how ever does not help me because I do not know actual dimensions just guestimations of the dimensions. Using the ruler feature the building comes up with 122.67 ft length by 76.33 ft width. I honestly think its probably 120 ft length by 75 ft width. Its hard to tell in this grainy photo and I cant really trust clearer new modern photos as there was an addition to the building in the late 70s which made the building longer and makes it hard to tell exactly where the old building existed and where the new addition started at. So for me I do not know if there would be any plans for renovation when the artdeco style treatment was done some time in the late 40`s or very early 50`s. But if there is dimensions and heights of the building from hits 1936 construction date which is what I found online then the building wasn't enlarged its the same dimensions just the styling was changed. As far as the architect goes I do not know who that would be.
  6. Thanks for the reply, I sent a email to the texas land commission as I saw on google earth their name was listed on a 1943 and a 1952 aerial photograph of the Houston area that showed this building. It looks like the dealership took control in 1952 cause the shape of the building has its art deco styling in the dec 1952 aerial photo while the dec 1943 aerial photo shows a square boxy building with none of the art deco styling. I hope that they would have something but I might check with the permitting center. I really only need dimensions so I can scale everything down. But if blueprints exist showing the layout of the interior of the building as well post 1952 that would work out great for me as it takes more guess work out on my build.
  7. Is there any place to check to obtain copies of old blueprints of buildings? Im looking for two sets of blueprints if possible, first one would be the original of the building in question at 1102 yale St which was built in 1936. The other blueprint would be for the same building but after it was modified some time in the late 1940`s or the early 1950`s when the property changed hands. Surely something like this should still exist.
  8. This is a photo of the Ivy Russell dealership Yale @ 11th street, this photo was taken in 1957 or early 1958 showcasing 1958 year model Fords. Ok with this said I want to ask if anyone has any photos that shows this dealership a bit better? I am working on planning a 1/25 scale model of this dealership and I will be taking some liberties with it for not knowing exactly what vehicles were on the lot at the time of mine was in '56. But I would like to know more about the layout of the parking lot. Such as where were the cars parked at? Were there only cars or were trucks sold as well? Things like that. Aside from that I am also attaching photos taken in during the renovation.
  9. Nice, my grandparents lived behind the apartments from summer 1961 till my grandmother passed away a few years ago. House is nothing like it was though. but I found some old photos of my grandfathers car which I have and I was trying to date the photos as best as I could. best I could is year wise but the more I look at the plate the more I think there might be something at the bottom center but its hard to tell. so now I am questioning if the photo was taken in '61 or '63. For me what helps is license plates alternated colors for the different years so that helps narrow the year down but cant narrow it down any more.
  10. Well that would make sense. I did more digging and found out family didn't move into the house where the photo was taken till summer of 1961. So my reasoning is the photo would have to have been taken in late 1961 as 1963 license plates which were white with black text had the year at the bottom center and the photo doesn't show any indication of that. I have another photo taken in 1963 as the plate can be seen to state 1963 and it shows the apartments were painted a dark color not a light color like in my other photo. I couldn't figure out why the scaffolding but then I realize late 1961 is when Hurricane Carla hit so the scaffolding could be for repairs after the hurricane or for boarding up the windows before the hurricane hit. I want to say before the hurricane hit because I don't see them changing the color of the apartments just 3 years after completion. Unless it was a repaint due to damage from the hurricane.
  11. Anyone on here know when the 214 West 17th street apartments were built? I have a old photo I am trying to date and the apartments are in the background with a scaffolding on the exterior and the window it is placed near appears new as it appears to have a sticker in the middle of the glass. Based off the license plate I can barely make out on the vehicle in the photograph it is white with black text which puts the year of the photo either as 1957, 1959, 1961, or 1963. The photo is grainy and hard to tell as the vehicle isn't the focus point but to me it looks like there might be black lettering at the bottom of the plate which would apply to 1963 only as the other plates had the year in top right and 1963 is only year with the year bottom middle. In any case I think my best bet is to find what year this apartment was built and I did some digging online and couldn't find anything other than renting.
  12. That is what I found out a couple months ago when I had the pleasure of talking to the daughter of Weyand. Actually seeked me out and sent me a message. I got confirmation that my 1979 dated service sticker was filled out by her father based off the hand writing but haven't heard back in a few months on if he recognizes the car or my grandfather. All good information that has been noted in my notebook till I can get a proper scrap book album going. I also have a old photo of the car in question but don't know the date but have to find it, boxes of photos have been moved around a few times so might take time.
  13. What was the most common parking meter found in houston in the '50s and '60s? Was it the duncan model 50 and 60? Also what color were theses painted by the city? Im looking at obtaining one to restore but want the proper model and color as the ones Houston used to have.
  14. Sad to say I was doing some searching and came across this post and figured I would update everyone. Some time between Oct 2012 and Oct 2013 that station was demolished along with the whole corner of that street with all the houses. Really sucks as I have not gotten to get a photo of my car in front of the building. I didn't even bring it home from my grandmothers house till August 2014.
  15. Its still up there. Although its painted white now its still pretty much there. Its also good to hear the history as well, I didnt know the car was a yellowish cream color at one time (said yellow and I asked parents and they said it was more of a cream color as they remember it) But if you can get that photo loaded up I can say for sure the story above will be copied and pasted to the description of the photo after I save it. One thing I do is try to keep the history and stories with the photos where possible. Such as the story of that one car coming from dallas to houston that ended up wrecked on the incomplete overpass. Only thing that I would really love to see is more photos of the old Ivy Russell dealership on yale street. I have the one color photo but would love to see some more photos of the place as a dealership and the inside. I have no idea how the inside even looked. To be honest I am looking for that to try and duplicate the inside (not sure if cars were parked inside or not) to compliment mh 56 that was bought there new.
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