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  1. I saw a photo from 1961 that shows the rose garden intact, so the arrival of the fountains can now be narrowed down to the 1961-1964 timeframe.

    I was told that the rose garden was there in the thirties. My grandfather had a wreck there.

    Folkore that I heard in the 1960s was that the fountains were put in at public expense but were actuall the cooling mechanism for the Warwick.

  2. I actually kind of like the faux Mediterranean styled houses, but maybe that's because I'm from Canada that style is completely unheard of in Canada, so it seems kind of exotic to me still.

    The original version began in Florida in the 1920s. A series of spanish and italian styles (italian renassaince, spanish renassaince, mission, spanish eclectic, monterrey style) were popular, and elements were mixed together to create a new style by a would be architect (Addison Mizner never could pass a college entrance exam) with an eye for style, elite connections and a desire to be a society architect. He connected with Stanford White, met his first patron, Paris Singer and came to florida and built some 40 houses in Palm Beach. By 1926 he was disgraced, having developed the boca raton hotel and falsely marketed its earnings and potentials. The "style"stopped at this point. It was apparently revitalized in the late 1970s and early 80s when the boca raton historical society began promoting the city founder, Mizner and Neo versions of his architecture. By 1990 it was the dominant style, with many communities banning any other style. Even McDonalds must build in this style in some communities. I am trying to come to grips with its rise in popularity.

  3. You bet it's a trend. Houston is experiencing an onslaught of Faux Mediterranean residential architecture right now, with an emphasis on tan stucco/EIFS, fake stone, and turrets. I'm actually wishing the Faux Georgian homes of the 1980s would come back in vogue. At least most of those houses weren't as hideous as the stuff builders are putting up in Memorial & Bellaire...

    Are these infilling or rebuilds, or whole developments by the likes of lennar and centex, as we have here.

  4. I am also interested in geography and cartography. But almost all books about WWII presented maps from our point of view... in other words, it showed the 1938 borders with occupied areas colored in. But what did a German map of, say, 1942 Europe look like? Obviously they didn't show Poland or Austria on their maps. To them, these countries no longer existed. And what would Europe have looked like had the Nazis won the war? What were their plans?

    Fortunately, in recent years, books have started incorporating such things and many interesting WWII atlases have hit the bookshelves in recent years.

    The german library of information in NY published a periodical in the us called Facts in Review. It is full of maps. They show things like the Czech threat to the existance of germany (czech bombers could reach all of germany, hence the nation is living on borrowed time till they annex Czechslovakia. Never mind that there was not a Czech air force. Others show the polish plans for invasion, britian as the aggessive nation (compares the area of german to the area of britain and its commonwealth)

  5. I am doing research on neomediterranean architecture in south florida. This would be a revival of the 1920's Addison Mizner architecture. In many communities in Palm Beach county, it is illegal to build anything else. Clearly it is dominate after some time in the 1980s: pink stucco with red barrel tile roofs. When I left Houston in 1979 it seemed that the garage dominant L ranch style was still the main style. I wonder if there is any of this post 1970 revival architecture in Houston. Is is common anywhere, or was it a trend at any time?

  6. The Sharpstown was much younger and nicer than the S.Main. I often went to the Sharps rather than the S.M. because things seemed a little more high tech and cleaner. They also had a huge snack bar and playground.

    When we went to see movies that were boring to children, I remember watching the red blinking SAGE department store sign on Hillcroft. I also remember it being nicer in the snack bar and enjoying the playground.

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  7. This is a realy old thread, wow, I'm still reading, there was a Whataburger on Telephone, turn left on Bellfort (heading west), was on the right (heading south). Don't know if still there, was by the racquetball place, I think. Some of those had an upstairs eating area, outside, with those metal, all-in-one table/chairs.

    My grandmother loved Westbury Square. Nice design, I see those types of centers in Uptown, now, around the Galleria. Is the sign still there? We need a pic. Nevermind, found it, page 3.

    I never realized Westbury Square had been there so long. Since the sixties. Recent pics were interesting to see, eerie & sad.

    Apartments always seem to bring downfall to so many properties, areas around Houston. What would keep this from happening?

    Urban planning would control the mix. There would still be low income apartments in every neighborhood but not in the densities that undermine communities.

  8. I remember the glass shop, where you could usually watch a glass blower making all manner of fragile things, and Gramophonics, the record store where I bought the Moving Sidewalks' first album, "Flash." A great little record store, run by a guy named Rob Miller, I think. They would sell Fillmore and Avalon concert posters. I still have the tattered remains of one. By the early 1970s, Gramaphonics had moved to the Village in West U. Also, I thought a Pier 1 store was out there. Or am I thinking about Cargo Houston?

    Cargo Houston, which also sold fillmore and Avalon posters. I had forgotten about Gramaphonics

  9. once magical place. My love for Architecture began as a young boy, hanging out at Westbury Square.

    (Tom Williams)

    Very well put. I had the same experience, and also it stimulated my interest in architecture. Now I teach an upper division college course on the American Cultural Landscape, with an emphasis on vernacular architecture, and it started with the contrast between tacky ranches (not the tasteful mods) and the european influence square. We have many new urbanist projects that attempt a similar thing here in south Florida, but none of them have the feel, the smell, the magic of that amazing collection of independent craftsmen and shops. I cant imagine how such a collection could have come together.

  10. Anyone remember Mrs. Deats at The Little Red School House? We're talking over 40 years ago....Class of '66.

    I do.. she was my first grade teacher at St. Thomas Elemetary school near Meyerland Plaza in about 1958-59. Then soon after that she started "The Little Red School House" which I understood to be a day care???(I was 7 at the time). Wasnt it on Fondren road? And wasnt it also called "Mrs. Deats Country Day School"

  11. :lol: Tim Nolan and Bob Byron hosted KPRC radio's morning drive time slot for at least a decade, or more. They interspersed their own local talent with recorded pieces from Radio Ranch, like "Chicken Man", and the tracks from other morning duos throughout the nation as well as top 40 music from the likes of Barbra Streisand, whom they liked to introduce as "the singing Aardvark". Tim tried to come off as the responsible one and Bob was the one who would take cheap shots at local politicians and anyone else whose name came up in the news, Bob also took shots at himself with lines like "the cork just fell out of my lunch", and so on. They were great to listen to as I dragged myself out of bed and got ready for another day at the grind, they just don't make them like that anymore. Fox and Friends just doesn't quite get me there like Tim and Bob did.

    I vaguely remember the day that John Glenn orbited the earth, they announced they were sending a texas cows into space and it would be the first "herd shot round the world". I also remember their theme song being slightly celtic, and their placing some emphasis on both Scot and Irish culture.

  12. It's Bray's Bayou, N & S Braeswood Blvds., Braeswood Place, Braes Blvd. Water gets a y and stone gets an e. However, I'm not sure why.

    You mean water and concrete.

    Subdivisions often get romantic names, and automobile oriented street names are strongly influenced by subdivision names. It makes sense that when the subdivision precedes or is built at the same time as the street that they would influence the street names. My guess is that some subdivider was mystified by the bray spelling, and it reminded him of the scottish brae.

  13. as for Westbury.....was Fondren Middle a feeder?

    I lived on arboles street, and spent 7th grade at johnston, then was transfered to fondren the year it opened. I think landsdown was the boundary that year. The students I knew at fondren either went to sharpstown or westbury. This would have been in the late 60s. Everyone I knew from hillcroft east went to westbury and from fondren road west went to sharpstown. In between seemed mixed.

  14. I have been trying to remember the names of las conseulas and tin tin cafe for years. I remember the family hand and I worked at hobbit hole, but I also remembe the family child, and there was a kundalini (sic) restaraunt behind "a movable feast" which was on westheimer, that had the most excellent enchiladas and salads.

  15. I graduated from Westbury in 69 also. I remember the hair fiasco.

    It was a great place to go to school in the 60's. Felt sorry for some of my buddies that got zoned to Madison.

    I remember it too, more than one persons high school experience was wrecked by it. I remember a similar situation at A.S. Johnston, where they were lined up and anyone with long hair, or the wrong clothes got kicked out. One girl was told she was a slut by the assistant principle for wearing a peasant blouse.

    I tell my 18 year old daughter the list of proscribed clothing, fashion and hair situations, and she looks at me like I am from mars.

  16. Your theory is correct. In the 1830s and 1840s, there was a deeply rutted wagon road between Harrisburg and San Felipe, and nearby Columbus. I read about it in a personal history written by a German immigrant in 1849. He traveled that route in the early 1840s, and he described his journey from Harrisburg to Columbus as four days of pure hell.

    Can you tell me where you read this personal history? Is it a published source or an archival document?

  17. I have no idea when or why it was changed, but at one time the street we now call West Dallas was named San Felipe. It ran from the west side all the way into downtown.

    I know it was San Felipe as recently as World Wars One and even WWII, because newspaper accounts of the Camp Logan race riot in 1918 said the rioting soldiers advanced toward downtown Houston on San Felipe Road.

    Also, the City of Houston built that big public housing project just west of downtown early in WWII, and named it San Felipe Courts, for the street that ran along the south side of the project.

    Does anyone have an old map that shows the original route San Felipe took going west out of downtown?

    I have a theory that San Felipe was the original road from harrisburg and later houston to San Felipe, capital of austins colony. Washington, north of Buffalo bayou went to Washington on the Brazos. If so these would have been the first roads coming into houston from the west. The only competitor would be old richmond road, which might have been of the same era.

  18. Anybody remember Burgers by Gourmet? I remember it from when I was young. I think it was located somewhere around St. Thomas. I remember the inside had a counter and might have had some kind of newsprint wallpaper. The burgers were wrapped in brown or orange paper, I think. Just a random musing. Can anyone confirm its location or supply a photo?

    I remember it and ate there- Yoakum on the south side of alabama. It was a small chain, and this was one of the last ones. I went by there in the 90s and it was gone.

  19. Interesting. Just guessing but I'd think 10 mins would get you to Alabama and beyond - along where Jamail's was and House of Pies is now, maybe to Richmond. 15 mins would get you south of 59, between Westpark down to Bissonnet? I don't remember an SnS along there but I wouldn't have driven that way much, particularly S of 59 - my route to the Village would have been via Shepherd/Greenbrier. If I get to the Texas Room I'll look in some old phone books - now I want to know. The only one I ever went to (or knew about) was Westheimer @ Bering.

    End of shift would be during rush hour, around 5:15

    Yes, I remember Jamails and House of Pies being along there somewhere- actually my fuzzy memory puts it between the two. but I have not been on those streets in decades. It was definately around there somewhere, because it was my first encounter with the chain- and only one for 20 years. The only other place where I could imagine it would be on buffalo speedway, between 59 and san felipe. But that would only be on the assumption that it was never on kirby which it where I remember it being.

  20. I remember the Jack-in-the-Box at Bellfort and Chimney Rock. Remember Jack Cola? It was their cheap verson of Coke. For spite and to send a message we would drive up and order Coke and they would reply, "We serve Jack Cola." So we would say never mind and speed off.

    That jack in the box I remember (perhaps incorrectly) as the first fast food chain, followed by the burger king on post oak. In the landscape history of commercial architecture, Jack in the box was perhaps the first drive through chain where you talk to a speaker (jack) and this was one of the first ones.

    Contrast with the early burger king on post oak- it was walkin only. Thus westbury was percieved as a hot market by two up and coming chains in the early 1960s.

    I remember doing the same kind of thing- go to jack and the box and start an arguement with jack.....

  21. No, I was thinking of the one at Bering and Westheimer when I said that. I don't remember one on Kirby but I was just a kid then and didn't know my way around Houston very much. Where on Kirby was it?

    This would have been in the mid 70s, and at the time I worked at Hobbit Hole on shepard between san felipe and west gray. The meateaters that worked there would sometimes go to steak and shake after shift. We would go down san felipe, and take a left, and it was on the west side of kirby, and the entrance was from kirby, but I dont remember the cross street. It was a 10-15 minute drive in the mid 70s from shepard and san felipe. It closed at some point in the 1970s, and I did not see another one till I moved to florida in 1990. I remember the burgers being remarkably good.

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