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Don't forget Consolidated Arts Warehouse where Chelsea Market is now.

I thought Austin had more of a punk scene than Houston. Raul's lasted quite a while and the Continental Club had a lot of punk bands back then as well as Club Foot for some of the bigger names.

I saw The Ramones at Liberty Hall in 1977 and again at On the Border out Telephone Road (I saw Joan Jett there too)

Iggy Pop at Cardi's and at Club Foot in Austin (I saw U2 at Cardi's too believe it or not when they were unknown in the US)

X at Fitzgeralds

Big Boys and the Dicks - from Austin - several places

Really Red

Billy Idol

The Clash

I saw a many more bands that would be considered more New Wave more than Punk

Anderson Fair - The Peanut Gallery - Tortilla Flat

Roger managed Anderson Fair for a while. One of the folks I remember from Liberty Hall was named Roberto. Another was a guy named Mike Condray.

Roger the dodger Ruffcorn is sadly missed. He was a nice guy and a good friend.

Here is the HCAD record for the property. Looks like no one knows who owns the land and no one pays taxes on the property:

HCAD Kuhlmann Cemetery

Yeah. Was it actually published? I got a copy from the author a few years ago when it was still in the process of being published.

If it was published I've never seen it. I've only seen reference to it. I may get a mention in the next edition because I helped her track down the location of the Reinermann family cemetery in Cottage Grove. This was another cemetery where most of the people in the cemetery were moved. In this case to Glenwood and Washington cemeteries. It didn't look like everyone was moved though, and now there is a warehouse sitting on top of it.

Here's an entry from a book (unpublished) on local cemeteries:

"KUHLMANN CEMETERY: 4001 Roseneath and Oakcrest, in old Riverside Terrace. Late 19th century settlers' cemetery. Only a low brick wall remains; all graves transferred to Forest Park Lawndale. Johann Frederick Kuhlmann had already buried his first wife and two children in the two-acre private cemetery when he died in 1883."

Further information appears in the 11/5/52 Houston Chronicle.

Is this the Trevia Wooster Beverly book called "At Rest"?

Here is another historical footnote to this story. The John Henry Kuhlmann that was married to Wihelmina Moehr was a Junior. His father was John Henry Kuhlman Sr. and his father's sister (his aunt) was named Catherine. Catherine Kuhlmann was married to Henry Henke of "Henke and Pillot" fame.

George Michael hangout?

Also note that people need to think twice when they go do cleanups in heavily wooded areas like the cemetary. Used Syringes are always found in these areas.

One punch in your foot/hand and it's adios amigo!

The deed records for the cemetery metion a 20 foot wide road for access to the cemetery from the public road. Has anyone seen any evidence of such a road. It could even be on the S. MacGregor side I suppose.

Quit Claim Deed

State of Texas, County of Harris

Know all men by the presents:

That we, August Kuhlmann and George Kuhlmann,Jr., of the County of Harris and State of Texas, for and in consideration of the sum of Ten ($10.000) Dollars, and other valuable considerations to us in hand paid by Henry H. Kuhlmann,Jr,of the County of Harris and State of Texas, the receipt of which is hereby acknowledged, do, by the presents bargain,sell,release and forever quit claim unto the said Henry H. Kuhlmann, Jr, his heirs and assigns, all our right, title and interest to that certain tract or parcel of land lying in the County of Harris, State of Texas, described as follows, to-wit:

Two (2) acres of land, more or less, in lot 9, of the West one-half (1/2) of the Luke Moore League in Harris County Texas, described by metes and bounds as follows:

Beginning at an iron pipe which is located North 63 deg 5 min. East 105.85 ft. from an iron rod which marks the most Easterly corner of that tract of land conveyed to M.C. McGehee, Jr. by MacGregor Drive Development Company, by deed recorded in Vol. 991, Page 441 of the Harris County Texas Deed Records; Thence North 64 deg. 30 min, East 295 ft. to an iron rod for corner; Thence South 25 deg. 30 min. East 295.18 ft. to an iron rod for corner; Thence North 25 deg. 30 min, West 295.16 ft. to the place of beginning; save and except from the above described tract or lot occupied and known as the graveyard, or cemetery, and being 30 ft. by 30 ft. in size, and containing 900 sq. ft. in area, more or less, and save and except also a roadway twenty feet in width from the said graveyard lot, or cemetery extending across the said above described land for the purpose of ingress and egress to and from the graveyard or cemetery.

To have and to hold the said premesis, together with all and singular the rights, priveleges and appurtenance thereto in any manner belonging unto the said Henry. H. Kuhlmann, Jr., his heirs and assigns, forever, so that neither we, ourselves, the said August Kuhlmann and George Kuhlmann,Jr., not our heirs, nor any person or persons claiming under us shall, at any time hereafter, have, claim, or demand any right or title to the aforesaid premises or appurtanances, or any part thereof.

Witness our hands at Houston,Texas, this 13 day of June, A.D. 1939

George Kuhlmann, Jr.

August Kuhlmann.

John Henry Kuhlmann's wife Mina's full and maiden name was Wilhelmina Moehr and they were married September 25th 1884.

How would someone start to research? I mean to see when the cemetary was created and especially what names can be found there. Is it possible there are well known Houstonians interred here? I had never heard of this burial site until now.

Mysterious.

This was a family cemetery for the Kuhlmann family, but is possible that some of the neighbors were also buried there, but I doub't anyone well known. I've never seen a cemetery survey for that cemetery so I don't know who is buried there.

I believe that John H. Kuhlmann and his wife Minna owned that land. Their homestead was right off Calhoun Road and it was still there when I was growing up. My parents banked at MacGregor Park National Bank (now Johnson Funeral Home) and directly behind the bank was the Kuhlmann farmhouse. There was no farm anymore, but there were several outbuildings and a rather large chicken yard with chicken coops. We used to go watch the chickens whenever my mom would go to the bank. John H. Kuhlmann was born in Harris County around 1857. His children were named Christian, Katherine, Mary, Adolph, and John T. Kuhlmann.

John T. died before his father and two children did not survive childbirth.

If I were to guess the area of their land I would say Scott Street on the West, Brays Bayou on the North, Kulmann's gully on the east, and Griggs Road on the South. Apparently Griggs road is the south line of the Luke Moore league. I think they also owned some land in the Tierwester league.

The land that the cemetery is on is two acres, but the cemetery itself is only 30'x30', so there probably aren't that many family members buried there.

So I suppose that's the family "Kuhlman Gully" was named for. I'm also trying to make out some of the words on the map. Looks like Griggs Rd. had lots of other names back then, I see "Brays Bayou Road", "Road from Houston, Galveston, and San Jacinto R.", "(can't be read) Crossing to Pierce Junction and Houston Road", and I also see a section of land is named after someone named "Tierwester", another interesting origin of a road name.

Tierwester is another interesting character. Here is a write up on him by a local historian:

Henry Tierwester Article

I was disappointed that the map did not show up larger. The notation for Tierwester says "Tierwester 1/3 League" . The writing on the road says " Road from Galveston Houston & San Antonio RR and Gulf Colorado RR Crossing to Pierce Junction & Houston Road or Brays Bayou Road. The gully is marked "Kuhlmann's Gully" The Griggs road is also marked "South Line of the Luke Moore League"

I grew up a few blocks from Kuhlman's gulley, but a bit further north than the section depicted on this map. The map drawer didn't extend Kuhlmann's gully to Brays Bayou as is really the case.

The road at the top of this map is Griggs Road

The Kuhlmann family owned much of the land in that area and it is the Kuhlmann family cemetery you are referring to.

Here is the Harris Couny Block Book which shows the block where the cemetery is located. The cemetery is written in pencil and it states that it is 2 acres.

Harris_County Block_Book_Kuhlmann_Cemetery

Look at cemetery #227 in this list:

Harris County Cemeteries

Here's an image from live.com

Sorry... all I have left is Sandlewood, Musk and Patchouli.

I'll trade you a suede fringe vest, some chukka boots, and a soap on a rope for your oils.

The scent shop (wrong name)

The Chemist Shop - I would love to have a bottle of Earth Oil if anyone still has any laying around

I barely remember the name but seeing the years it operated I was still watching the Brady Bunch at the time. If it were by the Galleria they would have had to move or close it anyway as The Galleria opened around 1970-71? Mothers of Invention with old Frank Zappa, now that really dates it! Cool!

I think The Catacombs were further down South Post Oak Road going towards Richmond. The club was closer to where Stelzigs used to be and the Water Wall.

This is a picture of the Jubilee Hall flyer. It was too large to scan. Not sure I know how to attach a pic, but here goes.

I just noticed on the flyer that it says "Family of Hands Production" which was the original name of that operation, later shortened to The Family Hand.

This is a picture of the Jubilee Hall flyer. It was too large to scan. Not sure I know how to attach a pic, but here goes.

Thanks.....looks good as a JPG

I found through the Harris County Tax office that it was in 1942 that the Liberty Hall building was sold by the church to the American Legion

I do remember Liberty Hall. Liberty Hall 'replaced' Jubilee Hall which was near or on Bagby & McGowen, downtown. The Family Hand Cafe (?Restaurant?) was a block or so away.

And of course, it seems light years ago in a galaxy far far away... I was going thru a few boxes of packed away memories & I found multiple flyers for John Lee Hooker playing at Jubilee Hall on Sunday, Feb 1...but it doesn't say the year... 7-11pm. My guess is that it was '67 or '68? Maybe '69? hmmm. Opening act was Sherwood, a Houston group...

Ahh, memories are sketchy... but I'd give anything for a bowl of beans & rice from the Family Hand.

I found this website forum by googling . This is the first post I've done. I'm hoping to hear from some ole Houstonians...

Can you scan the flyer and post on this thread? I believe Jubilee Hall and The Family Hand opened in 1969 and closed in 1971, so the flyer is probably from 1969.

Anyone remember or have any stories to tell about Liberty Hall which was located at 1610 Chenevert? All sorts of performers played there...Jimmy Reed, Ted Nugent, Bruce Springsteen, NY Dolls, Velvet Underground, Gram Parsons, just to name a few.

I believe it had formerly been a movie theatre.

I believe the incarnations of Liberty Hall were:

1. A church

2. An American Legion Hall

3. Liberty Hall

4. A Chinese Movie Theatre

5. Demolished

The first show I saw there was a play "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" that someone else mentioned. I think that was 1971 and I would have been 16. I would try to go see Lightnin' Hopkins whenever he played there. I saw Bonnie Raitt and Little Feat, Flying Burrito Brothers, Dr. John, Taj Mahal (a few times), Bruce Springsteen, Clifton Chenier (anyone remember him playing Juneteenth at Miller Theater in 1985 or 86?), Cheech & Chong, Townes Van Zandt. The last show I saw there was the Ramones in 1977. It is the only show I still have a ticket from...too bad.

The folks that created Liberty Hall were many of the same folks that created The Family Hand Restaurant on Brazos. Mike Condray and Lynda Herrera along with Ryan Trimble.

I remember it as looking like an small Art Deco Theater with an overhanging awning/marquee. It had a row of windows running across the front of the building above the marquee. Someone, somewhere must have a photograph of the place. I had several at one time, but they were lost about 1980.

From the American Legion Hall Days:

sounds very cool. what year was this place around?

This would have been in the late 1970s

Does anyone remember a place in Montrose where someone had built a sort-of beer garden in their yard. It had a sign that said "Frank's Radio Garden" and there were some picnic benches and , I believe, an old short wave or multiband radio. There was a soft drink machine that was loaded up with beer and you could walk up, or skate up, and put your money in the beer machine, get your beer and sit at the picnic tables, etc. I am sure it was short lived because of the obvious reasons...but only in Montrose could such a thing happen in the first place.

I think you got the right restaurant but got mixed up on the location.

Leo's was just off washington a couple of blocks east of heights blvd.

It's where the "new" Heights Star Pizza location is.

No, he's right. The original Leo's was on Shepherd between Welch and Fairview. The awning, as mentioned, that used to lead to the front door is still there. Leo's moved to Washington Ave after years and years of being on Shepherd. Now there is a car wash or a car detailing place there. I think the only thing they brought to the Washington location was the sign.

There was this funky little bar on Westheimer, I kept hearing about but never went to. There's a fabulous article in the archives of Texas Monthly that mentions this club, but I don't have access here at work. They mention Rice professors practically having classes there?

Could the funky bar on Westheimer have been Prufrock's?

Wow..thanks for all those postcards!