[troyboy]

Dallascaper, on Tuesday, January 30th, 2007 @ 2:07pm, said:

And Gary, about your promise, thanks.

Agreed. This whole port thing is something I know almost nothing about. It would be nice if this thread was used for intelligent meaningful discussion and exchanging information about this project. Instead, it's the same old Dallas v. Houston crap. The fewer flamethrowers the better. Some of us could care less about which city is better in your mean-absolutely-nothing opinions, and would appreciate actually being able to learn a little something on these forums.

[2112]

Dallascaper, on Monday, January 29th, 2007 @ 11:12pm, said:

Did the "It is as if..." part cause you to lose your concentration?

Yes! Yes it did!! I had to pick myself up off the floor after reading the article and rolling on the floor laughing! Only bad thing is I dropped my shot of tequila (Patron Silver). Had to make me another one.

[2112]

Dallascaper, on Tuesday, January 30th, 2007 @ 12:07pm, said:

Whatever. It is almost impossible it have a meaningful conversation on this board without some insecure Houstonite crying about how unfair the Dallas marketing machine is, as if everything you read that is puts Dallas in a positive light couldn’t possibly be true. Dallas is finally turning interesting, get over it.

And Gary, about your promise, thanks.

[Trae]

When ships enter the port of Houston (and possibly other ocean ports as well), giant cranes will put the containers from the cargo ships onto trains, which will be shot to Dallas, where all the logistical action will take place: customs, unloading, warehousing, sorting to destination. It is as if the boat will pull up to Houston, but the longshoremen will be in Dallas.

In short, the inland port will position southern Dallas County as the major center for the transport and distribution of goods in the central United States.

Who writes this crap?

[C2H]

Trae, on Tuesday, January 30th, 2007 @ 9:03pm, said:

When ships enter the port of Houston (and possibly other ocean ports as well), giant cranes will put the containers from the cargo ships onto trains, which will be shot to Dallas, where all the logistical action will take place: customs, unloading, warehousing, sorting to destination. It is as if the boat will pull up to Houston, but the longshoremen will be in Dallas.

In short, the inland port will position southern Dallas County as the major center for the transport and distribution of goods in the central United States.

Who writes this crap?

Obviously crazed and over-excited marketers that continue to try to promote Dallas to be something it's not and could never be. All Dallas port will be is an extention of Houston's Port. It will hardly be a epicenter for transportation and distribution of goods in the U.S.

If this is how Dallas is going to act, i'd rather the port not be built period, or either give it to San Antonio .

[CDeb]

If a tree falls at a port but it doesn't hit the water, does it make a splash?

[Dallascaper]

C2H, on Tuesday, January 30th, 2007 @ 7:08pm, said:

Obviously crazed and over-excited marketers that continue to try to promote Dallas to be something it's not and could never be. All Dallas port will be is an extention of Houston's Port. It will hardly be a epicenter for transportation and distribution of goods in the U.S.

If this is how Dallas is going to act, i'd rather the port not be built period, or either give it to San Antonio .

I know, imagine the gall of Dallas actually thinking that its proximity to major north/south, east/west rail and interstate lines, its connections to the POH, POLB, and the POLA, its temperate weather, abundant workforce, and plentiful cheap land, all somehow positions it to be the largest distribution hub in the central US. It is quite shocking how they come up with this stuff. Oh well, I guess where it comes to vision, Dallas has doers and Houston has you.

Keep in mind that the better Dallas develops its intermodal center, the better off the POH is. Relieving Houston’s limited port space of the customs, unloading and distribution allows them to increase container capacity, which is very profitable. Also consider that if the POH doesn’t increase capacity, it will miss out on the bonanza that awaits the Gulf coast ports when the Panama Canal is expanded.

So, if you are a Houston homer, and you want Houston to do well, you should be cheering Dallas, not jeering it.

[JasonDFW]

Dallascaper, on Tuesday, January 30th, 2007 @ 10:46pm, said:

I know, imagine the gall of Dallas actually thinking that its proximity to major north/south, east/west rail and interstate lines, its connections to the POH, POLB, and the POLA, its temperate weather, abundant workforce, and plentiful cheap land, all somehow positions it to be the largest distribution hub in the central US. It is quite shocking how they come up with this stuff. Oh well, I guess where it comes to vision, Dallas has doers and Houston has you.

If you were to read "central" as "inland" ports away from the coasts, then the two existing DFW area ports already have collected enough momentum to push the DFW port district to the be the largest inland port by $ in the US. Not counting Laredo of course, which is even larger than Houston by that measure. If you were to read "central" as in the center of the US then I'd consider Chicago as the king though, which DFW will not pass for quite a while (if ever). We'll see, but I'd think that the DFW area-wide competition would force all our ports to be very attractive to businesses. It'd take some serious planning though to make the south Dallas existing and future facilities dominant in this area. Competition is wonderful anyhow.

Jason

This post has been edited by JasonDFW: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 at 2:07 AM

[musicman]

JasonDFW, on Wednesday, January 31st, 2007 @ 1:03am, said:

If you were to read "central" as "inland" ports away from the coasts, then the two existing DFW area ports already have collected enough momentum to push the DFW port district to the be the largest inland port by $ in the US. Not counting Laredo of course, which is even larger than Houston by that measure. If you were to read "central" as in the center of the US then I'd consider Chicago as the king though, which DFW will not pass for quite a while (if ever). We'll see, but I'd think that the DFW area-wide competition would force all our ports to be very attractive to businesses. It'd take some serious planning though to make the south Dallas existing and future facilities dominant in this area. Competition is wonderful anyhow.

Jason

Are you trying to help or hurt your cause?

[JasonDFW]

musicman, on Wednesday, January 31st, 2007 @ 6:41am, said:

Are you trying to help or hurt your cause?

Do you have some updated figures or something that dispute something I said?

I'll turn the question around. Are you trying to help or hurt whatever your cause is?

Jason

[Dallascaper]

JasonDFW, on Wednesday, January 31st, 2007 @ 8:02am, said:

Do you have some updated figures or something that dispute something I said?
Jason

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting on facts or figures, at least none from anyone who knows what they are talking about. I get the impression that many of the posters here have little knowledge of how supply-chain works; they just pollute this thread with their perceptions of articles they read in newspapers. If someone is able to prove me wrong, please do – the “port” of Dallas could be an interesting regional topic.

[TheNiche]

JasonDFW, on Wednesday, January 31st, 2007 @ 1:03am, said:

If you were to read "central" as "inland" ports away from the coasts, then the two existing DFW area ports already have collected enough momentum to push the DFW port district to the be the largest inland port by $ in the US. Not counting Laredo of course, which is even larger than Houston by that measure. If you were to read "central" as in the center of the US then I'd consider Chicago as the king though, which DFW will not pass for quite a while (if ever). We'll see, but I'd think that the DFW area-wide competition would force all our ports to be very attractive to businesses. It'd take some serious planning though to make the south Dallas existing and future facilities dominant in this area. Competition is wonderful anyhow.

Jason

Rather than define a "port" as a place where cargo merely clears U.S. customs, how about using a better indicator of economic impact? Transloaded tonnage, perhaps. Data, anyone?

[tamtagon]

TheNiche, on Wednesday, January 31st, 2007 @ 11:31am, said:

Rather than define a "port" as a place where cargo merely clears U.S. customs, how about using a better indicator of economic impact? Transloaded tonnage, perhaps. Data, anyone?

During the two+ years I've been following it, there have been a handful of names used by the media to label components of the agile port, but none of 'em seem to stick. Since this is a cooperative of many entities, municipal, public & private rather than a development with one dominant player, I'm hopeful the soft machine in Dallas will come up with agreable long-lasting tags and avoid the wonder-struck proclimations of recent North Texas masterplans - Legacy, Victory Park, Glory Park.

I do not recall any estimates on cargo tonnage to be received in Dallas through the Port of Houston - letters of intent abound, but not a whole lot of transaction guestimates. And what has made me really anxious is that I've run across plenty of anecdotes describing how cargo will be shipped to Houston, trained to Dallas and distributed across the country, but hardly even a hint or whisper about domestic products & goods received in Dallas, trained to Houston for shipping around the world.

I only have handy this eventual container volume estimate:

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06:14 AM CDT on Tuesday, September 5, 2006
http://www.dallasnew...n1.3e3b8e3.html

These shipments currently arrive in huge cargo containers at Long Beach, Calif., the nation's second-busiest port. The annual number of containers (6.7 million) and the number of vessel visits (5,300) has overwhelmed the port, requiring ships to wait up to eight days to unload.

To reduce the backup, about 60 percent of these unopened containers would be shipped by rail from Long Beach to southern Dallas County. Once here, the goods would be divided up, or even warehoused, until they could be distributed via truck, train and even airplane to the Midwest and East Coast.

I believe the Port of Los Angeles intends to join Long Beach to train cargo to distribution facilities in Dallas, and no fewer than two ports in Mexico will deliver cargo to facilities in Dallas for domestic distribution.

The Allen Group has lead the charge to develop South Dallas County real estate to handle the cargo containers, and brands the development as The Dallas Logistics Hub. There's plenty of good reading (if your interested more info) on the website.

I've been very curious to find out the cargo container volume through the Port of Houston; my perception is that currently fewer containers are handled through the PoH than has been estimated will be shipped by rail from Long Beach to Dallas County. The Dallas County cooperative is vital to grow activity at the Port of Houston. As for real time data, the $100 million Union Pacific Intermodal train terminal has been open for about 1.5 years, has focused on moving cargo containers from Long Beach, but I dont know what kind of volume has been reached so far.

[Trae]

tamtagon, on Wednesday, January 31st, 2007 @ 11:47am, said:

During the two+ years I've been following it, there have been a handful of names used by the media to label components of the agile port, but none of 'em seem to stick. Since this is a cooperative of many entities, municipal, public & private rather than a development with one dominant player, I'm hopeful the soft machine in Dallas will come up with agreable long-lasting tags and avoid the wonder-struck proclimations of recent North Texas masterplans - Legacy, Victory Park, Glory Park.

I do not recall any estimates on cargo tonnage to be received in Dallas through the Port of Houston - letters of intent abound, but not a whole lot of transaction guestimates. And what has made me really anxious is that I've run across plenty of anecdotes describing how cargo will be shipped to Houston, trained to Dallas and distributed across the country, but hardly even a hint or whisper about domestic products & goods received in Dallas, trained to Houston for shipping around the world.

I haven't really thought of the bolded part before.

[tamtagon]

Trae, on Thursday, February 1st, 2007 @ 7:32pm, said:

I haven't really thought of the bolded part before.

Potentially increasing the volume of American exports through Houston is the most intriguing part of the whole deal to me. The king of cargo shipping in the Gulf is New Orleans:

Port of New Orleans Overview

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With the Mississippi River moving about 500 million tons of cargo each year – including chemicals, coal, timber, iron, steel and more than half of the nation’s grain exports, the Port of New Orleans is America’s gateway to the global market.

New Orleans has been a center for international trade since 1718 when it was founded by the French. Today, the Port of New Orleans is at the center of the world’s busiest port complex — Louisiana’s Lower Mississippi River. Its proximity to the American Midwest via a 14,500-mile inland waterway system makes New Orleans the port of choice for the movement of cargoes.

[Houston19514]

tamtagon, on Thursday, February 1st, 2007 @ 9:34pm, said:

Potentially increasing the volume of American exports through Houston is the most intriguing part of the whole deal to me. The king of cargo shipping in the Gulf is New Orleans:

Port of New Orleans Overview

Yeah, according to the Port of New Orleans. Very unbiased source there. LOL

What is the volume and value of exports through the Port of New Orleans? FWIW, for the Port of Houston in 2005, the numbers for exports were: 43.9 million tons valued at $51.3 Billion.

This post has been edited by Houston19514: Friday, February 2, 2007 at 12:54 PM

[Dallascaper]

Houston19514, on Friday, February 2nd, 2007 @ 11:50am, said:

Yeah, according to the Port of New Orleans. Very unbiased source there. LOL

What is the volume and value of exports through the Port of New Orleans? FWIW, for the Port of Houston in 2005, the numbers for exports were: 43.9 million tons valued at $51.3 Billion.

Here's an excellent source, Bureau of Transportation Statistics:

Top US Ports by Container

Ranked by Value and Weight

[Houston19514]

Dallascaper, on Friday, February 2nd, 2007 @ 3:46pm, said:

Here's an excellent source, Bureau of Transportation Statistics:

Top US Ports by Container

Ranked by Value and Weight

Cool links. Thanks.

(And . . . so much for New Orleans being the "king of cargo shipping in the Gulf")

[TheNiche]

Dallascaper, on Friday, February 2nd, 2007 @ 3:46pm, said:

Here's an excellent source, Bureau of Transportation Statistics:

Top US Ports by Container

Ranked by Value and Weight

Somebody at BTS needs to learn how to spell Corpus Christi. They typed "Corpus Christie". They also need to figure out that Port Arthur is the name of the city, and that "Arthur, TX" does not exist except as Arthur City, which is along the Red River in North Texas.

Interesting data, though. Hopefully their numbers are more reliable than their letters.

[Trae]

Does more weight mean something good?

[TheNiche]

Trae, on Friday, February 2nd, 2007 @ 5:28pm, said:

Does more weight mean something good?

Generally, yes. Houston does exceptionally well in tonnage because of the chemicals and refining operations that we've got. Liquids are heavy. You'll notice that Texas City and Freeport are also on the tonnage list. They wouldn't be there without their refineries.

But tonnage as a comparative indicator isn't particularly useful unless it is broken down into tonnage by type of cargo. For instance, for each thousand tons of cargo, fewer jobs are probably created in Houston than in Charleston because our tonnage is mostly liquid, whereas Charleston's is mostly containerized, and containerized tons are more labor-intensive.

[TxDave]

This whole thread continues to be ridiculous. All that is happening in the Dallas area is the development of a logistics center that will capitalize on "nearby" ports in order to create an extremely valuable asset for its investors.

If this "Port of Dallas" actually materializes as planned, it will be the redistribution point for goods coming in from several locations; including Houston, LA, Long Beach, and other ports in western Mexico. It will simply be a (major) redistribution center where incoming goods can be sorted and efficiently sent to their final destination -- eliminating this responsibility from the already overburdened ports of entry.

A far as the name goes - of course this is not a traditional "port" in the sense of a seaport, but calling something a port does not have to mean a "seaport". Any kind of "port" in Dallas takes nothing away from the actual Port of Houston, so there is no reason to make such a huge deal of this project. Why have we not heard similar reactions from the current "Port of San Antonio" or other comparable projects?

This is all about logistics and the efficient shipment of goods. Overall this project is good for both cities. The term "port" should not initiate any unnecessary territorial response or insecure feelings from proud Houstonians. The Port of Houston will continue to remain one of the top US seaports. Anything in Dallas will simply provide a redistribution of the incoming goods.

Houston continues to be one of the top ports of entry for goods into this country.

[2112]

With all due respect to Mr. Dave, you missed the whole point of this thread. All I was trying to do was point out yet another example of the rediculous levels of imagination that Dallas goes thru in order to paint an image of itself. True, other cities, including Houston, have some level of marketing to promote themselves. Fair enough. But, the rediculous levels that Dallas goes after is simply incredible. There is such a preocpation with its own image that it looses a sense of reality. And the reason no one here is picking on the Port of San Antonio is because that city is genuine. It doesnt beg to be this or that. It is what it is, warts and all.

[Dallascaper]

2112, on Monday, February 5th, 2007 @ 12:01am, said:

With all due respect to Mr. Dave, you missed the whole point of this thread. All I was trying to do was point out yet another example of the rediculous levels of imagination that Dallas goes thru in order to paint an image of itself. True, other cities, including Houston, have some level of marketing to promote themselves. Fair enough. But, the rediculous levels that Dallas goes after is simply incredible. There is such a preocpation with its own image that it looses a sense of reality. And the reason no one here is picking on the Port of San Antonio is because that city is genuine. It doesnt beg to be this or that. It is what it is, warts and all.

I am sure you mean well, trying to put Dallas back in its place, but by making your point you come across as someone who does not understand logistics terminology. You also come across as shallow and insecure as the city you are trying to besmirch.

In terms of Customs, the port of entry for the Dallas Intermodal facility will read “Dallas” or “Wilmer” or wherever the facility is technically located. While I personally would not call the facility the “Port of Dallas,” as such a term is obviously confusing to people, Dallas is technically a port of entry, and is correct in calling its facility a “port” if is wishes. Sorry that this offends you, but oh well.

It is too bad that the point of this thread is rendered insignificant by debating a term or perceived offence by the Dallas marketing machine, rather than discussing the real economic impact of such a facility to Texas.

[TxDave]

2112, on Monday, February 5th, 2007 @ 12:01am, said:

With all due respect to Mr. Dave, you missed the whole point of this thread. All I was trying to do was point out yet another example of the rediculous levels of imagination that Dallas goes thru in order to paint an image of itself. True, other cities, including Houston, have some level of marketing to promote themselves. Fair enough. But, the rediculous levels that Dallas goes after is simply incredible. There is such a preocpation with its own image that it looses a sense of reality. And the reason no one here is picking on the Port of San Antonio is because that city is genuine. It doesnt beg to be this or that. It is what it is, warts and all.

You are helping reinforce my opinion of this whole thread. You seem to be upset because you believe that using the term "port" is some big marketing hype that Dallas has created for itself...

I am not aware of any kind of flashy campaign - only news reports that Dallas is attempting to create a logistics hub in its southern sector - which is justifiably good economic news. Granted you might not be aware of the dichotomy between northern and southern portions of Dallas, or the progress this project will provide to the south, but it is great news for an underutilized area (with its own share of warts but also much potential).

Meanwhile, when San Antonio uses the same term, it is OK because "that city is genuine" (or perhaps not as much of a rival?). I think your hypocrisy is showing a little. No disrespect implied, but any concerns of a port in Dallas apply to San Antonio as well. Personal opinions of genuine character do not dictate whether or not a city can justifiably establish an inland port.

In the end, making fun of a Dallas "port" is "fun" with respect to the ongoing rivalry, but don't turn it into some kind of outrageous marketing hype, conspiracy, or something more than it is -- a logistics hub and potential economic generator.

[2112]

Greetings to all of you fine Dallas bunch.

You "guys" seem to think I am upset or insecure or hypocritic or outrageous, etc. etc. and.........etc. At least that is what the previous 2 threads have implied. And I also seem to be acused of not not "seeing" the point of the great economic impact this (sound of clearing of throught)..."PORT" will have on the "REGION". To anyone who has bothered to read my threads, I have on multiple occasion acknowledged the good this so called "port" will have on this "region". Thats all good. My only quirck here is to note the level of marketing gimicks that dallas goes through in order to make something more than it really is. A "port"? Longeshoremen? Come one dudes. Even a 5th grader knows what a "port" is. Heck, we all do. And I can garantee you that when any sane indivdual thinks of a "port", they think of a city with some docks and some ocean or other body of water where these "SHIPS"show up and "DOCK" to it. Ships dock to a port. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THEY ARE SHIPS. This is the essence of what is know as a PORT!!!!

Now, correct me if I'm wrong. But any other interpretation of a "port" is what I would call a "stretch", dont you think? And THAT was my point of this entire thread!!!!

I know I'm right!!! That's what makes this thing so damn funny!!!!!!! (its kinda bizzare when yout think about it)


-2112

This post has been edited by 2112: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 4:47 AM

[2112]

Trae, on Tuesday, January 30th, 2007 @ 7:03pm, said:

When ships enter the port of Houston (and possibly other ocean ports as well), giant cranes will put the containers from the cargo ships onto trains, which will be shot to Dallas, where all the logistical action will take place: customs, unloading, warehousing, sorting to destination. It is as if the boat will pull up to Houston, but the longshoremen will be in Dallas.

In short, the inland port will position southern Dallas County as the major center for the transport and distribution of goods in the central United States.

Who writes this crap?

I dont know if anyone else noticed this very clever inuendo by this dallas author, but the phrase "and possibly other ocean ports as well", attempts to downplay the fact that the port of houston is the main player here. Further, the article depicts ocean vessels entering the port of houston, where the containers are then "SHOT TO DALLAS". Thiese 3 words were carefully chosen by the author, because they imply that "as soon as" the ships are unloaded at houston's port, they are immediately taken away, as if to say, they have liitle buisiness here and are instead instantly, well, "shot", to DALLAS. Where "ALL" the action will take place.

The word "shot" carries alot of weight here, and it distills the essence of what the dallas marketering engine is trying to paint as this so called Port of Dallas.

It's so clear, isnt it....

[Dallasboi]

2112, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 5:43am, said:

Greetings to all of you fine Dallas bunch.

You "guys" seem to think I am upset or insecure or hypocritic or outrageous, etc. etc. and.........etc. At least that is what the previous 2 threads have implied. And I also seem to be acused of not not "seeing" the point of the great economic impact this (sound of clearing of throught)..."PORT" will have on the "REGION". To anyone who has bothered to read my threads, I have on multiple occasion acknowledged the good this so called "port" will have on this "region". Thats all good. My only quirck here is to note the level of marketing gimicks that dallas goes through in order to make something more than it really is. A "port"? Longeshoremen? Come one dudes. Even a 5th grader knows what a "port" is. Heck, we all do. And I can garantee you that when any sane indivdual thinks of a "port", they think of a city with some docks and some ocean or other body of water where these "SHIPS"show up and "DOCK" to it. Ships dock to a port. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THEY ARE SHIPS. This is the essence of what is know as a PORT!!!!

Now, correct me if I'm wrong. But any other interpretation of a "port" is what I would call a "stretch", dont you think? And THAT was my point of this entire thread!!!!

I know I'm right!!! That's what makes this thing so damn funny!!!!!!! (its kinda bizzare when yout think about it)
-2112

Ok...Let'st just say that all of this is true......but then how does that excuse san Antonio again? Because you even admitted that they too have a "PORT"......An Inland "Port". So they are allowed to call it that,and were wrong for doing so?..........Leave it alone Please!!!!!!

[Dallascaper]

2112, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 4:02am, said:

It's so clear, isnt it....

I suppose it is clear if you are one of those 'black helicopter' & 'tinfoil hats' people. The only thing clear is your strange fixation with an editorial written in a neighborhood Oak Cliff newspaper. I'm sorry if you feel Houston is being slighted by Dallas, but even if true, it is so subtle and insignificant that I don't understand why you keep pushing the subject down our throats. You are like a woman who keeps arguing the same point over and over for months, as if that will somehow change that fact that she lost the debate or that it even matters.

[MidtownCoog]

Quote

ocean ports

You gotta admit that the term "ocean ports" is pretty funny. Ocean ports, as opposed to land ports or air ports?

It's like they are trying to legitimize the concept of a land port.

And The Port of Houston is not even on the ocean. It's on a channel, which leads to Galveston Bay, which leads to The Gulf of Mexico.

[TexasStar]

2112, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 4:02am, said:

I dont know if anyone else noticed this very clever inuendo by this dallas author, but the phrase "and possibly other ocean ports as well", attempts to downplay the fact that the port of houston is the main player here. Further, the article depicts ocean vessels entering the port of houston, where the containers are then "SHOT TO DALLAS". Thiese 3 words were carefully chosen by the author, because they imply that "as soon as" the ships are unloaded at houston's port, they are immediately taken away, as if to say, they have liitle buisiness here and are instead instantly, well, "shot", to DALLAS. Where "ALL" the action will take place.

The word "shot" carries alot of weight here, and it distills the essence of what the dallas marketering engine is trying to paint as this so called Port of Dallas.

It's so clear, isnt it....

I'm also starting to think you've got some real issues to deal with , 2112.

[Dallascaper]

TexasStar, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 1:41pm, said:

I'm also starting to think you've got some real issues to deal with , 2112.

Well, my mistake is not realizing that 2112 wants to keep this conversation at a "5th grade" level. Hell, why am I slaving away in an MBA/Logistics and Supply Chain Management program when I can just ask a 5th grader what a port is?

Trying to have an intelligent conversation with these Houston posters is about as enlightening as asking Beavis and Butthead about sperm whales.

[Trae]

Dallascaper, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 3:06pm, said:

Well, my mistake is not realizing that 2112 wants to keep this conversation at a "5th grade" level. Hell, why am I slaving away in an MBA/Logistics and Supply Chain Management program when I can just ask a 5th grader what a port is?

Trying to have an intelligent conversation with these Houston posters is about as enlightening as asking Beavis and Butthead about sperm whales.

Dallasites really is plastic and thinks they are above everyone else.

[Houston19514]

Dallascaper, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 1:23pm, said:

keep pushing the subject down our throats.

???? That has to be one of the more bizarre statements I've ever seen on this forum. Who exactly is forcing you to place your cursor on the words "Port of Dallas" and then click?

The whole point of the thread was to make a little fun of Dallas boosters who take themselves a bit too seriously, and 5 pages later, you guys continue reinforcing the joke.

This post has been edited by Houston19514: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 4:41 PM

[babyHOUy]

Trae, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 5:17pm, said:

Dallasites really is plastic and thinks they are above everyone else.

were you trying to say: Dallasites really are plastic and they think they are above everyone else?

[Dallascaper]

Trae, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 3:17pm, said:

Dallasites really is plastic and thinks they are above everyone else.

Keep Dallas plastic!

Anyway, I stand by my statement, as far as this thread is concerned. Prove me wrong; show me the posts where any Houstonite added something substantive, factual or informative, or in any way elevated this thread above its Dallas-bashing roots.

I'll wait...

[west20th]

Houston19514, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 3:39pm, said:

???? That has to be one of the more bizarre statements I've ever seen on this forum. Who exactly is forcing you to place your cursor on the words "Port of Dallas" and then click?

The whole point of the thread was to make a little fun of Dallas boosters who take themselves a bit too seriously, and 5 pages later, you guys continue reinforcing the joke.

Gawd this thread IS 5 pages long. The "who has more upscale shopping" thread didn't even get that long. "Port of Dallas", why does the Jamaican bobsled team keep coming to mind when I see this thread?

This post has been edited by west20th: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 4:47 PM

[Trae]

At first I had said just "Dallas." I then went and changed it to "Dallasites." Then clicked "reply" without changing the rest of the sentence. My fault. Out of my 1,000+ posts, I have a few mistakes.

[Dallascaper]

Houston19514, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 3:39pm, said:

???? That has to be one of the more bizarre statements I've ever seen on this forum. Who exactly is forcing you to place your cursor on the words "Port of Dallas" and then click?

The whole point of the thread was to make a little fun of Dallas boosters who take themselves a bit too seriously, and 5 pages later, you guys continue reinforcing the joke.

See, I read a thread titled "Port of Dallas" and thinking it is going to be informative and enlightening, I clicked the link. Silly me, I didn't know it was supposed to be a display of logistics stupidity.

No, you can't stand it when some of us try to have an informative conversation about the port, so you and others butt in and start babbling.

I have to ask, why do you need to make fun of Dallas? Do you feel better after starting such a thread?

I didn’t come here to bash Houston or the people who live there. Unless my memory is wrong, I haven't posted a single word on this forum bashing or in any way being negative toward Houston. Maybe I'm just plastic! (Ask Trae)

[Houston19514]

Dallascaper, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 4:00pm, said:

See, I read a thread titled "Port of Dallas" and thinking it is going to be informative and enlightening, I clicked the link. Silly me, I didn't know it was supposed to be a display of logistics stupidity.

No, you can't stand it when some of us try to have an informative conversation about the port, so you and others butt in and start babbling.

I have to ask, why do you need to make fun of Dallas? Do you feel better after starting such a thread?

I didn’t come here to bash Houston or the people who live there. Unless my memory is wrong, I haven't posted a single word on this forum bashing or in any way being negative toward Houston. Maybe I'm just plastic! (Ask Trae)

And after coming to the thread and seeing that, from the initial post, it was a light-hearted fun-poking thread, never intended to be an informative conversation, you can't stop yourself from repeatedly returning? Again, don't take yourself so friggin' seriously. Take a deep breath. And then if you still feel compelled to write all you know about logistics, start your own thread.

[Dallascaper]

Houston19514, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 4:06pm, said:

And after coming to the thread and seeing that, from the initial post, it was a light-hearted fun-poking thread, never intended to be an informative conversation, you can't stop yourself from repeatedly returning? Again, don't take yourself so friggin' seriously. Take a deep breath. And then if you still feel compelled to write all you know about logistics, start your own thread.

Probably good advice from a HAIF veteran.

[C2H]

west20th, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 5:46pm, said:

Gawd this thread IS 5 pages long. The "who has more upscale shopping" thread didn't even get that long. "Port of Dallas", why does the Jamaican bobsled team keep coming to mind when I see this thread?

I know this is slightly off topic, but the last time i checked, the Houston VS Dallas Shopping thread is 6 pages long while this one is 5. I'd say the Houston VS Dallas Shopping thread is still probably the largest thread on the Dallas Subforum and one of the biggest threads on HAIF. Not to nitpick, but i just had to point that out. This thread is getting big though!

[2112]

Dallascaper, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 3:06pm, said:

Well, my mistake is not realizing that 2112 wants to keep this conversation at a "5th grade" level. Hell, why am I slaving away in an MBA/Logistics and Supply Chain Management program when I can just ask a 5th grader what a port is?

Trying to have an intelligent conversation with these Houston posters is about as enlightening as asking Beavis and Butthead about sperm whales.

All my hopes and dreams for this thread have come true. It's all I ever thought it would be, and then some.

[Gary]

Dallascaper, on Tuesday, February 13th, 2007 @ 3:45pm, said:

Keep Dallas plastic!

Anyway, I stand by my statement, as far as this thread is concerned. Prove me wrong; show me the posts where any Houstonite added something substantive, factual or informative, or in any way elevated this thread above its Dallas-bashing roots.

I'll wait...

I don't have any facts to give you other than we are called Houstonians, not "Houstonites".

This post has been edited by Gary: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 10:23 PM

[Subdude]

From the topic reminder above:

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Respectful discussions only. My-city-is-better-than-your-city flame wars are not permitted on HAIF.

This has more than run its course.
Closed.