[cwrm4]

For the past couple months I have watched the "urban forests" being planted along 288 inside the loop. Just yesterday I noticed that new trees are now being planted on the north side of I-10 between I-45 and Studemont.

I think this is a great step forward in helping to separate freeway blight from the neighborhoods that border these areas.

I'm curious though - is this a TxDoT inititative, or is someone else (the city, environmental group, etc) sponsoring it? If it is TxDoT, I could be on the verge of paying them a positive comment for the first time in my life.

[HeightsGuy]

Don't know about those specific examples, but Trees for Houston does a lot of this type of stuff and may very well have had a hand in planting the trees.

Trees for Houston, one of my favorite Houston Non-Profits

[MidtownCoog]

TXDOT planted the trees along and near the BW8 interchanges for sure.

Not sure about 288.

But one thing I am sure about, is that the Palm trees they planted along Dowling @45 and 45@ Scott look like poop.

This is Houston, not Miami.

At least the Palms @ Southbelt look OK, but the ones inside the loop should be removed.

[MaxConcrete]

 cwrm4, on Wednesday, December 21st, 2005 @ 12:40pm, said:

I'm curious though - is this a TxDoT inititative, or is someone else (the city, environmental group, etc) sponsoring it? If it is TxDoT, I could be on the verge of paying them a positive comment for the first time in my life.

This is a TxDOT initiative and it is called the Green Ribbon project. You can find a link to download a PDF describing the plan here
http://www.katyfreew...een_ribbon.html
In general, they want to give each freeway a distinct landscaping identity/theme.

In the recently-approved federal transportation legislation there was a significant earmark for the Green Ribbon project (I'm thinking it was something like $17 million, but I'm not sure).

However, TxDOT is not expected to provide all the funding for the Green Ribbon project. They are looking for partners such as Uptown Houston and local cities like Sugar Land.

[Montrose1100]

They planted those trees along I-45 (from Greenspoint all the way to Downtown) since last spring, if I can remember correctly.

[editor]

One thing I miss is the trees in Houston. When I moved there I couldn't believe how few there were. Then I moved to Illinois, where there are even fewer. Prairies and farms as far as the eye can see.

[texas911]

From what I've seen, those losers from TXDOT hired a "landscape architect" to do landscaping around the Beltways. Unfortunately, the "landscape architect" doesn't know crap about design and put in lots of ground cover and shrubs, which TXDOT subsequently neglected and is in a total shambles. IDIOTS! Just plant trees that don't require any maintenance. Shrubs and ground cover need lots of triming and upkeep, which TXDOT doesn't or can't afford. I really liked the pine trees they had on I-10 and Loop 610, but they tore them out for the expansion.

This post has been edited by texas911: Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 6:12 PM

[MidtownCoog]

There is a nice mix of oak and pines up near Humble and BW8. But they don't get the water they need.

The tress near 59 and 610 are doing great, but they look like they don't live too be very old. I think the best growth is at 45 and BW8. This plams there actually grow.

But you do need the public participation. There was an article not long ago how The Woodlands and TXDOT worked together. But the rest of this city is far too unogranized. We can't even deal with our litter problem.

On a positive note. They are planting a lot of new trees along Travis. Not sure if the downtown trees get enough care either. Some of the guidlines Trees for Houston and the COH Forestry department are not being followed downtown.

Go figure.

[RedScare]

Downtown Houston, inc. usually takes care of the trees DT. I have seen them on many occasions watering the trees and shrubs in north DT. Not sure about the rest of DT.

[Houstonian in Iraq]

Here's an article from the Chronicle about
them trees

Quote

Texas 288 gets even greener
Second phase of beautification, landscaping effort plants more trees
By MIKE SNYDER
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle
......The Texas 288 broad median was intended to preserve right of way for future expansion of the freeway. Highway department officials, however, said no expansion is likely for the next 10 years or so, giving Houstonians plenty of time to enjoy the new landscaping.

I hope it doesn't come down to the freeway expanding and tearing down trees like they did at I-10 and 610.

[nmainguy]

 Houstonian in Iraq, on Wednesday, December 28th, 2005 @ 5:21pm, said:

Here's an article from the Chronicle about
them trees

I hope it doesn't come down to the freeway expanding and tearing down trees like they did at I-10 and 610.

I will make an educated guess that once the 610/10 intersection is finished, it will be re-forested.
I remember when 610 @ 290 was built and look at it now. Same when 610 @ 10 was built.


BTW: Where are you now? Home or "away"?
Which ever, remain safe.

[Houstonian in Iraq]

 nmainguy, on Wednesday, December 28th, 2005 @ 5:29pm, said:

I will make an educated guess that once the 610/10 intersection is finished, it will be re-forested.
I remember when 610 @ 290 was built and look at it now. Same when 610 @ 10 was built.


BTW: Where are you now? Home or "away"?
Which ever, remain safe.

Yeah it was just a shame to see all those trees get torn down after they were well established.

I'm still away.....hopefully I will be back in town late Jan. or in Feb.
.....can't wait

[HtownKid]

 MidtownCoog, on Wednesday, December 21st, 2005 @ 2:21pm, said:

TXDOT planted the trees along and near the BW8 interchanges for sure.

Not sure about 288.

But one thing I am sure about, is that the Palm trees they planted along Dowling @45 and 45@ Scott look like poop.

This is Houston, not Miami.

At least the Palms @ Southbelt look OK, but the ones inside the loop should be removed.

What are you talking about Palms trees are great I like the ones that line post oak , If anything we need a lot more of them planted but the extremly tall ones not those stubby ones

[MidtownCoog]

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I like the ones that line post oak

No doubt the ones on Post Oak are well taken care of.

Can't say the same for the ones on Dowling.

[houstonfella]

And lots of Oleanders. These grow crazy in Houston and bloom most of the year. They are great.

[zaphod]

even shrubs are better than them just hydromulching

[GettaClue]

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Yeah it was just a shame to see all those trees get torn down after they were well established.

I know it doens't help much, but at least the trees there weren't just cut down. Most were removed and trasplanted to the Milly Bush Dog Park at George Bush Park in Pct. 3. That at least is a big improvement over the way things are usually done in this city.

[bwj]

Without specifying which palms where look best, I like the way palm trees look and found them a good choice for placing along the highway. It is amazing when you look around and realize how many palms there are in this town. First place that comes to mind is W Gray.

Surprisingly, palms line Canal street in New Orleans down around the Quarter. Most people would never think that. What I mean is they certainly aren't just for southern Florida.

Another benefit is palms shoot up fast if they are watered enough.

[Metro Matt]

I know one thing for sure is I45 North of Downtown, all the way past The Woodlands is getting pine trees planted like crazy in the once barren grassy areas between the freeway & the feeder road. As a matter of fact, I see workers tilling up the dirt & planting them almost every day. I'll try to get some pix tommorrow for y'all.

[XLR8]

I have searched and searched this form and the internet and I can't seem to find out what are the Eucalyptus like trees that are popping up along the Beltway @ 59 in Houston and now found some at Moody Gardens in Galveston.

[MaxConcrete]

 XLR8, on Sunday, April 16th, 2006 @ 10:41pm, said:

I have searched and searched this form and the internet and I can't seem to find out what are the Eucalyptus like trees that are popping up along the Beltway @ 59 in Houston and now found some at Moody Gardens in Galveston.

I contacted TxDOT and it is a hybrid Eucalytus designed to survive our winters. They grow extremely well in Houston and become very tall very quickly, such as at BW8 and 59S. There is also a large stand at 610 and 59N. The hybrids are produced by a local nursery but I don't know that the other component is.

Apparently TxDOT does not use them widely because landscaping partners (ie cities and agencies) want indigenous plants and trees. Personally, I would like to see more of the hybrid Eucalyptus. Eucalyptus are not indigenous to California but they look great along California freeways.

[TxDave]

 MaxConcrete, on Sunday, April 16th, 2006 @ 11:02pm, said:

Apparently TxDOT does not use them widely because landscaping partners (ie cities and agencies) want indigenous plants and trees. Personally, I would like to see more of the hybrid Eucalyptus. Eucalyptus are not indigenous to California but they look great along California freeways.

What are some of the trees considered indigenous to Houston?

I know there are a lot of Live Oaks and Pines (what type?).

I would love to know the best (natural?) trees for the area.

[nmainguy]

 TxDave, on Sunday, April 16th, 2006 @ 11:48pm, said:

What are some of the trees considered indigenous to Houston?

I know there are a lot of Live Oaks and Pines (what type?).

I would love to know the best (natural?) trees for the area.

Pin Oaks, Post Oaks, Live Oaks, Red Buds, White Oaks-my favorites, Tallows because of their colors in the fall, Ash [but they dissemble after about 15 years] and Crepe Myrtles-they're not considered to be trees by many but there is still one on my grandparent's property on E 11th that has said to be one of the biggest in Texas -35' tall and looks like a tree to me .

[Original Timmy Chan's]

 nmainguy, on Monday, April 17th, 2006 @ 1:10am, said:

Pin Oaks, Post Oaks, Live Oaks, Red Buds, White Oaks-my favorites, Tallows because of their colors in the fall, Ash [but they dissemble after about 15 years] and Crepe Myrtles-they're not considered to be trees by many but there is still one on my grandparent's property on E 11th that has said to be one of the biggest in Texas -35' tall and looks like a tree to me .

Tallow trees are not native to Houston...or the US for that matter. I hear they were planted widely by developers in the early 20th century because of the fall colors, and the fact that they are fast growers.

However, as you said, they also have a short life span.

I've also been told that they are ecologically worthless trees. They are an invader species, crowding out native species of trees and grass on our native prairies (this is obvious on the coastal plains south of Houston). In addition, I've been told that the trees are not used by any animal. Neither birds nor animals will eat their fruits, and neither birds nor animals will use the tree for a nesting grounds.

Kill all the tallows you can...and then kill some more.

[ConstructionManagerMAS]

Tallows are definitely a non-native pest tree. There are some areas around that have tallow eradication programs.

[gavoodi]

 MaxConcrete, on Sunday, April 16th, 2006 @ 11:02pm, said:

I contacted TxDOT and it is a hybrid Eucalytus designed to survive our winters. They grow extremely well in Houston and become very tall very quickly, such as at BW8 and 59S. There is also a large stand at 610 and 59N. The hybrids are produced by a local nursery but I don't know that the other component is.

Apparently TxDOT does not use them widely because landscaping partners (ie cities and agencies) want indigenous plants and trees. Personally, I would like to see more of the hybrid Eucalyptus. Eucalyptus are not indigenous to California but they look great along California freeways.

Those eucalyptus grow 20 feet a year and will get 200 feet high according to the nursery. I went out and bought some of them for $10 each. They are located near Surfside. All those trees are female.

[bachanon]

i believe those may be the same trees i've noticed along the hardy toll road/jfk, airport connector.

[XLR8]

I have read a lot of negative stuff about eucalyptus. But maybe it's related to a particular type.

It's like overnight they've been popping up all around. There's some near Texas City planted right off 146 along a bayou and I belive there are some planted along 59 @ Hazard above. I wonder what is the advantage of using these non-native trees around our area and is there any risk like the chinese tallows? I also wonder what they are a hybrid of and where you can get them?

[dp2]

Eucalyptus are invasive, can use up lots of water, and are a huge fire hazard because of their oily leaves. Was a big mistake to introduce them to California, their wood was crappy and they made the fire danger much worse. Would be a mistake to let them get out of control here, but unscrupulous nurseries only care about making a quick buck.

[dp2]

 Original Timmy Chan, on Monday, April 17th, 2006 @ 1:37pm, said:

I've also been told that they are ecologically worthless trees...In addition, I've been told that the trees are not used by any animal. Neither birds nor animals will eat their fruits, and neither birds nor animals will use the tree for a nesting grounds.

While Tallows are invasive, poisonous to cattle, and generally a trash tree, the above is baloney.

This post has been edited by dp2: Sunday, April 23, 2006 at 10:11 PM

[gavoodi]

 dp2, on Sunday, April 23rd, 2006 @ 9:53pm, said:

Eucalyptus are invasive, can use up lots of water, and are a huge fire hazard because of their oily leaves. Was a big mistake to introduce them to California, their wood was crappy and they made the fire danger much worse. Would be a mistake to let them get out of control here, but unscrupulous nurseries only care about making a quick buck.

The story I got when I bought the trees at the nursery near Surfside was they were originally brought over to Texas to try and clear up contaminated groundwater. I think they planted a lot of these at a Dow Chemical plant or some such contaminated place. They drink a lot of water. I don't know as I would go so far as calling the nursery "unscrupulous". The guy there was pretty up front about them. I think there is only one nursery that sells them.

They are calling it a Galveston Eucalyptus. The draw backs about them are that the bark and leaves they shed have no biological enemies therefore the leaves & bark need to be raked. Txdot was looking for plant and forget type trees so I think the Eucalyptus may be up in the air for future plantings.

Other drawbacks that the nursery guy said was the fire part and that the trees produce a small fruit in the summer which could clog possibly stick on birds beaks. He said you also don't want to plant one right next to the foundation of your house. He touched on the invasive aspect too and said that all the trees he sells are sterile.

They are really cool looking trees though and fast growing.

[XLR8]

 gavoodi, on Sunday, April 23rd, 2006 @ 10:44pm, said:

The story I got when I bought the trees at the nursery near Surfside was they were originally brought over to Texas to try and clear up contaminated groundwater. I think they planted a lot of these at a Dow Chemical plant or some such contaminated place. They drink a lot of water. I don't know as I would go so far as calling the nursery "unscrupulous". The guy there was pretty up front about them. I think there is only one nursery that sells them.

They are calling it a Galveston Eucalyptus. The draw backs about them are that the bark and leaves they shed have no biological enemies therefore the leaves & bark need to be raked. Txdot was looking for plant and forget type trees so I think the Eucalyptus may be up in the air for future plantings.

Other drawbacks that the nursery guy said was the fire part and that the trees produce a small fruit in the summer which could clog possibly stick on birds beaks. He said you also don't want to plant one right next to the foundation of your house. He touched on the invasive aspect too and said that all the trees he sells are sterile.

They are really cool looking trees though and fast growing.

This is where I pause for a second and take a deep breath and wonder if it was a good idea to bring these trees to Texas. I can see headlines in a 100 years. Supposedly sterile highly flamible 200 foot tall bird killing trees that have taken over the Texas Gulf Coast replacing the tallows are now on fire threating the city.

[texas911]

The Tall growing trees under BW8 and 59South are ugly and unkept. If TXDOT wanted a plant and forget type landscaping, they should have had planted pines in big clumps.

[plumber2]

Can they plant a tree that will kill the "fire ants"?

[Vertigo58]

 plumber2, on Wednesday, August 8th, 2007 @ 1:04pm, said:

Can they plant a tree that will kill the "fire ants"?

As much as I love these palms, beware. Ants love to make a high rise condo out of them. The center/top where rains cascades down provides the perfect ingredients for ant heaven. Then there are the dates or fruit it produces once matured. Looks beautiful from a distance but once they drop become a slimy mess and attract millions of flies. Your neighbors will loath you for it. So unless you enjoy scooping them up. I would think twice about these. I have about 10 lining my lot. Looks tropical but will be quite hellish soon.

PS, most of the Mex palms they planted along 45/Fuqua have been crashed into by wreckless drivers.