H-Town Man Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) Yeah, right - a whole 4,000 spaces. And regardless of whether it's Official Giants Parking or other options, it costs the freakin' earth. In comparison, NRG park has 26,000+ on site. I don't think I've seen anything much higher than $20 or so at MMP, even back when the Lastros weren't awful. But Bubba and Sally Farhome are different critters here than in the Bay Area. I've had Suburbans full of suburbanites gape at me as if I'd turned green and sprouted antennae as I've pulled into an open street spot and gotten out of my car, while they waited in line to pay to park in an adjacent lot. In contrast, AT&T is super easy to get to via BART and/or MUNI - and trust me, the MUNI Metro and BART were packed for the games I've gone to there. Oh, and BART does go to Walnut Creek, and makes it into the city in about 35 minutes. Perhaps you could match that time driving to a weekend game, but likely not. First you get the joy that is the Caldecott Tunnel, then the ever exciting MacArthur Maze, and then this: The aerial view of Lot A at AT&T looks pretty comparable to those giant lots going east from MMP and 59. 4,000 for preferred season ticket holders and those willing to pay makes a difference, otherwise the Giants wouldn't have invested so much in keeping it there. Underscoring my point that the Astros are not going to let that go unless an alternate parking structure exists. Not sure what parking costs or the size of NRG's parking have to do with it. Edited October 28, 2014 by H-Town Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Underscoring my point that the Astros are not going to let that go unless an alternate parking structure exists. Not sure what parking costs or the size of NRG's parking have to do with it.well yeah.. thats a given. they could build a garage on the thin strip between 59 and MMP with sky bridges linking into the upper decks (with ticket booths of course) for direct access to parking. and then a garage on the southeast quadrant/block of the big super block parking lot north of BBVA Compass Stadium. then they would have 5 blocks of vacant land to develop. and if they do it right it could spur development on the rundown land surrounding that to the north and the east and turn that part of the east end around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timoric Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) - Edited July 8, 2019 by Timoric 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate99 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Yeah, right - a whole 4,000 spaces. And regardless of whether it's Official Giants Parking or other options, it costs the freakin' earth. In comparison, NRG park has 26,000+ on site. I don't think I've seen anything much higher than $20 or so at MMP, even back when the Lastros weren't awful. But Bubba and Sally Farhome are different critters here than in the Bay Area. I've had Suburbans full of suburbanites gape at me as if I'd turned green and sprouted antennae as I've pulled into an open street spot and gotten out of my car, while they waited in line to pay to park in an adjacent lot. In contrast, AT&T is super easy to get to via BART and/or MUNI - and trust me, the MUNI Metro and BART were packed for the games I've gone to there. Oh, and BART does go to Walnut Creek, and makes it into the city in about 35 minutes. Perhaps you could match that time driving to a weekend game, but likely not. First you get the joy that is the Caldecott Tunnel, then the ever exciting MacArthur Maze, and then this: I was over there somewhere thought it was Walnut Creek, but evidently not, trying to get back to SFO and ended up having to get a cab either 30 minutes to the nearest BART station to then route back through the city or an stay in the cab an hour to SFO. That was expensive. Some places in the bay area don't work well with their mass transit options, by design I would imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 well yeah.. thats a given. they could build a garage on the thin strip between 59 and MMP with sky bridges linking into the upper decks (with ticket booths of course) for direct access to parking. and then a garage on the southeast quadrant/block of the big super block parking lot north of BBVA Compass Stadium. then they would have 5 blocks of vacant land to develop. and if they do it right it could spur development on the rundown land surrounding that to the north and the east and turn that part of the east end around. That's probably the less expensive route. But an expansive underground structure like I'm suggesting could both satisfy the Astros' needs and provide parking to fuel the development in the area, without putting structures up in the air. The vacant blocks north of MMP would be a better location, but might run into problems with streets and utilities. The super parking lot east of 59 would be the easiest, but probably needs to wait until there's more development to justify it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanize713 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Correct me if I am wrong but is there not a massive 7 story parking garage going up a block over from MMP that is supposed to service the area for big events? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Correct me if I am wrong but is there not a massive 7 story parking garage going up a block over from MMP that is supposed to service the area for big events? Is this a block south? Do you know how many spaces it will hold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollusk Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I was over there somewhere thought it was Walnut Creek, but evidently not, trying to get back to SFO and ended up having to get a cab either 30 minutes to the nearest BART station to then route back through the city or an stay in the cab an hour to SFO. That was expensive. Some places in the bay area don't work well with their mass transit options, by design I would imagine. True enough for visitors - however, the suburban BART stations generally have parking garages for the local population, and pick up/drop off lanes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Need to see a picture to understand what area you are talking about ignore the developments and the deck park over 59. lol, it was part of a fantasy "parks district" plan i sketched up a while back. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Correct me if I am wrong but is there not a massive 7 story parking garage going up a block over from MMP that is supposed to service the area for big events?yes, mainly for the GRBs needs.. but were talking about parking garages to replace the massive 6 blocks of surface parking between MMP and BBVA, so that area can be redeveloped into something better than asphalt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryDierker Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 The GRB garage is a block away. There is also a 300 car garage proposed for the Catholic Church on a lot that borders the third base line, which is where most of the ticket booths are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) ignore the developments and the deck park over 59. lol, it was part of a fantasy "parks district" plan i sketched up a while back. Cool stuff. But you gave your parking garages prime Texas Avenue frontage and set the office buildings back in lala land! I think one thing the Downtown District should strive for is no parking garages on Texas Avenue, besides the existing one at 601 Travis. I would say the same thing about Main Street, but that ship has loooong sailed. Edited October 29, 2014 by H-Town Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 cloud713, my great pal.... you know that i love you. but what! look.. i am not going to laugh ok. i swear i'm not... i am going to do everything possible to keep from laughing... so please explain those aforementioned architectural gems.... i mean... buddy please please explain.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Cool stuff. But you gave your parking garages prime Texas Avenue frontage and set the office buildings back in lala land! I think one thing the Downtown District should strive for is no parking garages on Texas Avenue, besides the existing one at 601 Travis. I would say the same thing about Main Street, but that ship has loooong sailed. The parking garages had GFR that lined Texas (and also faced the park).. And I envisioned large led advertising signs on the garage walls above the gfr to advertise events and what not, but all that is for a different discussion. cloud713, my great pal.... you know that i love you. but what! look.. i am not going to laugh ok. i swear i'm not... i am going to do everything possible to keep from laughing... so please explain those aforementioned architectural gems.... i mean... buddy please please explain.... Lmao.. I'm not going to side track this thread.. If you want to discuss it further I made a little thread that I sidetracked into a few different park and development fantasies in the general subforum. Ha http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/topic/30089-improving-the-houston-parks-system/?fromsearch=1 P.s. It's ok to laugh.. The astroworld thing in the linked thread totally sucked. .. I wish I could delete that one. Ha, ok now please ignore that drawing.. I only linked it to show what I meant with the garage locations and connections into the upper decks of mmp. I think this thread is already sidetracked enough.. Lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elseed Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 This is off topic but I didn't really know where to place it....has anybody heard of a future mixed use development coming to EaDo? Apparently it'll be next to the new Ecclesia Church and HFP....I'm asking because it was mentioned in this article.... http://www.chron.com/life/food/article/Houston-food-truck-parks-plots-next-location-in-5869640.php " Just a block away from the HFP/Ecclesia complex a mixed use development is coming up, said Ponce, which will only mean more business for everyone once it’s completed. Right now some of the biggest days at the park are when the Houston Dynamo are playing at nearby BBVA Compass Stadium." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) This is off topic but I didn't really know where to place it....has anybody heard of a future mixed use development coming to EaDo? Apparently it'll be next to the new Ecclesia Church and HFP....I'm asking because it was mentioned in this article.... http://www.chron.com/life/food/article/Houston-food-truck-parks-plots-next-location-in-5869640.php " Just a block away from the HFP/Ecclesia complex a mixed use development is coming up, said Ponce, which will only mean more business for everyone once it’s completed. Right now some of the biggest days at the park are when the Houston Dynamo are playing at nearby BBVA Compass Stadium." This might just be the Houston definition of mixed use where it means a strip shopping center that has both retail AND a restaurant, maybe even a bank. Or it could be EaDo Place. Edited November 6, 2014 by H-Town Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 This might just be the Houston definition of mixed use where it means a strip shopping center that has both retail AND a restaurant, maybe even a bank. Or it could be EaDo Place.Yup. Was just about to post that it sounds like EaDo Place. They already have the block fenced off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) Yup. Was just about to post that it sounds like EaDo Place. They already have the block fenced off. I'm surprised you haven't updated the thread with a photo. Must be slipping... Well don't I feel like a flock of castles, you have... Edited November 6, 2014 by H-Town Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Are they still calling it EaDo place when the Master Plan says East End? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Are they still calling it EaDo place when the Master Plan says East End? EaEn Place is harder to say. Although it actually does sound less stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Yes, but now the residents can claim to be the EastEnders... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mab Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monarch Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 holy moses! no way they are going to construct something like this upon that most barron vicinity as per downtown... no way! wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avossos Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 holy moses! no way they are going to construct something like this upon that most barron vicinity as per downtown... no way! wow! I certainly hope they do. that looks very promising. It could be nice mason work... but I wont hold my breath! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andre154 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) I was at the meeting today, (That's actually my a photo from my one of my tweets) and it was noted that there would be retail on the bottom floor as well. That's reflected in the rendering. Edited November 13, 2014 by andre154 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstontexasjack Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Wonderful. I like the continued effort to mimic the colors of Minute Maid. We truly could have a "ballpark district" as others on the forum have suggested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxtethogrady Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 It's nice - looks sort of Adams Morgan DC. And it probably rents for $2.80 a sf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Wonderful. I like the continued effort to mimic the colors of Minute Maid. We truly could have a "ballpark district" as others on the forum have suggested. Hmmm. This is actually something interesting to pick up. We are actually starting to develop a sort of materiality and feel in different parts of downtown. While the design is once again historicist in nature at least it is playing off of the foundation or palette of materials established by Minute Maid Park. It would be nice if some of these developers were a little more daring with the brick and mortal they are using (there are plenty of examples where you do crazy cool stuff with brick) instead of reverting to past styles. Of course the other argument is that there isn't a precedent period so why not infuse some of the old styles to build up a diverse palette of architectural styles before everyone moves into contemporary and that might be the case. It's certainly safer for these developers who have never done mid-rises to go to proven styles. On the flip side you have the sleek glass exteriors and more contemporary approaches (still pretty safe for what they could do) near discovery green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbannizer Posted November 13, 2014 Author Share Posted November 13, 2014 Here's a better look, construction will not begin until 3Q 2015. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Urbannizer, Do you know if this one is also going to try to push for Super Bowl in 2017 or it's going on it's own timeline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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