LarryDierker Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 According to a resident at 2016 Main, the Visitor Parking Lot will be replaced with an 11 story apartment building. Environmental work to start at the end of June. anybody know anything? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 According to a resident at 2016 Main, the Visitor Parking Lot will be replaced with an 11 story apartment building. Environmental work to start at the end of June.anybody know anything? Is that the lot south of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite_jim Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Is that the lot south of it?Yes, 914 Gray St. Midtown Redevelopment Authority was the buyer. 2016 Main's lease ends on 06/30/2014 from Central Parking. The proposed bldg was in the long term planning phase, which to me suggests they are looking at acquiring another parcel on the block. Also, GFR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Yes, 914 Gray St.Midtown Redevelopment Authority was the buyer. 2016 Main's lease ends on 06/30/2014 from Central Parking. The proposed bldg was in the long term planning phase, which to me suggests they are looking at acquiring another parcel on the block.Also, GFR.You had me at GFR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Money Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 GFR + downtown residential = game changer!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtterlyUrban Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Without looking at a map, wouldn't this parcel be adjacent to the Greyhound station? If so, unless Greyhound moves, I am unsure how well received this project would be in the market.Yes, I know that the City wants Greyhound to move but the Mayor is on record that NIMBY issues are problematic....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moore713 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I think the only way you are going to get greyhound to move is to revive the unified transit hub plan..maybe if the proposed Dallas to Houston plans which would give the city something to build around 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I think the only way you are going to get greyhound to move is to revive the unified transit hub plan..maybe if the proposed Dallas to Houston plans which would give the city something to build aroundThis is exactly how I feel/what I'm hoping.. The only downside of the 11 story in that location is the north/downtown views will all be blocked by 2016 Main. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminare Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 This is exactly how I feel/what I'm hoping.. The only downside of the 11 story in that location is the north/downtown views will all be blocked by 2016 Main. Correct. Sadly we won't be seeing much activity on those lots close to the freeway until TxDOT moves their lazy buts and decides how they want to deal with the Pierce. I really just want them to demo that building though. It's one of the worst blights in the whole area. On a positive note they get first dibs on the Greyhound lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdueenginerd Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I think greyhound only uses 1/4th of that block. Enterprise rental uses another 1/4th.Central Square, The Alexin Apartments 2 blocks away, a new 11 story building. Impressive turnaround for what many consider a "rougher" part of midtown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi-Char-Hou-Dal Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 interesting... still want to know what happened to Wharhols? Larry does your friend have any scoop there? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricco67 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 It will be interesting to see what effect the additional pedestrian traffic would have on the hustlers at the station. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 no bar will ever be successful at 2016 Main because of the bus station. All the hustlers, crack heads, and thugs chase off good clientele. That Mickey D's there is a disaster area- it's the dirtiest restaurant i have ever walked away from That's what happened to Warhols. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I agree with the mayor that NIMBY issues are problematic. The mayor is not a dictator. She can't just move someone from their property because somebody asked. Its not that easy. Greyhound has rights too.Furthermore, greyhound is a contributing cause but not the only cause. There are half a dozen homeless shelters and a couple of churches in the area. So to single out greyhound is not really fair.Finally, on a legal basis, there is the notion of coming to the nuisance. Greyhound is not newly moving to a river oaks type neighborhood. You can't move in next to a slaughterhouse and then complain that the smell is a nuisance. You decided to come to the nuisance so it's your fault. I would like to see the area improve, but the mayor is right. She can't just tell them ok, why don't you move to Afton Oaks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Town Man Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Furthermore, greyhound is a contributing cause but not the only cause. There are half a dozen homeless shelters and a couple of churches in the area. So to single out greyhound is not really fair. Churches just seem to be magnets for those pesky poor people, and vice versa. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite_jim Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I think greyhound only uses 1/4th of that block. Enterprise rental uses another 1/4th.Greyhound leases that 1/2 block along Webster St. from Rice U. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud713 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 if were going to have the prisons on a little Alcatraz, we might as well build some low income housing and homeless shelters on the new island too.. then all the undesirables can be controlled and confined to the island. if/when they ever get river boats going up and down the bayou they can make the loop around the North Canal and past Allens Landing, while looking in awe at the prisoners and the poor. it will be a new tourist attraction for the rich and powerful.but really. move homeless shelters and low income housing to the island/next to the prisons.. yay, nay? that area is already kind of blighted and wont be useful for much besides more undesirable stuff anyways. i really wish the prisons could be moved so that island could be developed into a big touristy development, but i dont see it happening anytime soon. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timoric Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) - Edited July 8, 2019 by Timoric 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Nay. Homeless shelters in less visible locations like inexpensive old industrial space like at crosstimbers and north loop. Crosstimbers doesn't meet the North Loop... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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H-Town Man Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Or we can just deal with it. I lived in Budapest two years and there were homeless people all over the place. It wasn't a big deal, and they posed no barrier to urban neighborhoods that were much more lively and exciting than anything in Houston. If the type of residents we're trying to attract can't stand any panhandlers being around, they're not the residents we want. Let them go to the Greater River Oaks District. This is part of the difference between living in a real city and a controlled yuppie playground. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fernz Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Well said HTown!I lived in DC for a few years, in a very up and coming neighborhood, with Whole Foods down the street and a bunch of high end condos all around. On my 3/4 block walk to whole foods, I had to walk past a church with a homeless encampment on its front stairs, and a hardware store that served as day-laborers pickup location. And guess what, the neighborhood was all the better for it, quite lively and diverse. My wife walked that block with our infant baby every day without ever feeling threatened. Let's stop pretending that the homeless are such a nuisance and undeserving of living amongst us. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timoric Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) - Edited July 8, 2019 by Timoric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonIsHome Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I agree with htown man and fernz. I don't think its the homeless people that mage downtown/upper midtown scary. I think its scary because it looks like one of those life after people cities (especially after night).The homeless population is on par with many big cities but the non-homeless population isn't. When you see the resident population increase, the homeless presence won't stand out much.Also, as the different areas of downtown and midtown develop, maybe the homeless will spread out instead of concentrating in just a few haunts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samkan Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) I totally agree that Greyhound has all the rights to stay but since there is a noise issue that they create almost every night, I think they need to warn their drivers not to honk in the middle of the night even early morning - 2 am, 3 am, 4 am... you name it. There are times, Greyhound drivers honk 30 seconds without giving break around 4am. I live in 2016 Main and I am witnessing this every single day. Believe me, it is not a good feeling. The reason that they do honk is very simple. The vehicles that they drop off passengers, block bus entrance and exit of the station. Why? Because, since there is a light rail there, vehicles do not have any pick up/drop off spots in this station. Can you imagine a Greyhound bus station with NO pick up/drop off area??? Unfortunately, in Houston they DON'T. So there is two simple solution for the Greyhound issue. 1) You create a noise ordinance in this area right away 2) You close the main street to vehicle traffic (which I think this idea is on the table for a while). Once these two will be in place, Greyhound will be gladly leave the premises in no time. Edited June 4, 2014 by samkan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillip_white Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I totally agree that Greyhound has all the rights to stay but since there is a noise issue that they create almost every night, I think they need to warn their drivers not to honk in the middle of the night even early morning - 2 am, 3 am, 4 am... you name it. There are times, Greyhound drivers honk 30 seconds without giving break around 4am. I live in 2016 Main and I am witnessing this every single day. Believe me, it is not a good feeling. The reason that they do honk is very simple. The vehicles that they drop off passengers, block bus entrance and exit of the station. Why? Because, since there is a light rail there, vehicles do not have any pick up/drop off spots in this station. Can you imagine a Greyhound bus station with NO pick up/drop off area??? Unfortunately, in Houston they DON'T. So there is two simple solution for the Greyhound issue. 1) You create a noise ordinance in this area right away 2) You close the main street to vehicle traffic (which I think this idea is on the table for a while). Once these two will be in place, Greyhound will be gladly leave the premises in no time. Samkan, I didn't realize that was where the honking was coming from. I live all the way at Austin and McGowen and I hear that honking almost every single day, inside my house with the windows closed. I would support enforcement of the noise ordinance, and if you're truly upset by the noise (it was more perplexing to me) I would advise you to contact the city about it. They're not going to fix a problem that they aren't aware of.Anway, to stay on topic, I think this would be a boon to that area. Sure, there are homeless people and drug addicts and ne'er-do-wells, but they were here first and we have to remember that. Maybe as time passes the charity groups will sell their high-value property and all of them will move out to the burbs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite_jim Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Fence goes up today; soil remediation will begin. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed_Tx Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 best place to move the bus station is at Washington and Elder- right behind the cop shop, so that none of the typical ignance that comes with bust stations will occur... lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timoric Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) - Edited July 8, 2019 by Timoric 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylejack Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 no bar will ever be successful at 2016 Main because of the bus station. All the hustlers, crack heads, and thugs chase off good clientele. That Mickey D's there is a disaster area- it's the dirtiest restaurant i have ever walked away from That's what happened to Warhols. Sammy's was a success. Until Sammy left, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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