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Retail District Planned, to be Centered Around Dallas St.

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ChrisPHous    72

Very sweet...could be a huge addition. Connecting to discovery green is obvious. People come for the conventions and such, now we give them a reason to stay downtown. I like!

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Eiknujrac    5

Would be nice. I always wonder about these sorts of grand plans though.

I think the thing i like most about this, being that it is actually happening, is the widening of the sidewalks around the pavilions. The building/complex really does need a more inviting exterior, hopefully this will encourage sidewalk seating, etc.

The rest of it, who knows. Would be nice if the Sakowitz building did actual renovate for retail. It's such a bizarre sight to see a building like that, and look inside to only see parking.

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TheNiche    969

Would be nice if the Sakowitz building did actual renovate for retail. It's such a bizarre sight to see a building like that, and look inside to only see parking.

I kind of like it bizzare, to be honest. I only wish that they'd do a better job with bird control.

As for the downtown plans, I only hope that people understand that the difference between a sketch as a vision, a plan as a framework, and a financially feasible proposal.

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Mister X    192

What a fun, exciting, potentially positive game-changing idea for downtown Houston.

The people here will absolutely DESPISE it. The last thing we need is any fancy-shmancy ideas getting us all worked up. We must never lose touch with that CAN'T DO attitude. No dreaming allowed. No exceptions!

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TheNiche    969

Fantasize all you like, by all means! Please. The world needs it. Just recognize that a sketch is not a social contract.

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RedScare    1636

Good to see they stole my idea from 3-4 years ago. I called Dallas Street as a potential destination street in one of those Dallas/Houston comparison threads (I think it is locked now). It has good potential with what is already there. Some TLC along the sidewalks could entice some movement by retailers and restaurantuers. I agree with Niche, though the Downtown Management District does actually have a funding source.

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Mister X    192

Fantasize all you like, by all means! Please. The world needs it. Just recognize that a sketch is not a social contract.

I'm glad you told me that. I was just about to file a lawsuit on the Regency Square developers because I'm tired of waiting for groundbreaking.

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scarface    106

Good to see they stole my idea from 3-4 years ago. I called Dallas Street as a potential destination street in one of those Dallas/Houston comparison threads (I think it is locked now). It has good potential with what is already there. Some TLC along the sidewalks could entice some movement by retailers and restaurantuers. I agree with Niche, though the Downtown Management District does actually have a funding source.

I think i remember when you were talking about this. Wasn't it something about the Dallas Street Promenade or something? I had a similar idea on that too.

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RedScare    1636

I think i remember when you were talking about this. Wasn't it something about the Dallas Street Promenade or something? I had a similar idea on that too.

Yep. Sure was. I still think in time it could work out. I'm not sure we should expect much during this recession/sluggish recovery, though.

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TheNiche    969

Is this new? And do these studies actually produce results?

http://www.h-gac.com...ntown-eado.aspx

Not without political buy-in. It would require a fairly substantial programmatic and responsibly-administered subsidy to achieve the vision within any reasonable time horizon. To that end, fanciful sketches and the glowing recommendations of bought-and-paid-for economic consultants make for the best possible ammunition. (And Red is right that the Downtown Mgt. District has lots of money...but not enough to go it alone.) If patience isn't an issue, then all it takes are some draconian land use restrictions and lots of time.

And even under these circumstances...projects like Victory in Dallas and our own experiences with Houston Pavilions have demonstrated that ground-level retail can't be force-fed. The number of vacant storefronts would be substantial. Many people think that what is above retail supports the retail, but that's true only to a very limited extent. It takes a critical mass for that to occur. I once calculated that at a minimum, it would take a quarter-mile radial area comprised of homogenous 22-story apartment towers with ground-floor retail (and structured parking, not included in the story count) in order for those storefronts to be self-sufficient from a market perspective. Obviously, what is envisioned for east Downtown does not have to be completely self-sustaining to be worthwhile, but it does give some perspective as to the nature of the challenge.

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Mister X    192

Told y'all this was a stupid idea. I think they should build a small refinery and warehouse district on those blocks. That would be easier and more cost effective. Get Real People!

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TheNiche    969

Told y'all this was a stupid idea. I think they should build a small refinery and warehouse district on those blocks. That would be easier and more cost effective. Get Real People!

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Highway6    365

Fantasize all you like, by all means! Please. The world needs it. Just recognize that a sketch is not a social contract.

Not true. To some haifers.. a rendering is a solemn vow forged in steel.

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infinite_jim    912

The main problem with Dallas St. is the bldg service docks for HP/HOB and the office tower (4xx? Fannin) across the street. I'm not one to judge (b/c I do this all the time) but walking by dumpsters and the "retail pedestrian experience" seem a tad at odds with the vision expressed here.

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Daniepwils    21

The main problem with Dallas St. is the bldg service docks for HP/HOB and the office tower (4xx? Fannin) across the street. I'm not one to judge (b/c I do this all the time) but walking by dumpsters and the "retail pedestrian experience" seem a tad at odds with the vision expressed here.

Not to mention the smell near there is extremely foul all the time. I think there is a grease trap run off or something right there.

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Tumbleweed_Tx    1231

no, there's a Dumpster for two restaurants on one block, a Dumpster for two restaurants on another block, and a loading area blocked by the stupidest tree in Houston.

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infinite_jim    912

Off the top of my head, I think the one thing that most pedestrians in downtown would like are bollards to protect them from speeding vechicles. I've seen some things..

A Marshall Fields couldn't hurt either (according to my wife).

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samagon    1995

Off the top of my head, I think the one thing that most pedestrians in downtown would like are bollards to protect them from speeding vechicles. I've seen some things..

A Marshall Fields couldn't hurt either (according to my wife).

I'd rather see trees every few yards, with a few bollards mixed in.

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IronTiger    721

- I can't take that goofy vertical Macy's sign seriously. Unless they actually went the extra mile and made it more like the NYC Macy's (for starters, putting in actual places to eat inside the store, not downsizing), then they probably shouldn't mess with it too much. Want something cool? Change it back to a Foley's.

- I've been to downtown. There are some nice things (the fountains under the light rail are pretty neat), but it's kind of sketchy and not a place to be at night.

- Who are they aiming for? Locals? Tourists?

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Texasota    809

I really don't understand the "downtown is sketchy at night" comments. That hasn't been true for year. It gets a bit dead, but I'm not sure that qualifies as "sketchy."

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