609 Main At Texas

[ChannelTwoNews]

I know there's been some discussion in the past of the site that the Scamrock was planned for, and that Hines had been involved with the site as of late. After stumbling across this page & the rendering included, I was wondering if anyone had additional info on it.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w208/houtosme/HinesNorthTower.jpg

 

Webcam:

 

http://oxblue.com/open/hines/609main

 

Latest Renderings and Info as of 10/2013 :

 

http://hines.com/press/releases/10-24-13.aspx

 

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[Trae]

Nice tower I must say.

[lockmat]

How did you stumble upon that? Nice find!

It seems as if all the buildings listed in their projects section is either already built or in the process of being built. Can anyone confirm that? If so, that's goooood.

I'm just waiting for Niche to say something like, "I won't deny that it's in the works."

Send this over to one of those skyscraper pages so they can count the floors.

edit: my estimate is that it's around or a little over 30 stories.

Edited May 7, 2008 by lockmat

[shasta]

How did you stumble upon that? Nice find!

It seems as if all the buildings listed in their projects section is either already built or in the process of being built. Can anyone confirm that? If so, that's goooood.

I'm just waiting for Niche to say something like, "I won't deny that it's in the works."

Send this over to one of those skyscraper pages so they can count the floors.

edit: my estimate is that it's around or a little over 30 stories.

What happened to the 60 story 'city center' design for that site??

[Trae]

Yeah I just thought about that. This tower is pretty damn short for Downtown (if it is around 30 stories).

[lockmat]

What happened to the 60 story 'city center' design for that site??

My personal opinion is that it was never more than just a fantasy.

Yeah I just thought about that. This tower is pretty damn short for Downtown (if it is around 30 stories).

Not so much. I thought discovery tower and others around it are about that height, aren't they?

[Trae]

Yeah, and I think Discovery Tower and Six Houston Center are too short for Downtown. They belong somewhere like Greenspoint, or the Energy Corridor. I think Discovery Tower gets the edge though, since it is 500 feet.

[editor]

Can someone post a map showing exactly where Block 69 is? This isn't San Jacinto-Rusk-Caroline-Walker block a 30-story tower connected to One Houston Center by a skywalk is planned?

[HtownWxBoy]

I know there's been some discussion in the past of the site that the Scamrock was planned for, and that Hines had been involved with the site as of late. After stumbling across this page & the rendering included, I was wondering if anyone had additional info on it.

Me likey!!

[TheNiche]

Good find, Channel2. You just blew Hines' efforts at confidentiality out of the water.

Lockmat, I'll do more than not deny it; I'll confirm it. This is in the works. Moreover, your opinion that Houston City Centre was just somebody's wet dream is more or less accurate. Somebody was serious about it (albeit only for a very short while); that entity never owned the site or even had it under contract.

As for supertalls, steel has gotten expensive enough as to pretty much rule it out if there's any other alternative, and that site in particular would be challenged by inadquate parking.

[Trae]

Channel2, how the did you find this? Did you just stumble upon the architect's website? Are there any specs for the tower?

[ChannelTwoNews]

Channel2, how the did you find this? Did you just stumble upon the architect's website? Are there any specs for the tower?

Easy, it's on the consulting engineer's website, in their portfolio for LEED Projects, wedged between MainPlace, DT & the Energy Center buildings. Putting the pieces together was pretty easy from there since that spot was mentioned by PAC in the MainPlace thread a while back and it was included in a Jones Lang LaSalle report from last year.

I originally went there just to see what they had on their other projects, since they've had banners up along the street at One Park Place & at HP lately.

Edited May 7, 2008 by ChannelTwoNews

[Triton]

This tower is certainly smaller than both Hines 47 and Discovery Tower.

Check out the square-footage:

Hines 47: 1,000,000 SF

Discovery Tower: 950,000 SF

Hines North Tower: 742,000 SF

[Trae]

I don't think Discovery Tower is that big.

[Triton]

I don't think Discovery Tower is that big.

That does seem rather big, doesn't it? I don't know... that's what that website reported (the one that Channel2 posted).

[ChannelTwoNews]

That does seem rather big, doesn't it? I don't know... that's what that website reported (the one that Channel2 posted).

Nah, I posted the official website on that thread and it says 872k SF.

EDIT: I checked the CBRE page again and it gives 931,209 SF as the total amount, but 871k for the rentable. Kinda missed that. oops.

Edited May 7, 2008 by ChannelTwoNews

[pm91]

this will look great being in close proximity to Mainplace and the older part of downtown that it will look amazing. kind of like if Heritage Plaza wasn't there, Wells Fargo probably wouldn't look as nice. this will make both buildings compliment each other like Heritage Plaza and Wells Fargo.

Edited May 7, 2008 by pm91

[roadrunner]

This will fill a huge whole in Main Street. Once again, I hope this has street level retail. Still no confirmation if Main Place does.

However, I must admit that I was hoping this block would be filled by a residential tower ever since the Shamrock plans were released.

[The Great Hizzy!]

It appears that the proposed dimensions of this unnamed Hines Tower is about 75% of that for Main Place. So we can roughly expect something around 35 stories and between 450 - 480 feet if it comes to fruition.

The bigger issue is that it has decent height and will fill in a prominent void at a high-profile intersection (Texas @ Main).

::Fingers crossed::

[KinkaidAlum]

To be honest, I am not loving this tower. It's a big glass box that MIGHT signal the end of the Texas Tower. I would hate to lose the Texas Tower. I've always held out hope that a residential conversion or hotel conversion would take place there.

Also, I had always hoped that residential would go on this site to compliment the Rice Loft Apts, Capitol Lofts, Hogg Palace, and St Germaine that are in close promximity.

That said, I am all for anything going up in this spot. Let's hope there's enough demand for office space to fill Hines' first tower. Too bad KBR couldn't have been lured to one of these new towers. Their bland 3 story office park around a lake is LAME.

[NewMND]

I love when I log into HAIF like any normal day, and suddenly there is a new downtown tower proposal, it rocks my face off. Anyways, for that location, I think the height is fine, considering it's basically behind Chase Tower. I'd prefer that side of downtown, the more eastern part, to have building more in that 500ft range. Now the west side, and especially the Gateway tract, that's where I want to see building built tall!

[lockmat]

This powerpoint presentation from Frank Muller at Texas A&M (Real Estate Center) had this building in his slides. Page 17. Apparently it was given in February.

Presentation: http://recenter.tamu.edu/speeches/TXDev08FrankMuller.pdf

Real Estate Center: http://recenter.tamu.edu/speeches/1 (scroll down to find the powerpoint link, listed under his name)

[Jax]

It's a larger rendering too and gives us a better idea of the height.

[roadrunner]

To be honest, I am not loving this tower. It's a big glass box that MIGHT signal the end of the Texas Tower. I would hate to lose the Texas Tower. I've always held out hope that a residential conversion or hotel conversion would take place there.

Also, I had always hoped that residential would go on this site to compliment the Rice Loft Apts, Capitol Lofts, Hogg Palace, and St Germaine that are in close promximity.

That said, I am all for anything going up in this spot. Let's hope there's enough demand for office space to fill Hines' first tower. Too bad KBR couldn't have been lured to one of these new towers. Their bland 3 story office park around a lake is LAME.

These are pretty much my thoughts. This looks like a bland Westchase tower thrown into a prime block in a great downtown location. I don't think we are really in a position to complain about filling in surface lots downtown with 30+ story towers, but I'm not that excited about this.

[lockmat]

These are pretty much my thoughts. This looks like a bland Westchase tower thrown into a prime block in a great downtown location. I don't think we are really in a position to complain about filling in surface lots downtown with 30+ story towers, but I'm not that excited about this.

It looks like it's in an L-shape. Besides having 90-degree angles, where else have we seen something like this in Houston @ 30+ stories tall?

I originally went there just to see what they had on their other projects, since they've had banners up along the street at One Park Place & at HP lately.

Got any other links to companies involved in this kind of stuff that we/I could snoop around in?

[roadrunner]

It looks like it's in an L-shape. Besides having 90-degree angles, where else have we seen something like this in Houston @ 30+ stories tall?

Westchase has similar buildings in the 20-30 story range. Same with Greenspoint. It just looks like a suburban office building - boxy glass.

[lockmat]

Westchase has similar buildings in the 20-30 story range. Same with Greenspoint. It just looks like a suburban office building - boxy glass.

I've only been by westchase once, but greenspoint doesn't have any that look like this. Yes, it's square, but it's not a box either. I get what you're saying, I just disagree that it's "typical."

[roadrunner]

I've only been by westchase once, but greenspoint doesn't have any that look like this. Yes, it's square, but it's not a box either. I get what you're saying, I just disagree that it's "typical."

Like I said, I'm not going to complain about this. The only things that bother me are that it isn't residential and that it looks boring compared to Main Place (which isn't really fair since Main Place looks fantastic).

[lockmat]

Like I said, I'm not going to complain about this. The only things that bother me are that it isn't residential and that it looks boring compared to Main Place (which isn't really fair since Main Place looks fantastic).

Maybe this will help spur future residential development. Look at it that way?

[BigSky]

In regards to the old CityCentre Building...I received confirmation that it was a little more than a wetdream...I might be telling soemthing that people already know, but it did involve the Madrian Oriental, Residential component and office component, but I heard that it went bust when they couldn't close on any major corporation signing a lease for the office component.

Anyway, I guess this will do for know, but I wish the CityCentre concept would have come to life...There are many open blocks around Discovery Green and Houston Pavilions so I am holding out hope for another Residential project to come online once OnePark Place sells out.