[Subdude]

sevfiv, on Thursday, February 12th, 2009 @ 12:43pm, said:

Well, looks like Sagemont beat em to it - 170 ft cross (originally to be 190 ft) is at the corner of 45 and 8.

In the article, Booth was quoted as well:

"With all these billboards and adult entertainment places out here, we at Grace Community decided a cross would be perfect for Houstonians," Pastor Garrett Booth said.



http://www.click2hou...3/detail.html#-

Oh my.

The renderings early in this topic included a kind of visitors pavilion and giant globe at the base! Where'd they go? These things really do need observation platforms on top.

[RedScare]

Subdude, on Thursday, February 12th, 2009 @ 11:45pm, said:

Oh my.

The renderings early in this topic included a kind of visitors pavilion and giant globe at the base! Where'd they go? These things really do need observation platforms on top.

This is a DIFFERENT church with a DIFFERENT cross. Grace still wants to build their TWO crosses...no doubt taller than 170 feet.

[jfre81]

I bet from an airplane we'll look like a gigantic graveyard with all these crosses sticking out of the ground. Just beautiful.

[Pumapayam]

RedScare, on Friday, February 13th, 2009 @ 12:54am, said:

This is a DIFFERENT church with a DIFFERENT cross. Grace still wants to build their TWO crosses...no doubt taller than 170 feet.

Their are going to be 150' tall, unless they want to be petty and change plans.

[Fringe]

20thStDad, on Thursday, February 12th, 2009 @ 2:46pm, said:

I don't mind the visual blight. Monuments to things are interesting. What bothers me is that this church decided that it was better to spend tons of money on this rather than feeding or clothing some poor people. Let's me know what that group is really all about.

Because it's a business. A tax free one at that. 

[kylejack]

Church with the tallest crosses gets into Heaven first, I'm pretty sure this is spelled out in the book of Luke.

[RedScare]

Pumapayam, on Friday, February 13th, 2009 @ 9:19am, said:

Their are going to be 150' tall, unless they want to be petty and change plans.

So how tall do you think they will be?

[SkyEye]

musicman, on Thursday, July 10th, 2008 @ 10:08am, said:

article from today's chron

This is a joke right????

[infinite_jim]

Neo-kitsch

I'm thinking "the giant cross against the city, the mega church against the world..."

[kylejack]

Every Christmas they need to nail a giant plaster Jesus with a pained look on his face to the cross with some fountain effects squirting fake blood on the masses below.

[bachanon]

the issue of huge crosses to "mark" houston for jesus cracks me up. in the early eighties i was at oral roberts university. there were tv evangelists sending out crosses as a "point of contact" a "reminder" of who you were. many of these ministries were built by good people with small world views.

i'm reminded of a couple songs by daniel amos, a subversive christian band who railed against "symbolism over substance" and the inherent narcissism in most christian ministries through satire.





building huge crosses is about advertising how "christian" grace community church is rather than actual ministry. not much has changed (since the eighties) for many of these folks.

[BryanS]

I drove by the Sagemont cross last night... I don't think it’s that bad, really, now that I see it. So I'm not a hater anymore. I thought these kinds of displays would be gaudy and kind of over the top... but the cross was to the correct proportion and was well light. I think the AMC 30 across the street from it is more of a visual blight than this cross, as well as all the power lines running up and down B-8.

...and as I was passing by... I kept thinking... "ok... what would the Star of David look like... that big? ... what about a huge crescent moon? that big?" Mostly trying to figure out the engineering in my head on how to make those other symbols that large. The cross is the easiest to make, the others would be a little bit more of challenge.

...now... if they start putting advertisements on it... different story.

[Gary]

kylejack, on Friday, February 13th, 2009 @ 5:03pm, said:

Every Christmas they need to nail a giant plaster Jesus with a pained look on his face to the cross with some fountain effects squirting fake blood on the masses below.

Regardless of whether you like the crosses, that statement is just wrong.

[bachanon]

Gary, on Sunday, February 15th, 2009 @ 5:37pm, said:

Regardless of whether you like the crosses, that statement is just wrong.

sorry, i must disagree. if the christian community wants to cheapen their faith by ridiculous symbols over substance, ridicule and cheap shots should be expected. like begets like. cheesy crosses require ugly responses. if god's work is nothing more than a symbol of "marked territory", no one should be amazed that people of little faith disregard these "symbols". good intentions are not action. building a symbol of christ's death does nothing for the person dying of cancer or losing their career. loving one's neighbor as one loves their own family does more for the soul than a hundred big ass crosses. work where you are. love those near to you. quit building pagan symbols that have nothing to do with real spirituality.

[BryanS]

bachanon, on Sunday, February 15th, 2009 @ 6:14pm, said:

sorry, i must disagree. if the christian community wants to cheapen their faith by ridiculous symbols over substance, ridicule and cheap shots should be expected. like begets like. cheesy crosses require ugly responses. if god's work is nothing more than a symbol of "marked territory", no one should be amazed that people of little faith disregard these "symbols". good intentions are not action. building a symbol of christ's death does nothing for the person dying of cancer or losing their career. loving one's neighbor as one loves their own family does more for the soul than a hundred big ass crosses. stupid, dumb ass, christians. work where you are. love those near to you. quit building pagan symbols that have nothing to do with real spirituality.

This used to be my line of reasoning... until I drove by it. They built it in a day (or two at most), quickly. And probably didn't spend that much, compared to their budget, to build it. Had it taken months of slave labor, building to the sky a monument of stone, hand chiseled, so high that airplanes flying into Hobby were forced to fly around it... you could argue many of your points.

But they built it in a day, using inexpensive methods/materials. And it looks better than the AMC 30. I don't know what else to say. It "goes" with their church.

My disagreement with Christianity is not so much the symbols of it... but the teachings/beliefs/blind/ignorant followers hypocritical leaders. That's where the problem is, for many (not all) Christian denominations.

Kinda like this man:



Look familiar? You've probably seen him on TV. His 29-year old son was caught in a have-sex-in-the-park police sting, up in Dallas. http://www.dallasvoi...ticle_10636.php. Not that I agree with those entrapment stings... but anyway...

This post has been edited by BryanS: Sunday, February 15, 2009 at 8:13 PM

[kylejack]

BryanS, on Sunday, February 15th, 2009 @ 9:11pm, said:

But they built it in a day, using inexpensive methods/materials. And it looks better than the AMC 30. I don't know what else to say. It "goes" with their church.

Thou shalt construct for me an idol to My Greatness, and thou shalt ensure that it rivals the greatness of the local cineplexes. The comparative height of thy idol to local businesses shall determine thy rank in Heaven. I sent my Son to Earth to live in poverty and preach My message that thou might learn My lessons and construct decadent monuments to My Greatness. Remember, much like taking the punishment for your sin the Son practiced humility so that you don't have to!

[RedScare]

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This used to be my line of reasoning... until I drove by it. They built it in a day (or two at most), quickly. And probably didn't spend that much, compared to their budget, to build it. Had it taken months of slave labor, building to the sky a monument of stone, hand chiseled, so high that airplanes flying into Hobby were forced to fly around it... you could argue many of your points.

But they built it in a day, using inexpensive methods/materials. And it looks better than the AMC 30. I don't know what else to say. It "goes" with their church.

The cheapness of the monument makes it OK? Is this what happens to one's logic when they've bought one too many cheap plastic items from Walmart?

[BryanS]

RedScare, on Sunday, February 15th, 2009 @ 9:17pm, said:

The cheapness of the monument makes it OK? Is this what happens to one's logic when they've bought one too many cheap plastic items from Walmart?

There's a difference between cheap and inexpensive. I didn't say cheap. I said inexpensive. Target has inexpensive items. Wal-mart has cheap items.

It would be hard for them to defend spending millions of dollars on a monument and not supporting charities, and giving, helping heal the world, etc. They're still doing that... and had enough left over to build a cross for their church.

Also... even though 170 to 200 feet seems "big" ... not as big as you think. As I said, it would be different story had they made it out of granite, towering 500 feet into the air, forcing air traffic diversions... but that's not what they did...

Drive by it. I did. I told myself: "I'm supposed to be angry at this! .... " but I just didn't feel anger. I don't know what else to say.

[RedScare]

Good to know that the world's poverty, hunger, pain and suffering has been alleviated, leaving funds available to build an inexpensive idol.

[musicman]

it was part of the spendulus package.

[kylejack]

BryanS, on Sunday, February 15th, 2009 @ 11:51pm, said:

There's a difference between cheap and inexpensive. I didn't say cheap. I said inexpensive. Target has inexpensive items. Wal-mart has cheap items.

It would be hard for them to defend spending millions of dollars on a monument and not supporting charities, and giving, helping heal the world, etc. They're still doing that... and had enough left over to build a cross for their church.

Also... even though 170 to 200 feet seems "big" ... not as big as you think. As I said, it would be different story had they made it out of granite, towering 500 feet into the air, forcing air traffic diversions... but that's not what they did...

Drive by it. I did. I told myself: "I'm supposed to be angry at this! .... " but I just didn't feel anger. I don't know what else to say.

[Citation needed] What was the price, including permits from the COH and FAA? If you don't know, how can you say how inexpensive it was?

[BryanS]

RedScare, on Sunday, February 15th, 2009 @ 10:13pm, said:

Good to know that the world's poverty, hunger, pain and suffering has been alleviated, leaving funds available to build an inexpensive idol.

But is it? Would you not consider it part of their church? Kinda like their building? And their parking lot? Or should have they have to sit out in the middle of a field and walk to church barefoot in order to lend any credence to them alleviating the world's poverty, hunger, pain, and suffering?

kylejack, on Sunday, February 15th, 2009 @ 11:06pm, said:

[Citation needed] What was the price, including permits from the COH and FAA? If you don't know, how can you say how inexpensive it was?

You should go to church. And ask them.

[kylejack]

BryanS, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 1:22am, said:

But is it? Would you not consider it part of their church? Kinda like their building? And their parking lot? Or should have they have to sit out in the middle of a field and walk to church barefoot in order to lend any credence to them alleviating the world's poverty, hunger, pain, and suffering?

In a word, YES.

¹⁷As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" ¹⁸"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. ¹⁹You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'"

²⁰"Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy."

²¹Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

²²At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

²³Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!"

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You should go to church. And ask them.

You're the one saying how inexpensive it was. I know for a fact that such would cost them thousands of dollars that could be used to feed the poor, to minister to the dejected.

[skyphen]

A bit confused, as usual. Is the cross posted in the picture (plain white cross near the Beltway) the same as the one talked about in the original post? What happened to the globe and arches under it?

[musicman]

skyphen, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 7:57am, said:

A bit confused, as usual. Is the cross posted in the picture (plain white cross near the Beltway) the same as the one talked about in the original post? What happened to the globe and arches under it?

different cross, different church

[skyphen]

musicman, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 8:02am, said:

different cross, different church

Ah. So Grace Community is the church with two campuses, north and south, and the 150 ft cross with globe combo. Does anyone know the name of the ginormous plain white cross church?

[musicman]

skyphen, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 8:20am, said:

Ah. So Grace Community is the church with two campuses, north and south, and the 150 ft cross with globe combo. Does anyone know the name of the ginormous plain white cross church?

check out the top of page 4 earlier in this thread

This post has been edited by musicman: Monday, February 16, 2009 at 9:27 AM

[skyphen]

Thanks! They have a blog about the construction of the cross on their website. They call it the Living Proof Project. http://sagemontblog....m/living-proof/

[BryanS]

kylejack, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 6:42am, said:

In a word, YES.

¹⁷As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" ¹⁸"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. ¹⁹You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'"

²⁰"Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy."

²¹Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

²²At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

²³Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!"

You're the one saying how inexpensive it was. I know for a fact that such would cost them thousands of dollars that could be used to feed the poor, to minister to the dejected.

I would gather to say that people of Sagemont church have different view. You'll never convince anyone, on any issue, for or against, quoting or interpreting scripture. ...and by the looks of their web site... and what they've spent money on, over the past 30 years... I would say it was probably a drop in the bucket for them.

Maybe, due to this “small” monetary investment (as compared to their budget; they’re spending millions in $$$ on other facilities - cash), they would have attracted more members, not only paying for the cross, but adding, even more money, to give to humanitarian causes! So it pays for itself and it feeds more of the poor!

[RedScare]

BryanS, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 11:39am, said:

I would gather to say that people of Sagemont church have different view. You'll never convince anyone, on any issue, for or against, quoting or interpreting scripture. ...and by the looks of their web site... and what they've spent money on, over the past 30 years... I would say it was probably a drop in the bucket for them.

Maybe, due to this “small” monetary investment (as compared to their budget; they’re spending millions in $$$ on other facilities - cash), they would have attracted more members, not only paying for the cross, but adding, even more money, to give to humanitarian causes! So it pays for itself and it feeds more of the poor!

I'm tempted to keep egging you on, as each of your posts is better than the last. But, alas, I have tired of commenting on the pagan idols of the baptists. Lucky for you...and for me...you live down there, and I do not. So, you can be awed by the idol, yet it will not even "cross" my mind. Sounds like a win-win.

[BryanS]

RedScare, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 11:44am, said:

I'm tempted to keep egging you on, as each of your posts is better than the last. But, alas, I have tired of commenting on the pagan idols of the baptists. Lucky for you...and for me...you live down there, and I do not. So, you can be awed by the idol, yet it will not even "cross" my mind. Sounds like a win-win.

Like I said... I had views exactly like yours... I was supposed to be disgusted by such a gratuitous display... but the dislike/anger just wasn't there. Their church sits on 25+ acres. Cross is not so big, when you take that into account... All I said when I drove by it was: Wow! ... not Wow! I hate it! or Wow! I love it! ... just indifferent to it.

[kylejack]

BryanS, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 1:39pm, said:

Maybe, due to this "small" monetary investment (as compared to their budget; they're spending millions in $$ on other facilities - cash), they would have attracted more members, not only paying for the cross, but adding, even more money, to give to humanitarian causes! So it pays for itself and it feeds more of the poor!

You know, I like our church, but I really just don't feel that this church's cross is big enough. I'm going to go become a member at Sagemont instead. Now those are some guys who really know how to build a cross.

This is the line of reasoning that you're using to say that a big cross will bring in new members and revenue streams?

[Pumapayam]

It matches the power lines in the background. . .

[BryanS]

kylejack, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 11:50am, said:

You know, I like our church, but I really just don't feel that this church's cross is big enough. I'm going to go become a member at Sagemont instead. Now those are some guys who really know how to build a cross.

This is the line of reasoning that you're using to say that a big cross will bring in new members and revenue streams?

As strange as it seems... it probably will... the mega-church business is a business. Sagemont launched a sneak attack on Grace... and now they will get the spoils of this "big" competition...

I'm not saying I agree with these churches. I differ with their philosophy, not what they build in their front yard...

By the way... have you driven by it or not? I know its at B-8 and 45... I know your types might need to pack a sack lunch for that kind of travel outside of 610... but have you driven by it? I was a hater of the idea of big crosses... until I drove by and saw it really wasn't that bad.

[kylejack]

The pictures are plenty, and the Grace one looks far more decadent.

[Gary]

bachanon, on Sunday, February 15th, 2009 @ 6:14pm, said:

sorry, i must disagree. if the christian community wants to cheapen their faith by ridiculous symbols over substance, ridicule and cheap shots should be expected. like begets like. cheesy crosses require ugly responses. if god's work is nothing more than a symbol of "marked territory", no one should be amazed that people of little faith disregard these "symbols". good intentions are not action. building a symbol of christ's death does nothing for the person dying of cancer or losing their career. loving one's neighbor as one loves their own family does more for the soul than a hundred big ass crosses. stupid, dumb ass, christians. work where you are. love those near to you. quit building pagan symbols that have nothing to do with real spirituality.

Why is the cross a rediculous symbol of faith? And how do you know that the church doesn't have substance with it's giving? Your talking about something that your clearly biased about, and YOUR argument is the one with little substance, at least until you can provide me with numbers on giving by the church. You and others here deem the cross rediculous, or call it cheesy, while others in the community may not. Maybe it gives certain individuals hope which in turn brings them to a point of giving. Maybe it gives some the inspiration to be a better person, which in turn causes them to visit the sick. And maybe, just Maybe the people wanted a portion of their giving to go to the cross, and maybe for reasons you don't understand. So To say that it's ok to mock the person that many believe is the Messiah, when you don't know the personal motivation, is wrong, period.

Why do you automatically assume that Christians are not taking care of they're faith at home when they decide they want to put a cross up? I don't care how many you know that don't live the life, which is the common answer. How do you know that this particular church doesn't live according to their beliefs? Also, Even if they're crooks, and idots, that doesn't mean that Jesus isn't who he claimed to be, and if he is, then mocking him with such offense is pretty scary. Of course you sound like your mind is already made up about that, so it's probably a pointless statement on my end.

Finally, I can't believe that a moderator is allowed to use such offensive terms like "stupid dumb ass Christians". This forum, which I used to enjoy very much, has become a haven for badmouthing Christianity, conservatism, and is filled with smart ass comentators that I can bet wouldn't say much of this while in the same room with me.

Forgive me for being this bold Wayne, but continuing to allow this kind of stuff on an architectural forum is beyond me. At this point I will no longer post at HAIF, which I'm sure will devastate many. NOT!

EDIT: Cue Red's rant...

This post has been edited by Gary: Monday, February 16, 2009 at 1:28 PM

[kylejack]

I was going to kill myself, but then I saw the giant cross and realized there was hope after all. The cross saved my life!

[RedScare]

If you are going to advocate censorship of those views with which you disagree, I say good riddance.


(yes, I'll say it to your face as well).

[kylejack]

Gary, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 2:24pm, said:

Finally, I can't believe that a moderator is allowed to use such offensive terms like "stupid dumb ass Christians". This forum, which I used to enjoy very much, has become a haven for badmouthing Christianity, conservatism, and is filled with smart ass comentators that I can bet wouldn't say much of this while in the same room with me.

Turn the other cheek, pal.

[Gary]

RedScare, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 12:30pm, said:

If you are going to advocate censorship of those views with which you disagree, I say good riddance.


(yes, I'll say it to your face as well).

Cencorship? It's called having a little class, and not being a constant anti Christian prick. You might want to take a look at your own signature to see what I'm talking about.

Red, you and your little click have fun. Oh, and I play around town all the time (Continental, etc), so come on by and say hey, and we'll have that conversation face to face. Just check my website for dates. Or you can PM me, and we can do it that way.

kylejack, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 12:33pm, said:

Turn the other cheek, pal.

For what? I never said I was a Christian.

This post has been edited by Gary: Monday, February 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM

[kylejack]

Gary, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 2:59pm, said:

For what? I never said I was a Christian.

Then why do you care if people badmouth Christianity? Or stamp collecting, or the color purple?

This post has been edited by kylejack: Monday, February 16, 2009 at 2:06 PM

[bachanon]

kylejack, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 12:33pm, said:

Turn the other cheek, pal.

perhaps i should have made it clear that i consider myself "christian". when i denounce wrong behaviour of christians, i'm including myself. what good does it do to build huge ass freakin' crosses? donate to habitat for humanity or aids relief in africa. there are a hundred different ways to do god's work rather than waste money on a symbol. i'm worked up because of ridiculous crap people come up with who call themselves followers of christ.

i apologize for name calling. it is simply because i hate to be tied to people who do dumb stuff. i will edit my statement.

[Gary]

bachanon, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 1:04pm, said:

perhaps i should have made it clear that i consider myself "christian". when i denounce wrong behaviour of christians, i'm including myself. what good does it do to build huge ass freakin' crosses? donate to habitat for humanity or aids relief in africa. there are a hundred different ways to do god's work rather than waste money on a symbol. i'm worked up because of ridiculous crap people come up with who call themselves followers of christ.

i apologize for name calling. it is simply because i hate to be tied to people who do dumb stuff. i will edit my statement.

Again, your making huge assumptions of what that cross may mean to others, which in turn may spur more good than you think.

I'm out.

This post has been edited by Gary: Monday, February 16, 2009 at 2:10 PM

[bachanon]

Gary, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 1:09pm, said:

Again, your making huge assumptions of what that cross may mean to others, which in turn may spur more good than you think.

I'm out.

once again gary, good intention is not action. i have an emotional reaction when i see a cross. this is not reality. it is learned behaviour. living the "cross" is being available to neighbors or family members in need. if someone needs a giant cross to get them motivated, they don't get it. sorry, genuine people don't need waste of money motivators.

i feel we have the same motives, gary. however, i do not hold dear church culture. i apologize for offending you.

[TheNiche]

Gary, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 12:59pm, said:

Cencorship? It's called having a little class, and not being a constant anti Christian prick.

FWIW, I agree with you that a lot of the guys on here are too quick to generalize and dismiss all Christians. The fact is that they come in all flavors. Some are annoying as hell, yet some are great people to know. Some can be both! Some of them would utilize any tools at their disposal to force their religion on others, yet many are grateful for the form of government that we have, including that there is a separation of church and state. Many are confused or misguided, many are quite settled on their beliefs and are on the straight and narrow.

I am not Christian, and reject the notion that the Bible should be read literally (I'd have been struck by lightning soooo many times by now if it were). But even among people that do try to read the Bible literally, it provides many of them structure and a kind of satisfaction that they wouldn't otherwise have. I will forever fight any attempt on anybody's part to force that belief system upon me, but I don't begrudge them their own spirituality. In fact, it pleases me that they are happy with it...their happiness is more enjoyable than the alternative.

This post has been edited by TheNiche: Monday, February 16, 2009 at 3:20 PM

[totheskies]

Gary, on Monday, February 16th, 2009 @ 12:24pm, said:

Why do you automatically assume that Christians are not taking care of they're faith at home when they decide they want to put a cross up? I don't care how many you know that don't live the life, which is the common answer. How do you know that this particular church doesn't live according to their beliefs? Also, Even if they're crooks, and idots, that doesn't mean that Jesus isn't who he claimed to be, and if he is, then mocking him with such offense is pretty scary. Of course you sound like your mind is already made up about that, so it's probably a pointless statement on my end.

Finally, I can't believe that a moderator is allowed to use such offensive terms like "stupid dumb ass Christians". This forum, which I used to enjoy very much, has become a haven for badmouthing Christianity, conservatism, and is filled with smart ass comentators that I can bet wouldn't say much of this while in the same room with me.

I guess I'm just thoroughly confused about what you're trying to say here... is it better that one mock Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, or some other faith besides Christianity? Your view is one-sided. And you seem to be showing a close-mindedness of your own that my Bible (and any of the versions that I have owned) don't display or teach within. I'm offended when someone insults Christianity, but I would rather speak to them and use that as an opportunity to change or refine their views, than immediately point the finger in reprimand. That whole "holier-than-thou" stuff is what's harming Christianity in the first place.

As a fellow "stupid dum-ass Christian", I have no objection to Grace's cross... nor would I support it. That money could easily go to something else. And I agree that the likelihood that an outward and all-too visible sign of one's faith has little or nothing to do with that tasks that that faith is supposed to accomplish. Being Christian is about being a follower of Christ, and a servant to others. This cross, which IMO achieves neither of these purposes, may as well be the suringe antennae at the Medical Center. It'll be tall, it'll be pointy, and people are probably going to look at it as they zoom by in their cars.

[sevfiv]

The Sagemont one isn't the huge beacon I thought it was going to be from 45, but it's still...huge:

[sevfiv]

Does anyone know the cost of the Sagemont cross? The Effingham cross (28ft taller) was apparently around $1,000,000 and is made of 180 (?) tons of steel - Sagemont's is only 90 tons though.

The only financial stuff I could find about anything wasn't about the cross, but was kind of...interesting:


-The debt was paid in 14 months; and just a few months later, 300 families gave their total income for 40 days to the Lord – over $1,000,000 was given to start building a new auditorium. As the building was built, another $1,500,000 was given to complete the new auditorium

-If the church needed space, the Lord would provide. Theaters, a grocery store building, and a drug store building were acquired in very unique ways. When the church desperately needed more land, 25 acres were purchased for $1,060,000 cash in 13 weeks; and then 25 adjoining acres were given to the church from the estate of Mr. Harry Holmes by his wife, Carolyn.

-A $12,500,000 Children’s Building and parking expansion was paid for in cash. God met the need, and missions kept growing.

-In the program known as the “Living Proof Project,” we are once again seeing God work miracles in the lives of Sagemont families as He provides the $25 million needed to complete the buildings.

[editor]

Keep this on topic, people. This thread is about the crosses, not about the validity of religion or debating particular kinds of religion.

[Vertigo58]

editor, on Friday, February 27th, 2009 @ 7:31am, said:

Keep this on topic, people. This thread is about the crosses, not about the validity of religion or debating particular kinds of religion.

Amen to that.


By the way they just aired the dedication on the news minutes ago. Man, that thing is dangerously, way too big. Wonder how deep in the ground the beams went?

The old saying "The bigger they are the harder they fall". This is over the top.