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Subdude    1285

Has anyone seen the 2008 Honda Accord? In pictures it comes off as kind of ugly and loaded with styling cliches. Why have they turned the Accord into such a boat? I guess it is the first law of car manufacturing that for some reason, each generation needs to be bigger than the last.

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jm1fd    1

I think the new Accord coupe is an attractive car. Too bad they aren't putting RWD or AWD underneath it. FWD sucks.

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Subdude    1285

Saying "FWD sucks" seems to overstate matters imo. It really depends on the type of car you need. Sure the fwd handling isn't as good, but on the other hand fwd cars are more efficient, allow a smaller package, and are less prone to slipping in snow & ice (not that the latter is a major consideration in Houston). Me, I just like driving smaller vehicles.

Et voici le coup

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gwilson    9

I held the same opinion of the new Accord until 2:36PM yesterday afternoon. I saw one driving down Westheimer in silver paint. It is a pretty decent looking vehicle. It does look larger, but not in a bad way. It looks more adequate.

I still would take my Avalon over the Accord any day of the week, but it was definitely better than the previous generations.

EDIT:

The coupe is the sexiest coupe to come out of Japan in a while. Definitely better than the Solara and anything Nissan makes.

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Subdude    1285
The coupe is the sexiest coupe to come out of Japan in a while. Definitely better than the Solara and anything Nissan makes.

I've always thought the Solara was fugly. From what I understand it is going to be discontinued.

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gwilson    9

It isn't a sexy vehicle, but it is a nice car. I've had one as a loaner a couple times, both times it was a vert as well. It is certainly nicer than other large verts in that price range.

My understanding is that it is going to undergo a major redesign and release under a new badge (my guess is an Avalon Couple or something of the like).

I know I'm glad I bought my Avalon though. I test drive every large sedan between 25 and 65k and the Avalon outdid them all. It was the best mix of luxury, looks, comfort, features, technology, power, interior styling and features and Toyota reliability didn't hurt.

I was once meeting with a homeowner with the owner of the company I was contracting for. He was driving a brand new S550 Benz and I was in my Avalon. Parked next to each other, they look very similar. The owner (a player for the Rockets) passed up his Benz and hopped in my Avalon and started playing with stuff. The best part was how ticked off the owner of the company was.

The new release I'm looking forward to the most is the redesigned Sequoia. I imagine it will take on the new Tundra's exterior and interior styling but with a bit more luxury. This sounds perfect to me.

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Jeebus    87
I was once meeting with a homeowner with the owner of the company I was contracting for. He was driving a brand new S550 Benz and I was in my Avalon. Parked next to each other, they look very similar. The owner (a player for the Rockets) passed up his Benz and hopped in my Avalon and started playing with stuff. The best part was how ticked off the owner of the company was.

Mistaking a Toyota for a Benz? That doesn't say much for that college educated Rocket does it?

FWIW, I'm dissapointed in the Accords. They are starting to look too American.

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gwilson    9
Mistaking a Toyota for a Benz? That doesn't say much for that college educated Rocket does it?

FWIW, I'm dissapointed in the Accords. They are starting to look too American.

...or it could be saying a lot for the Avalon.

The new S-Class is an extremely nice car. It is light years ahead of its predecessors. It is a great looking, very technologically advanced vehicle that is extremely luxurious to boot. If I was looking to drop $140k on a luxury super-sedan, the S63 would be on my list damn near, if not at, the top.

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jm1fd    1
Saying "FWD sucks" seems to overstate matters imo. It really depends on the type of car you need. Sure the fwd handling isn't as good, but on the other hand fwd cars are more efficient, allow a smaller package, and are less prone to slipping in snow & ice (not that the latter is a major consideration in Houston). Me, I just like driving smaller vehicles.

More efficient than RWD? How so?

Smaller package? How so?

AWD is even less prone to slippage in snow and ice than FWD.

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gwilson    9

The concept that FWD is more efficient than RWD is outdated. Now they are starting to put 300+hp engines in FWD cars. So long as the gear boxes can handle the power, there is nothing wrong with this either.

FWD has it's advantages for handling as well (less oversteer, car pulls you to where you want to go, etc). RWD is more fun, that's for sure.

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flipper    9

I'm definetly not feeling the 4 door accord. I hope the 09 Acura TL doesn't take any inspiration from it.

flipper

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gwilson    9
I'm definetly not feeling the 4 door accord. I hope the 09 Acura TL doesn't take any inspiration from it.

flipper

I looked at the RL and was REALLY disappointed with it. It is a very nice car, but so boring. They could have tried harder.

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flipper    9
I looked at the RL and was REALLY disappointed with it. It is a very nice car, but so boring. They could have tried harder.

The RL is really supposed to more boring than not. The TL is more in line with your demographic I reckon. Especially the 07/08 Type-S.

10k miles on our 07 and no complaints so far!

flipper

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gwilson    9
The RL is really supposed to more boring than not. The TL is more in line with your demographic I reckon. Especially the 07/08 Type-S.

10k miles on our 07 and no complaints so far!

flipper

But the TL is small. The RL is in the same size range as the Avalon, LS, S-Class, A8, (swb models respectively), 300 Chrysler, etc. The TL is more in the E-Class/CLS, GS, A6 range.

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TJones    39
The concept that FWD is more efficient than RWD is outdated. Now they are starting to put 300+hp engines in FWD cars. So long as the gear boxes can handle the power, there is nothing wrong with this either.

FWD has it's advantages for handling as well (less oversteer, car pulls you to where you want to go, etc). RWD is more fun, that's for sure.

Yep, nothing like some good ol' "torque steer" to throw you into a ditch, huh ?

I'm just saying, I can't recall seeing a whole heck of alot of FWD racecars out there.

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Subdude    1285
I'm definetly not feeling the 4 door accord. I hope the 09 Acura TL doesn't take any inspiration from it.

flipper

The TL is what is sold as the Accord in the rest of the world, so I think Honda will have to resist the temptation to make it too large or unwieldy.

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Subdude    1285
B-O-R-I-N-G!

Looks like a Camry to me.

Well I suspect that is the whole point. Accords and Camrys are competing for the same market.

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More efficient than RWD? How so?

Smaller package? How so?

AWD is even less prone to slippage in snow and ice than FWD.

FWD became popular back in the 80's because it enabled cars to become smaller. Being able to turn the V6 engine 90 degrees and have it run laterally in the engine bay powering the front wheels created a much tighter drivetrain 'package'. Not having a driveshaft tunnel running down the middle of the car, also allowed a larger interior in an otherwise smaller overall car. A lighter and smaller car can be powered by a lighter and smaller engine, which is why FWD cars were deemed more efficient. Even today, that holds true for the majority of FWD platforms.

FWD also enjoys the benefit of having a large percentage of the car weight, usually greater than 60% over the drive wheels, which naturally give it better traction in the slippery stuff. Certainly, AWD is better, but after driving a RWD Miata, and a FWD Accord in the snowy mountains of WV, I can assure you, that FWD is all you need, whereas the Miata would stay in the driveway as it was useless in any snow.

To correct some other posters erroneous statements, FWD cars do not have less understeer than RWD cars. In fact, FWD cars only have understeer. Once you hit the limit in a FWD car and start to understeer, there is nothing you can do to correct the path, the car will continue to push until the speed is brought down to a point that grip is again gained.

On a RWD car, if understeer is encountered, one can use the throttle to induce oversteer, thereby correcting the issue. Therefore, a RDW car would have less understeer than a FWD car.

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