The New Juniper Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Just testing the pulse of those "in the know" Edit: The W proposal for Uptown (Either BLVD Place or High Street.) Designed by Heights Venture Architects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 i guess i don't understand what makes this special. i stayed in one in new orleans and it was nice but nothing to get excited over. i think the zaazaa one is nicer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachanon Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 there is a rumor that waterway square in the woodlands will have a W hotel. i do not know if this means that the development company is courting W hotels or that W hotels are interested in placing one here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatieDidIt Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 I'd say it would do well in Uptown if they can find a patch of land. I really don't think its that special of a hotel either.PS, I thought it was set for Allen Plaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 i guess i don't understand what makes this special. i stayed in one in new orleans and it was nice but nothing to get excited over. i think the zaazaa one is nicer.I would have to echo this. Is there something special about W hotels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 just testing the pulse of those "in the know"I thought you were "in the know". What is your pulse on this question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The New Juniper Posted June 13, 2007 Author Share Posted June 13, 2007 I thought you were "in the know". What is your pulse on this question?I am in the know:) However, i'm not the only one. There is a multitude of information floating around and I am told they haven't commited anywhere yet. But, they are searching for a "home". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 I am in the know:) However, i'm not the only one. There is a multitude of information floating around and I am told they haven't commited anywhere yet. But, they are searching for a "home".So, what's your pulse? Which one did you vote for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchitecturalPRGirl Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 I would be shocked if they put it out in the Woodlands. That wouldn't work. Galleria/Highland. The Derek sucks and everyone knows it. They've got some tough competition with Zaza, even though it's not in the Galleria area. The thing about W is it's known and interntational which many people who come to Houston (i.e. from Mexico, etc) are going to the Galleria and want to stay over there. Maybe they will revamp the old Galleria Westin and make it a W. That hotel is old and dingy. That's my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 The W?starwood hotels?Is this it? http://www.starwoodhotels.com/whotels/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston-development Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 I am in the know:) However, i'm not the only one. There is a multitude of information floating around and I am told they haven't commited anywhere yet. But, they are searching for a "home". i can confirm this, for what its worth. they havent committed anywhere just yet but have narrowed it down to a select few sites. edited to add: ill vote later, so it wont be as obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 they havent committed anywhere just yet but have narrowed it down to a select few sites.That was my understanding as well. Not a matter of if, but when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethanra Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 2 people really voted "Houston can't support a W". If someone really feels that way, I would like to know why they falsely think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasArchitect Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 hmmm, where will it fall?? highland village is said to be getting a hotel.... blvd place, they r taking forever due to the tenants buuut.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Why not try and get a Peninsula Hotel. They only have three hotels in the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Hizzy! Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 2 people really voted "Houston can't support a W". If someone really feels that way, I would like to know why they falsely think that?There are a couple of jokers on here who can't get out of Houston fast enough and can't be taken all that seriously.As for the poll question, I tend to think Uptown/Galleria before anywhere else, simply because of the current demographics and amenities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 My total outsider guess would be the River Oaks District.I think Wulfe has "higher" aspirations for BLVD Place like the Ritz-Carlton. San Felipe @ Post Oak would be close enough to lure River Oaksers and Tanglewoodians out of their homes and into a Ritz-Carlton condo development complete with the works (access to house cleaning, concierge services, room service, etc...). I am not sure if that same market would be as enticed by a W-Hotel and condos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToryGattis Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 W would be nice, but what would be really sweet would be a Mandarin Oriental. Got married at one in Hawaii, and they are *amazing*. Right now in the US I think they are only in NY, DC, SF, and Miami. Their web site says they're adding Boston, Chicago, Vegas, and Dallas. If Dallas can support it, we definitely can too. Heck of a lot more international business here, and they have the international reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNiche Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 W would be nice, but what would be really sweet would be a Mandarin Oriental. Got married at one in Hawaii, and they are *amazing*. Right now in the US I think they are only in NY, DC, SF, and Miami. Their web site says they're adding Boston, Chicago, Vegas, and Dallas. If Dallas can support it, we definitely can too. Heck of a lot more international business here, and they have the international reputation. You might just be on to something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 If the point is getting a super-prestigioius hotel, Pensinsula would have to be the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 You might just be on to something... But the Mandarin is going downtown, isn't it, Niche? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchitecturalPRGirl Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 But the Mandarin is going downtown, isn't it, Niche?Mandarin will go to Vegas way before it will ever be here. We will be bottom of the tothem poll on that one. Peninsula too. The W we can accomodate I'm pretty sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapillionWyngs Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 2 people really voted "Houston can't support a W". If someone really feels that way, I would like to know why they falsely think that?We couldn't support a Ritz Carlton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highway6 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 We couldn't support a Ritz Carlton!We did for years and years... why did that hotel change owners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trae Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 That Houston City Centre development looks like a Mandarin though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 We couldn't support a Ritz Carlton!We did for years. They had some serious management/ownership problems. That hotel is now the St. Regis (comparable quality) and seems to be doing just fine. There is absolutely no reason to think Houston could not support a Ritz-Carlton again.Mandarin will go to Vegas way before it will ever be here. We will be bottom of the tothem poll on that one. Peninsula too. The W we can accomodate I'm pretty sure.Quite the crystal ball you have there, considering the Las Vegas Mandarin Oriental is already under development and scheduled to open in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchitecturalPRGirl Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 We couldn't support a Ritz Carlton!What rock are you living under? I did some PR for them way back when. Not sure why it changed to Luxury Hotel then St. Regis. None of the other ones have done that. The restaurant is still pretty good there, particularly Sunday brunch but the hotel and rooms are old. There are better, newer, cooler places to stay now. Besides the hooker factor:) haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapillionWyngs Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 What rock are you living under? I did some PR for them way back when. Not sure why it changed to Luxury Hotel then St. Regis. None of the other ones have done that. The restaurant is still pretty good there, particularly Sunday brunch but the hotel and rooms are old. There are better, newer, cooler places to stay now. Besides the hooker factor:) hahaI'm sorry - but I don't think my post deserved that insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The New Juniper Posted June 14, 2007 Author Share Posted June 14, 2007 Developing a Mandarin or Peninsula would cost in the $375 - $400K per key. This means, in rough hotel proforma view, you would have to consistently get a $350 average daily rate to support that cost. Houstonian gets the highest ADR in Houston, and it is in the mid to low $200's. I have little doubt that condos would sell at a high premium atop one of these hotels. They would be great. It is the hotel that doesn't make sense in that equation. That is why W seems to make sense. It is reasonable <- term used loosely, in its cost which stretches the lending community to believing development makes sense. Further, an owner can be found to take on the debt to operate the hotel. And, to boot, the condos get a premium over market. Prediction. W will get built. It will be an out of town developer who believes Houstonians just "don't get it" yet and there is a $300 per night market just waiting to be tapped. Condos will go gangbusters. Hotel will change hands more than 3 times in the first 10 years of operation. Mandarin or Peninsula will not get built here.Wulfe may go with the Ritz, but i can promise you Ed won't be signing that note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 I did some PR for them way back when. Not sure why it changed to Luxury Hotel then St. Regis. None of the other ones have done that.Actually, some others have changed. Whoever it was that owned the Ritz-Carlton in Houston also owned a couple others (I specifically remember the Washington DC one). They all changed from Ritz-Carlton to other chains at about the same time. (I believe the old Ritz-Carlton in DC is now maybe a Westin? I don't remember all the details, but I believe Ritz-Carlton pulled their flag and the hotels ended up being sold... perhaps Starwood bought them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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