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Proposed landfill expansion and Shadow Creek Ranch It will be a heap of trash taller than a 17 floor building? Rate Topic: ****- 4 Votes

#51 User is offline   ParagK 

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Posted Saturday, July 21, 2007 at 9:21 PM

Friends,
Hello. This is a wonderful forum, I really appreciate all the posts. They are incredibly helpful for newcomers to Houston like me. We moved to Houston about 8 months ago, and I have been a reader of this forum since then. This is my first post.

We really like Shadow Creek ranch and Pearland, we were going to sign the contract on a new Meritage home, but we came across the Landfill expansion issue, and we have delayed our plans since then (about 6 months ago). I follow every news item about the Blue Ridge expansion, that I can get my hands on (CABRLE website, FB news etc), but I really would like to know from someone within SCR and long timers from Pearland about what they think might happen with the grant of a "contested - case" hearing and TCEQ decisions.

What is the general mood in SCR itself ? Are residents just resigned to "whatever happens - happens" or is there an exodus from SCR in anticipation that once the expansion is approved the property values will drop, and slowly but surely, SCR will turn into something not very nice ??

There are several reasons for liking SCR ( educated residents, shorter commute to downtown, nice amneties, reasonable costs etc), but this BR landfill issue has turned an easy decision into a basically no-decision for us.

Once again,
thanks a lot, and awaiting your responses,
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Posted Saturday, July 21, 2007 at 10:40 PM

As a new resident of SCR, it seems to me like people outside of SCR worry about the expansion much more than the people in SCR. That is not to say that we want the expansion or will sit by and let it happen without a fight, but it seems that people are not letting it comsume their daily lives. I can honestly say that I have never noticed a foul smell from the landfill from anywhere inside SCR, although I have occasionally smelled some nasty things on 521 and areas west. I do not know for certain if they are coming from the landfill.

I find it hard to believe, and hope that it is not the case, that there will be an exodus from SCR over this issue. The community is nice and the quality of people seems good. We hope to be here a long time.
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Posted Saturday, July 21, 2007 at 10:50 PM

I know most of my neighbors are aware of it and not terribly excited. A couple of them are carpooling to the hearing in a few days. I hope they have success.
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Posted Sunday, July 22, 2007 at 12:39 AM

I think there are two school of thoughts in SCR for the landfill issue.

One school thinks that they should fight agressively against the landfill at any cost and make their place safe to live. I think they are optimistc folks who think landfill expansion can be prevented by a collective protest.

Other school thinks that more protest and more media attention will only help to spread the news about the landfill and would reduce the property value irrespective of whether landfill expands or not. I think these folks are rather pessimistic and are doing the damage control by keeping the landfill issue within.

I think the general consesnsus is that, RCH will be granted on July 25 at the Austin hearing and the TV stations may be awarded a legal standpoint on the issue. But, a CH may take years to complete.

SCR is a great place but it appears sales are stand still now. Realtors were thinking that summer would bring a boost in SCR sales but the landfill spoiled those hopes. Recently Meritage offered a 50% off lake lot premiums, Perry offered $10K backyard upgrade and ryland reduced prices on their inventories by 15-20% on top of their other promotions

If (IF) landfill gets expanded, I am sure there will be some law suits against the builders and Newland (the owner). I am not sure howmany buyers were given a landfill disclosure form BEFORE buying a house in SCR. I visited some of the builder offices few months back and have received all their glossy blah-blah brochures and everything. Later, once I became aware of the Landfil issue, I replied (to one of their Sales emails) them asking about the landfill and got a response saying "The landfill is technically in Fresno, TX and has been there for approximately 11 years. It is non toxic and non hazardous". Obviously they were trying to imply that "Buddy, you are in Pearland and this landfill is in Fresno and last 11 years it dint create any issues" as if I do not know much on landfill. They were just acting ignorance on landfill expansion. When I replied back with all possible information, links and proofs - suddenly there was change of tone and it said " I would like to fax you our Landfill Disclosure form". So the bottomline is, all builders have a ready made disclosure available and it will be given only to someone who is educated about the landfill and asks for it. My understanding is that disclosures should have been voluntrarly given to all potential buyers.

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Posted Sunday, July 22, 2007 at 8:25 PM

View PostHoustonRealtor, on Saturday, July 21st, 2007 @ 10:40pm, said:

I can honestly say that I have never noticed a foul smell from the landfill from anywhere inside SCR, although I have occasionally smelled some nasty things on 521 and areas west. I do not know for certain if they are coming from the landfill.


Yeah, Almeda (aka FM 521) is for some reason a refinery corridor. I'm not sure what the history behind it was, but if you use the EPA's Enviromapper tool, a lot of point-source emissions seem to be coming from plants along it.
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Posted Sunday, July 22, 2007 at 8:38 PM

View Postbrain, on Sunday, July 22nd, 2007 @ 12:39am, said:

I think there are two school of thoughts in SCR for the landfill issue.

One school thinks that they should fight agressively against the landfill at any cost and make their place safe to live. I think they are optimistc folks who think landfill expansion can be prevented by a collective protest.

Other school thinks that more protest and more media attention will only help to spread the news about the landfill and would reduce the property value irrespective of whether landfill expands or not. I think these folks are rather pessimistic and are doing the damage control by keeping the landfill issue within.

I think the general consesnsus is that, RCH will be granted on July 25 at the Austin hearing and the TV stations may be awarded a legal standpoint on the issue. But, a CH may take years to complete.

SCR is a great place but it appears sales are stand still now. Realtors were thinking that summer would bring a boost in SCR sales but the landfill spoiled those hopes. Recently Meritage offered a 50% off lake lot premiums, Perry offered $10K backyard upgrade and ryland reduced prices on their inventories by 15-20% on top of their other promotions

If (IF) landfill gets expanded, I am sure there will be some law suits against the builders and Newland (the owner). I am not sure howmany buyers were given a landfill disclosure form BEFORE buying a house in SCR. I visited some of the builder offices few months back and have received all their glossy blah-blah brochures and everything. Later, once I became aware of the Landfil issue, I replied (to one of their Sales emails) them asking about the landfill and got a response saying "The landfill is technically in Fresno, TX and has been there for approximately 11 years. It is non toxic and non hazardous". Obviously they were trying to imply that "Buddy, you are in Pearland and this landfill is in Fresno and last 11 years it dint create any issues" as if I do not know much on landfill. They were just acting ignorance on landfill expansion. When I replied back with all possible information, links and proofs - suddenly there was change of tone and it said " I would like to fax you our Landfill Disclosure form". So the bottomline is, all builders have a ready made disclosure available and it will be given only to someone who is educated about the landfill and asks for it. My understanding is that disclosures should have been voluntrarly given to all potential buyers.


No more than two years ago, SCR was the hottest thing in suburban Houston. Now, it is starting to sound like a dump (no pun intended).
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Posted Monday, July 23, 2007 at 5:07 PM

View PostTrae, on Sunday, July 22nd, 2007 @ 8:38pm, said:

No more than two years ago, SCR was the hottest thing in suburban Houston. Now, it is starting to sound like a dump (no pun intended).


I definitely wouldn't call SCR a dump. It's still a beautiful neighborhood, with very nice homes, and a number of residents who were caught off guard by this mess. It's unfortunate that things have gone down the way they have. I wish them the best.
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Posted Monday, July 23, 2007 at 8:18 PM

On the bright side, in 50 or 60 years after the landfill is closed and reclaimed, they'll have a big golf course in their backyard.
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Posted Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 6:18 PM

I need some help guys. I live in Shadow Creek Ranch in Riverside Place which is just West of Kingsley and South of Trininty Bay. I'm trying to protest my property tax valuation. I signed the papers to build my home around April '06 and closed in November of 06. The cost was 180k for 1935 sqft. My tax valuation was at 174k. I went to the informal hearing today arguing that my value should be lowered because of possibility of the landfill expansion and that several neighboring houses were appraised at a much lower value. It turned out that the neighboring houses were valued lower because they were only partially completed. They dropped my valuation to 170K before I even mentioned the dump issue and then when I raised the issue he said it was the best he could do. He also mentioned that if I chose to continue to the formal hearing that the dump expansion would be the best way to go. Here's where I need the help. Is there any where I can find sales trends/closing prices over some time period? I also hired an independent appraiser. Besides these things are there any suggestions on what I should do?

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Posted Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 1:03 PM


TCEQ Grants Contested Hearing On Blue Ridge Landfill


The Texas Commission On Environmental Quality just ruled this morning at a hearing in Austin that sufficient evidence did exist to allow for a contested case hearing on the proposed application for the Blue Ridge Landfill Expansion near Missouri City, Arcola, Fresno & Pearland. This is good news for the nearly 1100 homeowners who signed the petition against this project. We will update this section as time and information permits.

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Posted Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 2:37 PM


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Posted Thursday, July 26, 2007 at 2:11 PM

View Postbrain, on Wednesday, July 25th, 2007 @ 2:37pm, said:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nb/for...ws/4998528.html







Appears like TCEQ does not want another lawsuit to deal with like this one


This is a great news.

We brought a home in shadow creek, will be closing soon in 1-2 months. We have decided to move to Shadowcreek even after hearing about landfill. We are not much worried about this, we really liked the location, price, businesses around, distance from downtown/galleria. I have some friends who moved to Shadow creek recently. They love the place.

I think once after the Pearland Town Center, Presidential Park, Promenade shops, Houston Library and Other shopping complexes in this area open to public there will be more opposition to the landfill.



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Posted Thursday, July 26, 2007 at 4:12 PM

View Postscrres, on Thursday, July 26th, 2007 @ 2:11pm, said:

This is a great news.

We brought a home in shadow creek, will be closing soon in 1-2 months. We have decided to move to Shadowcreek even after hearing about landfill. We are not much worried about this, we really liked the location, price, businesses around, distance from downtown/galleria. I have some friends who moved to Shadow creek recently. They love the place.

I think once after the Pearland Town Center, Presidential Park, Promenade shops, Houston Library and Other shopping complexes in this area open to public there will be more opposition to the landfill.


Welcome to the forum and welcome to Shadow Creek scrres. As the rest of your friends, you will love SCR; is a great place to live.

Personally I have never been worried about the landfill either, worst case we will have a great golf course in 50 years as editor pointed;

I doubt the big mountain will be approved, best case for Allied Waste I think is to get approval to increase acreage maintaining the height limit they currently have. The issue with the weather radars is to big IMO for anybody to give a green light to the expansion; and then you add Barium in water samples, inconsistencies with the flow of traffic in the expansion request, all the new housing and commercial development going up closeby, "tipping fees", etc.
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Posted Thursday, July 26, 2007 at 6:30 PM

I am also buying a house in SCR; Will be closing in 1 month; I really fell in love with the neighborhood. I had no idea about the landfill issue when I put dwon my option money, and even after hearing, I still want to live there. I really hope this thing gets limited, but I cant wait to move in to my new home. BassPro, Town Center, Waterlights are all icing on the cake!
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Posted Friday, July 27, 2007 at 9:30 AM

Finally good to hear from people who love SCR. Frankly I am a little concerned about the landfill expansion but not much. I am glad we have a great organization fighting against it along with Morrison. My main concerns were smell from the landfill and water supply. I know for sure water supply to SCR is not from underground water, so thats ruled out. And I have never smelled a foul smell from the landfill so far. We also will be closing in coming 1-2 months and cannot wait to move into SCR!!
I really hope that Allied is not successful in getting an expansion approved for the height. I do not mind the accreage approval because it will be on the farther side from SCR anyway.
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Posted Friday, July 27, 2007 at 10:01 AM

View Postlonestardude, on Friday, July 27th, 2007 @ 9:30am, said:

Finally good to hear from people who love SCR. Frankly I am a little concerned about the landfill expansion but not much. I am glad we have a great organization fighting against it along with Morrison. My main concerns were smell from the landfill and water supply. I know for sure water supply to SCR is not from underground water, so thats ruled out. And I have never smelled a foul smell from the landfill so far. We also will be closing in coming 1-2 months and cannot wait to move into SCR!!
I really hope that Allied is not successful in getting an expansion approved for the height. I do not mind the accreage approval because it will be on the farther side from SCR anyway.


As has been mentioned on here by me and others there is an occasional smell in the area. I live in Brookglen and notice it about once every two weeks, usually in the morning. I don't know if it comes from the dump or from the chem plants.

The commercial construction going on is incredible right now. There need to be more infrastructure improvements ASAP, especially to SCR Parkway. I don't really know why all those buildings are empty up there. I know it all comes down to money and who's buying but I still think the state of 2234 and 518 east of 288 is ridiculous for this point in the development. Once a couple more of the big stores open, the entire area will change. Bass Shop, HEB, Macy's, Dillard's, Barnes and Noble. That's a ton of jobs in the SCR area which means there will certainly be a massive increase in smaller stores and restaurants, too. I really have no question that SCR will be a highly desirable area to live in 5 years from now and more.
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Posted Saturday, August 4, 2007 at 5:57 PM

I have worked in Southern Trails (just South of FM 518 & SCR) for 2 years and have never smelled anything!

Growing up in the 80's I lived at 2234 and S Post Oak and never smelled anything....

The wind usually blows inland from what I can tell! ...away form SCR and me...
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Posted Friday, October 5, 2007 at 9:00 AM

According to a CABRLE blogsite I found, a contested hearing on this issue will be held on October 16th at 10am in the Commissioner's courtroom, 309 South 4th street, Suite 701, Richmond, Tx.
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Posted Wednesday, October 17, 2007 at 6:58 PM

The outcome of the hearing is now available for reading here, at the Houston Chronicle site. My layman's interpretation is that the final resolution has been delayed once again, until next year. Even then whatever decision is made can be appealed in district court, by either party.

So the whole issue drags on. Still, this is good for those folks currently living in the vicinity of the landfill, since the expansion remains on hold. However those who are trying to decide whether or not it is safe to buy homes there (like me) are still left in limbo.

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Posted Thursday, October 18, 2007 at 2:31 PM

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Posted Sunday, December 2, 2007 at 9:13 AM

Here is a brief update from the Missouri City Chatter blog about the developments this fall. It seems both sides are scoring points, and the issue drags on.
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Posted Wednesday, December 12, 2007 at 3:07 PM

It appears landfill/Foreclosures are hitting hard on SCR. This house (3,814 sq.ft) in SCR is listed for 240K. ie, around $62/ sq.ft. Granted, it's a foreclosure but asking prices this low is a definitely a sign of what lies ahead IMO



Since landfill expansion is not granted yet, this makes me to think that landfill will dent the image of SCR whether it expands or not. HUGE number of foreclosures adds oil to the fire. I doubt how much damage could be reduced by having an HEB/Accademey/WholeFoods/StarBucks/Barnes-Nobles/PresidentialHeadsPark/etc nearby.



Also, this particular house is on the EAST of Kirby and EXTREMELY adjacent to the new apartments. If you look at the first pic, you can see the apt JUST behind the fence. It appears that buyers (who bought in 2003-2004) were not aware that an apartment is going to built next to their backyard and now when they SEE it, many are trying to sell their homes but cannot find a buyer.
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Posted Wednesday, December 12, 2007 at 9:05 PM

View PostHouston456, on Wednesday, December 12th, 2007 @ 2:07pm, said:

Also, this particular house is on the EAST of Kirby and EXTREMELY adjacent to the new apartments. If you look at the first pic, you can see the apt JUST behind the fence. It appears that buyers (who bought in 2003-2004) were not aware that an apartment is going to built next to their backyard and now when they SEE it, many are trying to sell their homes but cannot find a buyer.


According to the maps I have, those are supposed to be 'luxury' apartments, but they still will be noisy and an eyesore. Too bad the current owners didn't check things out closer before they bought, because the maps of SCR I have (which came from the SCR visitors center) clearly showed those apartments going in there.

I'm not really surprised that many homes are for sale in SCR at discounted prices, but the fact that many of them are on the EAST side of SCR (away from the landfill), seems noteworthy. There must be several factors at work here, which are combining for a synergistic effect on the market prices.
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Posted Wednesday, December 12, 2007 at 11:37 PM

View PostTimnwendy, on Wednesday, December 12th, 2007 @ 8:05pm, said:

According to the maps I have, those are supposed to be 'luxury' apartments, but they still will be noisy and an eyesore. Too bad the current owners didn't check things out closer before they bought, because the maps of SCR I have (which came from the SCR visitors center) clearly showed those apartments going in there.

I'm not really surprised that many homes are for sale in SCR at discounted prices, but the fact that many of them are on the EAST side of SCR (away from the landfill), seems noteworthy. There must be several factors at work here, which are combining for a synergistic effect on the market prices.


I must say I find these homes at these prices tempting. I don't like the look of SCR very much, but an inexpensive home on the east side of the community might be a pretty nice solution to our current where-to-live conundrum.
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Posted Thursday, December 13, 2007 at 10:17 AM

View PostHouston456, on Wednesday, December 12th, 2007 @ 2:07pm, said:

It appears landfill/Foreclosures are hitting hard on SCR. This house (3,814 sq.ft) in SCR is listed for 240K. ie, around $62/ sq.ft. Granted, it's a foreclosure but asking prices this low is a definitely a sign of what lies ahead IMO

Since landfill expansion is not granted yet, this makes me to think that landfill will dent the image of SCR whether it expands or not. HUGE number of foreclosures adds oil to the fire. I doubt how much damage could be reduced by having an HEB/Accademey/WholeFoods/StarBucks/Barnes-Nobles/PresidentialHeadsPark/etc nearby.

Also, this particular house is on the EAST of Kirby and EXTREMELY adjacent to the new apartments. If you look at the first pic, you can see the apt JUST behind the fence. It appears that buyers (who bought in 2003-2004) were not aware that an apartment is going to built next to their backyard and now when they SEE it, many are trying to sell their homes but cannot find a buyer.


The apartments have been on the maps for years, so if they didn't know, it's their own fault.

As for foreclosures, I'm not seeing any more in SCR than anywhere else that has homes that are at least a few years old. The reason we have this mortgage crisis is that people bought houses (all over the country) that shouldn't have been buying them in the first place. Builders and their lenders were making it easy for almost anyone to qualify. These buyers are now being forced out of their homes because they just can't afford them.

The landfill will never be a positive for SCR, but it shouldn't have a huge long-term impact if the expansion isn't granted. If it is granted...well, we'll just have to wait and see.
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Posted Thursday, December 13, 2007 at 10:19 AM

TimWendy,
Just a little FYI for you...those maps from the SCR "visitor center" aka "The developer's marketing arm", change all the time. I can assure you that when those people built in 2001-2003 the apartments were not scheduled. There are still SEVERAL inaccuracies on the current map.

When we started building in 2004 they told us all of the area east of the property was zoned commercial, and we needed to be aware of that. They expected at least one of the hospitals to be built, but could not promise what else went in there.
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Posted Thursday, December 13, 2007 at 10:31 AM

View Postclearman, on Thursday, December 13th, 2007 @ 9:19am, said:

TimWendy,
Just a little FYI for you...those maps from the SCR "visitor center" aka "The developer's marketing arm", change all the time. I can assure you that when those people built in 2001-2003 the apartments were not scheduled. There are still SEVERAL inaccuracies on the current map.

When we started building in 2004 they told us all of the area east of the property was zoned commercial, and we needed to be aware of that. They expected at least one of the hospitals to be built, but could not promise what else went in there.


Ah, ok. We got our map from them in 2005, and it was marked then, so I can't attest to what they were showing earlier.
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Posted Thursday, December 13, 2007 at 10:57 AM

I have lived in 'luxury' and 'non-luxury' apmts and I can say its all the same (more-or-less). Its not like the difference between 1-star motel and a 5-star hilton.

Another marketing gimmick.

When you go to starbucks and order a 'TALL' cup, you know that is the SHORTEST size. LOL!!

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According to the maps I have, those are supposed to be 'luxury' apartments, but they still will be noisy and an eyesore. Too bad the current owners didn't check things out closer before they bought, because the maps of SCR I have (which came from the SCR visitors center) clearly showed those apartments going in there.

I'm not really surprised that many homes are for sale in SCR at discounted prices, but the fact that many of them are on the EAST side of SCR (away from the landfill), seems noteworthy. There must be several factors at work here, which are combining for a synergistic effect on the market prices.

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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 at 6:11 AM

There have been some recent developments about the litigation revolving around this landfill expansion, which you can read about here.

My layman's opinion: Blue Ridge is making noise about wanting to talk to the other parties opposing their expansion of the landfill, to see if they can reach some kind of accomodation, but it's really just a smoke screen tactic.
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Posted Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 6:06 PM

It looks like at least one SCR resident is complaining to the Pearland City Council about the landfill. Read this article for the details.

The quote from Mr. Scrutchin is interesting. The article implied he is a salesperson for new homes in Eden Cove, but it wasn't totally clear.

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Posted Wednesday, May 28, 2008 at 8:50 AM


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Posted Wednesday, May 28, 2008 at 10:30 AM

View PostTimnwendy, on Tuesday, May 27th, 2008 @ 6:06pm, said:

It looks like at least one SCR resident is complaining to the Pearland City Council about the landfill. Read this article for the details.

The quote from Mr. Scrutchin is interesting. The article implied he is a salesperson for new homes in Eden Cove, but it wasn't totally clear.



I think its not just Shadow Creek Residents that are going to be affected, it can affect other near by communties southern trails, silver lake/creek etc. One night around 11pm I could smell it near HEB and Walmart also.
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Posted Wednesday, May 28, 2008 at 11:34 AM

View Postscrres, on Wednesday, May 28th, 2008 @ 10:30am, said:

I think its not just Shadow Creek Residents that are going to be affected, it can affect other near by communties southern trails, silver lake/creek etc. One night around 11pm I could smell it near HEB and Walmart also.


Let's not forget the upcoming Waterlight District (located between 288 and Kirby). With all the $$$ the developers are/will be pumping into that project, you'd think they would lend their voice (and funding) to CABRLE and others who oppose the landfill, because that location could be affected also. Who would want to take an expensive boat ride if the air on the river smelled like a sewer?

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Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 8:45 AM


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Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 9:14 AM

View PostTimnwendy, on Monday, July 21st, 2008 @ 8:45am, said:

The site has been in operation since 1993.


Same argument as the homeless in Midtown...it was already there, so what's the big surprise? Were people hoping that the wind would never blow a certain direction and maybe the landfill would just go away?
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Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:02 AM

View Post20thStDad, on Monday, July 21st, 2008 @ 9:14am, said:

Same argument as the homeless in Midtown...it was already there, so what's the big surprise? Were people hoping that the wind would never blow a certain direction and maybe the landfill would just go away?


I'm guessing they didn't even know it was there prior to buying.

Since April, I've lived approx 2 miles east of the landfill. I have never smelled anything.

It's hard to know how close is too close, but from talking with people who live in various parts of SCR I've decided that Kingsley Drive is a fairly accurate smell boundary. I tell people who are looking for houses in SCR to beware of choosing a site west of Kingsley. The further east, the better.
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Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 11:00 AM

View PostTimnwendy, on Monday, July 21st, 2008 @ 10:02am, said:

I'm guessing they didn't even know it was there prior to buying.

Since April, I've lived approx 2 miles east of the landfill. I have never smelled anything.

It's hard to know how close is too close, but from talking with people who live in various parts of SCR I've decided that Kingsley Drive is a fairly accurate smell boundary. I tell people who are looking for houses in SCR to beware of choosing a site west of Kingsley. The further east, the better.



I have friends who live east, near Halfmoon Bay Dr (0.7 miles east of Kingsley Drive, opposite to Southern Trails Drive) who could smell this many times. The smell will not be thru out the day. Most of times I noticed was during the night after 11pm and before 8 am.
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Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 2:45 PM

View Postscrres, on Monday, July 21st, 2008 @ 11:00am, said:

I have friends who live east, near Halfmoon Bay Dr (0.7 miles east of Kingsley Drive, opposite to Southern Trails Drive) who could smell this many times. The smell will not be thru out the day. Most of times I noticed was during the night after 11pm and before 8 am.


That is correct. It's mostly late at night and early in the morning. I live about 0.5 miles west of Kingsley and I could smell it 4 times in the last two weeks. Prior to that I hadn't noticed it for a couple of months.

I did not know about it before I bought my house three years ago. Did I not do enough due diligence? Probably not. But I still love my house and big backyard. And it's not like I'm going to live in SCR forever. I just don't want to take a loss which is what most people are doing right now selling homes in SCR. I know a few people who took 20k-50k losses just to get away from the landfill. That's not cool with me. I'm too young to take that kind of damage. But I do think home prices will stabilize in the next 2-3 years out there with better infrastructure and entertainment.
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Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 2:56 PM

View Postscrres, on Monday, July 21st, 2008 @ 11:00am, said:

I have friends who live east, near Halfmoon Bay Dr (0.7 miles east of Kingsley Drive, opposite to Southern Trails Drive) who could smell this many times. The smell will not be thru out the day. Most of times I noticed was during the night after 11pm and before 8 am.


I'm sure the odor does drift further east sometimes. I live east of Southern Trails Drive, very close to Half Moon Bay. Even though I'm a little further south, I know someday I will probably get a whiff of it.

What kind of irks me is that the developers at this vaunted Waterlight District haven't gotten more involved in fighting the expansion. I wonder if they are just oblivious to it. They might have a rude awakening if their high-end restaurants and fancy canal begin to reek a few times each month.

At times it isn't hard for me to project this whole scenario playing out as a repeat of the Brio dump site/Southbend subdivision debacle in Friendswood in the late 80s. Time will tell.

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Posted Monday, July 21, 2008 at 10:51 PM

Based on the satellite link in post #2 in this thread... and the discussion here on how you can smell it... I would say the value of those homes, near the landfill, is headed one direction: straight down. Regardless of the proposed expansion, the damage has been done. Every post to this thread and the value of those homes probably drops another $2000.

170 feet into the air is not that high. It's only half a football field, roughly. It's not like it would be a mile high or anything. The trash has to go somewhere, it doesn't just disappear into thin air.

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Posted Thursday, July 31, 2008 at 9:03 AM

A front page story in the Chronicle today is about gas from an Allied landfill in NE Houston being captured and used to power a brewery:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headli...iz/5915602.html

I wonder if/when this would be implemented at the landfill here, and if it would mitigate some of the odor concerns?

Having said that, I live west of Kingsley close to the Wilder Elementary School, and I almost never smell the landfill. I do oppose the height expansion, but that's a separate issue for me.
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Posted Thursday, August 21, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Anyone have any updates on this? I know there was a meeting in the Quail Valley subdv last week, but I've been out of town and missed it.
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Posted Thursday, August 21, 2008 at 12:33 PM

I haven't heard anything new since the news article about the testimony given at the Pearland City Council meeting. I'm a member of the CABRLE Yahoo group, but it is dead quiet...and has been for months.

I suspect there is probably quite a bit of discussion going on, but only among a select group.
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Posted Friday, August 22, 2008 at 11:13 AM

I live on the far East side of SCR and I'm pretty sure I smelled the landfill a couple times this week. In the morning and evening. Very chemically smell.
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Posted Tuesday, September 2, 2008 at 12:45 PM

View Postclearman, on Friday, August 22nd, 2008 @ 11:13am, said:

I live on the far East side of SCR and I'm pretty sure I smelled the landfill a couple times this week. In the morning and evening. Very chemically smell.



There is also a chemical Plant nearby on 521. Axel Nobel, http://www.surface.akzonobel.com/, is a small chemical plant that produces surfacants. Some of these chemicals can be pretty dangerous, AND smelly. I have personally taken a tour of that plant. This is probably where you are getting the chemical smell.

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Posted Thursday, March 19, 2009 at 10:35 AM

I found this Inside Fort Bend blog entry that gives an update on the expansion, as of Feb. 2009. To me, it still seems like things are going bad for the opponents of the expansion.
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Posted Friday, May 8, 2009 at 9:03 AM

The Pearland City Council has an agenda item on their meeting for this coming Monday 05/11/2009 to consult with their city attorney about the Blue Ridge Landfill litigation. You can read about it here:

http://www.groupbuilder.net/uploads/City_o...ncil_Agenda.pdf

These sessions are open to the public, if anyone wants to go. I thought some of you might be trying to get information on this.
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Posted Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Thanks for the post. As the author says, some people would only be happy if no expansion were to take place, but I personally take this as good news.

I have seen building activity picking up a little bit on the west side of SCR and hopefully this finally will give some closure to the issue and prospect residents can make their mind since probably we won't notice a big change in the landfill at least for more than a decade.

Once 518 opens all the way to 521 I hope it will also help with sales in the last section of the neighborhood.
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