Subdude Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 A number of major new downtown projects are being planned. Which ones do you think will actually be completed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Huge Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 All of them. At some point or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfastx Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 All of them except the 5 Allen Center project. At least within the next 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 I'm surprised hines is ahead of chevron here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston? Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Are there any renderings of these buildings except the Hines tower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Nobody here has posted any if there are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted March 24, 2013 Author Share Posted March 24, 2013 I'm surprised hines is ahead of chevron here. I'm not. Once renderings and news stories show up projects take on an air of reality. At this point Chevron is really just a rumor around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 The reason I am more confident about chevron is they don't have to find a tenant first. Also, they've already started peripheral construction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchCity Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Yea it's kinda like Exxon's campus, there were rumors about it long before Exxon finally confessed. And that was only after construction had been going on for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttuchris Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I would say the Foley's/Hilcorp project is further along than people think. This has been a rumor for over a year and like Exxon/Chevron, they do not need to wait for pre-leasing. The tenants have been moved out of the Americana Building and of course, out of Foley's. I think we will see the plans by the end of the year and construction in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 I would say the Foley's/Hilcorp project is further along than people think. This has been a rumor for over a year and like Exxon/Chevron, they do not need to wait for pre-leasing. The tenants have been moved out of the Americana Building and of course, out of Foley's. I think we will see the plans by the end of the year and construction in 2014. You are saying then this a single-tenant project? Over two blocks? That would be massive, but I haven't heard anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swtsig Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 You are saying then this a single-tenant project? Over two blocks? That would be massive, but I haven't heard anything.Not a single tenant project but they obviously already have a lead tenant (Hilcorp) which is why they can move forward. i really don't know the entire scope of the project but i've heard the office building will be around 450K sf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoothrewpoo Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 I would say the Foley's/Hilcorp project is further along than people think. This has been a rumor for over a year and like Exxon/Chevron, they do not need to wait for pre-leasing. The tenants have been moved out of the Americana Building and of course, out of Foley's. I think we will see the plans by the end of the year and construction in 2014. I'd tend to agree. They've gone to DD on the core and shell once already with the former architect. My understanding is, they're moving forward again with a new architect on the C&S for a 750k sf building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 DD? C&S? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoothrewpoo Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 DD = Design Development, C&S = Core and Shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 450,000 vs 750,000. Let's hope the latter happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoothrewpoo Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 450,000 vs 750,000. Let's hope the latter happens it's neither. Less than 450,000 for sure, probably closer to 300k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Why would anyone devote two downtown blocks to the development of 300,000 square feet of office space, or even 1 block? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinkaidAlum Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Why would anyone devote two downtown blocks to the development of 300,000 square feet of office space, or even 1 block? This is in the heart of downtown, too... Hopefully, we're going to get a mixed use project. My dream? 300,000 -500,000 square feet of office space50,000 square feet of retail (street and tunnel levels)150 room ultra high end hotel (Mandarin Oriental?)80 high end condo units tied to the Mandarin (house keeping, room service, concierge, etc...) Houston has matured enough to land one of these one would think. Hell, i could see corporate entities gobbling up the residential units rather quickly (similar to what happened at Four Seasons and One Park Place). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golyadkin Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 This is in the heart of downtown, too... Hopefully, we're going to get a mixed use project. My dream? 300,000 -500,000 square feet of office space50,000 square feet of retail (street and tunnel levels)150 room ultra high end hotel (Mandarin Oriental?)80 high end condo units tied to the Mandarin (house keeping, room service, concierge, etc...) Houston has matured enough to land one of these one would think. Hell, i could see corporate entities gobbling up the residential units rather quickly (similar to what happened at Four Seasons and One Park Place). Are there even Mardarins in the U.S.? I lived in one in Manila for a month and a half while waiting for my furniture to arrive when I moved there back in 1997, and it was nice, if unremarkable. Honestly I'd much prefer a Shangri-La with an attached Chi spa. Definitely the better of the two, and Houston definitely deserves one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdude Posted March 28, 2013 Author Share Posted March 28, 2013 it's neither. Less than 450,000 for sure, probably closer to 300k. Does anyone know what that approximates in terms of stories on a downtown block? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 it's neither. Less than 450,000 for sure, probably closer to 300k. So then this isn't going to be a tall tower then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Houston19514 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Dunno... I'm not the developer/owner. I can tell you with all certainty though, it IS what it is. Hmmm...Yesterday hoothrewpoo told us that they had a team of architects working on a 750,000 square foot building (post #13). Less than 4 hours later he/she told us that "it's neither [450,000 or 750,000 sq ft]. Less than 450,000 for sure, probably closer to 300k." Are we looking at 300,000 square feet of office space and 450,000 square feet of mixed use (hotel, retail, condos) or is hoothrewpoo throwing poo? ;-) As an aside, even a 750k project seems awfully small for 2 full blocks in the middle of downtown Houston. Color me skeptical. I'm thinking (hoping) the 750k building is for just one of the blocks. Maybe something like that concept rendering showing a Macy's store that we originally thought was a proposed rehab of the existing building could still happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Are there even Mardarins in the U.S.? I lived in one in Manila for a month and a half while waiting for my furniture to arrive when I moved there back in 1997, and it was nice, if unremarkable. Honestly I'd much prefer a Shangri-La with an attached Chi spa. Definitely the better of the two, and Houston definitely deserves one. Yes, there are Mandarins in the US. Only a half dozen or so, but they are here. Would be a great addition for Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston19514 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Does anyone know what that approximates in terms of stories on a downtown block? For a point of reference, according to the Chron, the Foleys/Macys building has 791,000 square feet... 10 floors. So 300,000 square feet filling the block to the sidewalks would be about 4 stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoothrewpoo Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Hmmm...Yesterday hoothrewpoo told us that they had a team of architects working on a 750,000 square foot building (post #13). Less than 4 hours later he/she told us that "it's neither [450,000 or 750,000 sq ft]. Less than 450,000 for sure, probably closer to 300k." Are we looking at 300,000 square feet of office space and 450,000 square feet of mixed use (hotel, retail, condos) or is hoothrewpoo throwing poo? ;-) As an aside, even a 750k project seems awfully small for 2 full blocks in the middle of downtown Houston. Color me skeptical. Fair enough. No reason to spread any more misinformation then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I'm assuming that there are known clients looking for a big chunk of space in a new office space downtown and we are simply awaiting their decision on which proposed development they'll choose. Am i incorrect?Do we know who these clients are and how much space they need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchCity Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I'm assuming that there are known clients looking for a big chunk of space in a new office space downtown and we are simply awaiting their decision on which proposed development they'll choose. Am i incorrect?Do we know who these clients are and how much space they need?From the report you linked earlier it lists two tenants in the market at the end of the leasing activity section: Bechtel Corporation, 630,000 square feet (West Houston) and American Bureau of Shipping, 400,000 square feet (Woodlands). It goes on to give some interesting information regarding proposed projects and other possible tenants "...18 proposed developments are being marketed for build-to-suit opportunities. Tenants such as Bechtel Corporation and ConocoPhillips are actively canvassing this region for land purchases or build-to-suits."It makes it sound like there are just multiple tenants in the market and the proposed downtown towers are just showing them what they can have instead of a sprawling suburban campus. Although ConocoPhillips is probably more likely to buy Exxon's property in the Energy Corridor then it is to build a downtown tower it'd still be interesting to see how much space they're looking for. And I'm sure those 3 are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to companies looking to expand in Houston as there are probably companies from out of state looking to relocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmat Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Do we have a thread for Skanska's Capitol Tower yet? If not maybe this could be it. http://goo.gl/RjrCF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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