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Saw this posted on SSP, didn't find it here.

http://www.gid.com/photos/development/block-d.jpg

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GID Development is currently developing The Horizon – Houston’s luxury high-rise apartment tower in the heart of the Inner Loop.

The Horizon is a 290 unit luxury apartment tower consisting of 21 stories featuring panoramic views of the downtown Houston skyline, the Buffalo Bayou, Memorial Park, River Oaks, and the Galleria. The building will be Houston’s most advanced high-rise residential product and is being designed to achieve LEED Sliver Certification. The Horizon will offer the most extensive residential amenity program in Houston including an 8th floor, 30,000 square foot amenity deck with sweeping views from the building’s pool, fountains, Jacuzzi, outdoor fireplaces, numerous cabanas and lounge areas, outdoor fitness areas, private resident vegetable and herb gardens, and extensive landscaping. Residents will also enjoy the private use of a state-of-the-art fitness club, library and cyber lounge, business center, club lounge, demonstration kitchen, private catering kitchen, private dining room, private theater room, as well as a sophisticated bar and gaming area. The building will also include pet spa areas such as a dog wash/dry facilities, pet grooming room, and a private and secure pet-friendly park featuring fountains, exercise areas, benches, and landscaping. Resident services will include 24 hour concierge, 24 hour valet parking, and on-site management, leasing, and maintenance teams.

http://www.gid.com/d...nt/horizon.aspx

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Neartown seems to be where this is going. Neartown being where that AIG building and a few of those condo towers will be, also where Regent Square is taking root.

Well we know for sure the skyline views fit neartown.

I'd still like to know the answer to my block question. That could possibly narrow it down for us.

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Well we know for sure the skyline views fit neartown.

I'd still like to know the answer to my block question. That could possibly narrow it down for us.

I'm wondering much of the same with a few other things as well such as construction start date or how far along this project really is.

I like Neartown, its possibly my favorite neighborhood of Houston and is quickly developing a nice size skyline of its own while sprawling towards downtown in the process as well.

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I'm wondering much of the same with a few other things as well such as construction start date or how far along this project really is.

I like Neartown, its possibly my favorite neighborhood of Houston and is quickly developing a nice size skyline of its own while sprawling towards downtown in the process as well.

The rendering quality makes me question how serious the project is.

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This is the same company that is developing Regent Square...Is there a chance this could be a rendering of one of the towers in regent square?

Hmmm...interesting thought. Possibly, but you'd think the rendering would be more advanced. Plus, it's possible block "d" is a name they gave a block that's part of Regent Square, which might help your theory. And maybe it's not part of R.S., but it's a "sister" project close by?

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Hmmm...interesting thought. Possibly, but you'd think the rendering would be more advanced. Plus, it's possible block "d" is a name they gave a block that's part of Regent Square, which might help your theory. And maybe it's not part of R.S., but it's a "sister" project close by?

Could be the former Otto's BBQ site or something in that vicinity as well. "Neartown" isn't the only place with those kinds of views.

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Could be the former Otto's BBQ site or something in that vicinity as well. "Neartown" isn't the only place with those kinds of views.

True, I guess that's almost anywhere inbetween Galleria and downtown. Althought I'd think it'd be close to the Bayou considering they'd have a view of it per the description. But then again, when you're 21 stories up, you can probably see the Bayou from very far away.

Where's the old Otto's BBQ site?

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True, I guess that's almost anywhere inbetween Galleria and downtown. Althought I'd think it'd be close to the Bayou considering they'd have a view of it per the description. But then again, when you're 21 stories up, you can probably see the Bayou from very far away.

Where's the old Otto's BBQ site?

Memorial @ Asbury, about 650 feet from Buffalo Bayou.

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The Horizon is a 290 unit luxury apartment tower consisting of 21 stories featuring panoramic views of the downtown Houston skyline, the Buffalo Bayou, Memorial Park, River Oaks, and the Galleria. The building will be Houston’s most advanced high-rise residential product and is being designed to achieve LEED Sliver Certification. The Horizon will offer the most extensive residential amenity program in Houston including an 8th floor, 30,000 square foot amenity deck with sweeping views from the building’s pool, fountains, Jacuzzi, outdoor fireplaces, numerous cabanas and lounge areas, outdoor fitness areas, private resident vegetable and herb gardens, and extensive landscaping. Residents will also enjoy the private use of a state-of-the-art fitness club, library and cyber lounge, business center, club lounge, demonstration kitchen, private catering kitchen, private dining room, private theater room, as well as a sophisticated bar and gaming area. The building will also include pet spa areas such as a dog wash/dry facilities, pet grooming room, and a private and secure pet-friendly park featuring fountains, exercise areas, benches, and landscaping. Resident services will include 24 hour concierge, 24 hour valet parking, and on-site management, leasing, and maintenance teams.

I just want to comment on the amenities in this building and hi-rises in general now... I've been meaning to for a while,the good and the bad and this place so far sounds like they want to have everything they could possibly think of.

-8th Floor pool, fireplaces, cabanas etc... been done at 2727 Kirby, but sounds nice

-Jacuzzis outside on 8... also sounds nice, and saves water and energy vs having them in the individual apartments... but if you're gonna have this have enough. There are lots of jacuzzi hogs out there.

-Private vegetable and herb garden ... really? Are the patios either that small or non-existant? Doesn't everyone have an AeroGarden yet? Just me?

-Cyber lounge or internet cafes where you can get wi-fi and coffee 24/7 always a good choice... the business center however...isn't this just a room with a fax machine and copier?

-What sort of library? Books? Kind of becoming a thing of the past with new e-readers... however movie libraries within the complex are becoming increasingly popular

-Private theater room... most people who want to watch their movies in a home theater environment, already own one, just sound proof these apartments better and everyone will be happy!!... so what if I wanna use this when my neighbor does? am I just SOL?... I lived in an apartment complex that had this... no one ever went in there...

-A bar area would be cool IF they had it staffed with a bartender at certain hours and locked up after hours... I'm talking about a real bar... get off work, have a few drinks, take the elevator home. Win-Win.

-A Gaming area? Don't most people who would play games already have a Wii, PS3 or a 360 in their living room already? This is also kind of like the theater room thing... "Your hogging the controller! It's my turn!" (I naturally assume solely video gaming when I read this)

-A Pet Spa....again.. REALLY?? I guess some people would go for this, however my Dog gets very excited when we take a car ride to Petsmart, and that's what we will continue to do... a dog park/ Walking area is always a good idea however.

-Maintenance... so would this place use a chilled water system, or split systems like so many new properties do now? A building with a chilled water system and real stationary engineers will last forever, the latter... it's iffy.

Basically, you have amenities that are essential: pool, fitness area, and public rooms that can be rented for private functions (including kitchens and dining areas), even a demo kitchen that could be used to host cooking classes is not a bad idea...but some amenities seem like a waste, and for those that move in, whether you use it or not, to an extent, you're paying for it.

That is all.

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I just want to comment on the amenities in this building and hi-rises in general now... I've been meaning to for a while,the good and the bad and this place so far sounds like they want to have everything they could possibly think of.

-8th Floor pool, fireplaces, cabanas etc... been done at 2727 Kirby, but sounds nice

-Jacuzzis outside on 8... also sounds nice, and saves water and energy vs having them in the individual apartments... but if you're gonna have this have enough. There are lots of jacuzzi hogs out there.

-Private vegetable and herb garden ... really? Are the patios either that small or non-existant? Doesn't everyone have an AeroGarden yet? Just me?

-Cyber lounge or internet cafes where you can get wi-fi and coffee 24/7 always a good choice... the business center however...isn't this just a room with a fax machine and copier?

-What sort of library? Books? Kind of becoming a thing of the past with new e-readers... however movie libraries within the complex are becoming increasingly popular

-Private theater room... most people who want to watch their movies in a home theater environment, already own one, just sound proof these apartments better and everyone will be happy!!... so what if I wanna use this when my neighbor does? am I just SOL?... I lived in an apartment complex that had this... no one ever went in there...

-A bar area would be cool IF they had it staffed with a bartender at certain hours and locked up after hours... I'm talking about a real bar... get off work, have a few drinks, take the elevator home. Win-Win.

-A Gaming area? Don't most people who would play games already have a Wii, PS3 or a 360 in their living room already? This is also kind of like the theater room thing... "Your hogging the controller! It's my turn!" (I naturally assume solely video gaming when I read this)

-A Pet Spa....again.. REALLY?? I guess some people would go for this, however my Dog gets very excited when we take a car ride to Petsmart, and that's what we will continue to do... a dog park/ Walking area is always a good idea however.

-Maintenance... so would this place use a chilled water system, or split systems like so many new properties do now? A building with a chilled water system and real stationary engineers will last forever, the latter... it's iffy.

Basically, you have amenities that are essential: pool, fitness area, and public rooms that can be rented for private functions (including kitchens and dining areas), even a demo kitchen that could be used to host cooking classes is not a bad idea...but some amenities seem like a waste, and for those that move in, whether you use it or not, to an extent, you're paying for it.

That is all.

Even new garden-style 1- to 3-story apartment complexes have comparable amenities. The point isn't that they will be used. It's to create the illusion of a lifestyle. They're there to move units to the majority of people, whom lack perspective. It's a 'stupid' tax, paid for by those with and without perspective on the matter. And you can't escape it, no matter where you go at that price point.

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Even new garden-style 1- to 3-story apartment complexes have comparable amenities. The point isn't that they will be used. It's to create the illusion of a lifestyle. They're there to move units to the majority of people, whom lack perspective. It's a 'stupid' tax, paid for by those with and without perspective on the matter. And you can't escape it, no matter where you go at that price point.

How can stupid people have that much money?

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How can stupid people have that much money?

There is way more demand for smart people than there are smart people.

But besides that, a lack of perspective is a circumstance endemic to the human condition. Even the people who come up with the nifty product designs, ads, and propaganda that manipulate consumers are suckered in to the manipulation of others.

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-8th Floor pool, fireplaces, cabanas etc... been done at 2727 Kirby, but sounds nice

Is there anything more environmentally hostile than fireplaces in an apartment in Texas? Unless they're those gas-fired for fake electric fireplaces, which to me begs the question, "What's the point?"

-Jacuzzis outside on 8... also sounds nice, and saves water and energy vs having them in the individual apartments... but if you're gonna have this have enough. There are lots of jacuzzi hogs out there.

I lived in a 49-story building that had three jacuzzis in the common area. In the two years I lived there, I used them maybe twice. I never saw them fully occupied. They were almost always empty.

-Private vegetable and herb garden ... really? Are the patios either that small or non-existant? Doesn't everyone have an AeroGarden yet? Just me?

I don't get this. Is it going to be a plot of rooftop divided into 250 little sections for people? Seems unnecessary since you can grow anything in Texas. Heck, on my balcony in Houston I grew watermelons!

-Cyber lounge or internet cafes where you can get wi-fi and coffee 24/7 always a good choice... the business center however...isn't this just a room with a fax machine and copier?

A business center can be a big plus if you have the right kind of residents and it is done well. One place I lived had three business centers that were almost constantly in use. You could tell because people would reserve them online. They had large conference tables, flat screens with VGA/HDMI hookups embedded in the wall for people's laptops, those star-shaped professional speakerphone thingies, and supposedly some kind of Cisco Telepresence equipment that could be brought in my the management on request. With a lot of people running home offices these days, this can be a great asset and I saw lots of business-suit meetings happening through the frosted glass walls. Or it can be a room with a fax machine and a desk, which would suck.

-What sort of library? Books? Kind of becoming a thing of the past with new e-readers... however movie libraries within the complex are becoming increasingly popular

Two places I've lived have had "libraries." Both were just places where the residents left their used reading material for others to read. It sounds and looks trashy, but there's some great things in there. As for a movie library, the place where I live now has a Redbox machine in the common area, and another competing machine elsewhere. The off-brand machine will let you charge the movie rentals to your rent.

-Private theater room... most people who want to watch their movies in a home theater environment, already own one, just sound proof these apartments better and everyone will be happy!!... so what if I wanna use this when my neighbor does? am I just SOL?... I lived in an apartment complex that had this... no one ever went in there...

My last place had two theater rooms, and they were wildly successful. Like the business centers, you'd reserve online, or if it was unreserved, you could just plop in on a first-come, first-served basis. You could not make a same-day reservation. This was to prevent people from going online and kicking someone out of the room who was already watching something.

There were 440 apartments in the building, and the two theater rooms were only barely adequate. People loved them. If you want to have a few people over to watch something, you can use your home. But if you want to have 40 people over, or your entire office, or a club, then you need a theater.

They'd have birthday parties in there, Oscar-watching parties, soap opera clubs, and lots of other things. Because the apartment complex subscribed to something like 300 sports stations, people who went to colleges on the other side of the country would get together to watch their teams on obscure channels. The rooms were busy into the wee hours because the Indians would watch cricket matches far from home, and the Australians would watch rugby into the night.

A couple of mornings each week there was a woman who had an autistic children's support group meeting in there, and the children would watch special DVDs.

Just before I moved out of the place, the management installed a Playstation 3, a Wii, and an Xbox 360. I'm sure they get plenty of use.

-A bar area would be cool IF they had it staffed with a bartender at certain hours and locked up after hours... I'm talking about a real bar... get off work, have a few drinks, take the elevator home. Win-Win.

That would be nice. One place I lived had a professional bar, but it hadn't been staffed in decades. It looked nice, and was available for parties, but it would have been nice to have it working for real.

-A Gaming area? Don't most people who would play games already have a Wii, PS3 or a 360 in their living room already? This is also kind of like the theater room thing... "Your hogging the controller! It's my turn!" (I naturally assume solely video gaming when I read this)

Some people have gaming parties. And when you do, it's nice to be able to play on a 100" projection screen, instead of a 40" monitor in your apartment. Not all gamers are anti-social.

-A Pet Spa....again.. REALLY?? I guess some people would go for this, however my Dog gets very excited when we take a car ride to Petsmart, and that's what we will continue to do... a dog park/ Walking area is always a good idea however.

This seems a little unnecessary. If there's a demand for it, put it in the retail space in the podium. Don't use precious common space for it.

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There is way more demand for smart people than there are smart people.

But besides that, a lack of perspective is a circumstance endemic to the human condition. Even the people who come up with the nifty product designs, ads, and propaganda that manipulate consumers are suckered in to the manipulation of others.

Well as far as luxury apartments with excessive amenities go I'm sure people will see what the property has to offer and be wowed into moving in with an expectation that they now somehow "need" these things, when in reality they will never use most of them. Also if you want to talk about the human condition, the desire to have bragging rights is never absent. Feels good to have your friend who has 3 dogs envious that you live in a building with a Pet Salon, even though you don't actually have a dog yourself.

Is there anything more environmentally hostile than fireplaces in an apartment in Texas? Unless they're those gas-fired for fake electric fireplaces, which to me begs the question, "What's the point?"

Indoors yes, but outdoors however is a nice feature in my opinion. If the actual flames are contained properly, how nice would it be to have an outdoor fire on a cold night in the city limits.

I lived in a 49-story building that had three jacuzzis in the common area. In the two years I lived there, I used them maybe twice. I never saw them fully occupied. They were almost always empty.

Again were they indoors or outdoors? An outdoor heated jacuzzi near the pool, I think would be nice and frequently used, if done right.

A business center can be a big plus if you have the right kind of residents and it is done well. One place I lived had three business centers that were almost constantly in use. You could tell because people would reserve them online. They had large conference tables, flat screens with VGA/HDMI hookups embedded in the wall for people's laptops, those star-shaped professional speakerphone thingies, and supposedly some kind of Cisco Telepresence equipment that could be brought in my the management on request. With a lot of people running home offices these days, this can be a great asset and I saw lots of business-suit meetings happening through the frosted glass walls. Or it can be a room with a fax machine and a desk, which would suck.

Agreed. The range to what you would get depends on the type of residents the property wants to attract. But typically, the room with a copier and fax would be enough to becalled a "business center" from what I've seen, and if it is why bother?

Two places I've lived have had "libraries." Both were just places where the residents left their used reading material for others to read. It sounds and looks trashy, but there's some great things in there. As for a movie library, the place where I live now has a Redbox machine in the common area, and another competing machine elsewhere. The off-brand machine will let you charge the movie rentals to your rent.

My last place had two theater rooms, and they were wildly successful. Like the business centers, you'd reserve online, or if it was unreserved, you could just plop in on a first-come, first-served basis. You could not make a same-day reservation. This was to prevent people from going online and kicking someone out of the room who was already watching something.

There were 440 apartments in the building, and the two theater rooms were only barely adequate. People loved them. If you want to have a few people over to watch something, you can use your home. But if you want to have 40 people over, or your entire office, or a club, then you need a theater.

They'd have birthday parties in there, Oscar-watching parties, soap opera clubs, and lots of other things. Because the apartment complex subscribed to something like 300 sports stations, people who went to colleges on the other side of the country would get together to watch their teams on obscure channels. The rooms were busy into the wee hours because the Indians would watch cricket matches far from home, and the Australians would watch rugby into the night.

A couple of mornings each week there was a woman who had an autistic children's support group meeting in there, and the children would watch special DVDs.

Just before I moved out of the place, the management installed a Playstation 3, a Wii, and an Xbox 360. I'm sure they get plenty of use.

The RedBox on property sounds very cool! Maybe that will start to be a growing trend.

Again though, this is something that can be done with a very long range of size and scale, all of which can be labeled as a theater room. A lot of theater rooms seat just a few more than what your living room could, making them a waste in my opinion... But if a property wanted to do a full Microplex, then that's a different story, and could be wildly successful like what you described. From just the rendering of The Horizon, the number of units and all the other amenities they want to squeeze in, I doubt their theater room will be anything more than a big screen, 5.1 surround sound setup fitted in a room a little larger than a good sized Living Room able to host a small number of people via 2or 3 sofas or two short rows of reclining theater style seats.

Some people have gaming parties. And when you do, it's nice to be able to play on a 100" projection screen, instead of a 40" monitor in your apartment. Not all gamers are anti-social.

I never said they were, and It would be nice, but again, I've seen some proposed poor attempts of this. A room with that 100+" screen and a great sound system sounds like my dream spot for a party game like Rock Band.

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Coincidence?

per bidclerk start date is February 2012

Site work and new construction of a residential development in Houston. Design plans call for the construction of a 290-unit apartment tower. Plans also call for a 30,000-square-foot amenity deck, pool, fitness club, business center, private theater ...

https://www.bidclerk.com/project.1719170.html

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This could be coincidence, but the property at the southeast corner of Rochow and W Dallas in the Regent Square development is labeled "Reserve D" on the HCAD maps. I beleive there is a complex of construction trailers there (there have been for a couple of years) for J E Dunn. That location definetely fits with the view of downtown in the rendering.

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This could be coincidence, but the property at the southeast corner of Rochow and W Dallas in the Regent Square development is labeled "Reserve D" on the HCAD maps. I beleive there is a complex of construction trailers there (there have been for a couple of years) for J E Dunn. That location definetely fits with the view of downtown in the rendering.

It has to be W Dallas. The way the skyline is angled, it doesnt look like W Gray, and definately not Allen Parkway.

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This could be coincidence, but the property at the southeast corner of Rochow and W Dallas in the Regent Square development is labeled "Reserve D" on the HCAD maps. I beleive there is a complex of construction trailers there (there have been for a couple of years) for J E Dunn. That location definetely fits with the view of downtown in the rendering.

Very interesting.

Agree with others who think this rendering looks to be off of the South side of W. Dallas, and I've been scouring the maps to figure out where this could possibly fit. My first thought from the rendering was perhaps west of College Memorial Park Cemetery (west of the Regent Square phase 1 lot). Don't see how it could possibly fit there though, with the Renoir and Gotham Lofts.

Only other spots I could imagine would be somewhere on the Regent Square property, either phase 1 or 2 (phase 1 already cleared, west of Dunlavy; phase 2 is east of Dunlavy). This includes the W. Dallas / Rochow trailer lot noted above, which is shown in GID's renderings as being a planned midrise section of Regent Square phase 2. These are shown in the Regent Square renderings on GID's site: http://www.gid.com/d...nt-square.aspx

In any event, this part of town is getting increasingly dense. Finger's nearby midrise apartments beside the Whole Foods are slated to break ground in February 2012.

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Wow, is this not the most massive high/mid-rise condo/apt project done in Houston? I'm saying this b/c of the apts that surround the parking garage, which of course is in addition to the tower. Edit: I guess we could just go based of the number given, 290, duh. How does that compare to other towers?

Could block D be the tower in the upper left corner of Regent Square's rendering?

regent-square.jpg

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yeah i thought the same thing regarding block D when i looked at that rendering. i did hear that they were ready to move dirt on one of the office buildings but i can't recall if they need preleasing or not (which def makes a world of difference).

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* The Sovereign is a 21 story post-tensioned concrete apartment structure with brick veneer. Approx. 583,000 sf, with an inboard 7 level parking garage. Units are situated around the perimeter of the garage up to the 7th level and then a 14,500 sf tower above the amenity deck at level 8. ZeiglerCooper Architects and JE Dunn Construction. 3211 W Dallas

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