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Posted Thursday, January 8, 2009 at 11:30 AM

I just read an article in the Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6198989.html) that makes the recovery situation sound absolutely dire.

What condition is the island really in right now? Can anyone who lives or works down there provide the rest of us with some insight?

What are the options for Galveston? Can it really rebuild itself? If things are as desperate as they say, I wonder if Houston could annex Galveston. Not in a hostile way (the way many in Kingwood took it), but in a friendly way to help the area get back on its feet.

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Posted Thursday, January 8, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Why not just approve casino gambling immediately and start issuing bonds? They'll get investors. The idea of annexation is interesting too.

It's probably just too radical a notion, but I can't help think that maybe Galveston shouldn't be a municipality at all--but a true company town geared entirely for tourism and run by developers and privately contracted for all services. Personally I doubt the tax base will come back enough to suport a city and the required government/ infrastructure.
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Posted Thursday, January 8, 2009 at 12:13 PM

I find your avatar disturbing :)

I think layoffs are definitely going to be necessary. Its a sad truth. The city just got smaller. They will have to adjust their budget accordingly.

Im not trying to be careless about what happened to the island, but preventing layoffs would be impossible for a major corporation if their sales just got slashed like galveston's tax base did.
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Posted Thursday, January 8, 2009 at 12:24 PM

View Posteditor, on Thursday, January 8th, 2009 @ 10:30am, said:

I just read an article in the Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6198989.html) that makes the recovery situation sound absolutely dire.

What condition is the island really in right now? Can anyone who lives or works down there provide the rest of us with some insight?

What are the options for Galveston? Can it really rebuild itself? If things are as desperate as they say, I wonder if Houston could annex Galveston. Not in a hostile way (the way many in Kingwood took it), but in a friendly way to help the area get back on its feet.

Thoughts? Pictures?


I was down there on Thursday, Friday and Saturday of last week. Specifically, I stayed on Tiki Island, which is returning to normalcy--even though there is still a buzz of contractors and deisel engines--and even though there are still some homes with absentee owners that haven't been repaired at all. Galveston is in really bad shape. Except for areas just behind the seawall, all of the majestic oak trees are lifeless. Wherever trees are dead, so are businesses. And whereas the island had always been a patchwork of muddled demography, areas that were marginally acceptable to middle class families are starting to look run down. Urban blight is spreading like mold. And whereas Houston's form of urban blight always brought demographic transition, Galveston is just losing population outright with nobody coming in to replace those households that are lost. It is as though a micro-Detroit has sprung up in Houston's own back yard.

Houston won't annex Galveston. Galveston won't let them; also Houston isn't near enough for it to legally do so. The only legally feasible candidates in that fanciful scenario would be Jamaica Beach, Texas City, Hitchcock, and possibly La Marque.

On the one hand, UTMB supported the island's previous size. They contributed vastly to the island's vitality. On the other hand, Galveston had a higher ratio of public housing per capita than just about any small city in the nation for a long time because no city of comparable size had anything like UTMB. UTMB cared for a massive indigent population which migrated there from all over the country, especially the midwest. Now that the public housing has been devastated and most of it is condemned, and now that UTMB is no longer providing free health care, Galveston's poor are greatly reduced in number. In fact, the loss of UTMB will probably lead to the creation and funding of numerous special districts in Texas and beyond tasked with caring for local indigent populations that previously had been sent to Galveston. Although the middle- and upper-class healthcare professionals leave alongside this indigent population, it leaves a vacuum and nature hates a vacuum. It sets the stage for a more specialized tourism-based economy, unfettered by the knife-weilding crazies (such as I have encountered) that used to hold Galveston back.

If Galveston can turn itself around, it is going to take a long time. The market for second homes will have to return and perhaps the Bayport Cruise Terminal would best be mothballed to divert more business to Galveston. Federal assistance will be mandatory; Galveston's tax base has been crippled twice-over, taxes will have to go up, and taxes would have to go up just that much more in order to finance major public improvement projects.

For the time being, there are only two functioning business districts: Seawall and 61st Street. It'll be like that for some time.
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Posted Thursday, January 8, 2009 at 1:33 PM

There was also an article on Galveston's recovery in the Houston Press this week.
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Posted Thursday, January 8, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Excellent post, Niche. Thank you for all that detail.

I've been twice. The first time was over Thanksgiving and my in-laws wanted to "go see." Being sentimental about Galveston, I really didn't want to go. It was really bad but somehow I expected worse.

The last time was New Year's Eve. We went to Moody Gardens and Mario's Seawall Italian Restaurant. Both had lots of people. There were lots of lights on and some of the damage was obscured. You could almost pretend if you stayed near the Seawall that everything was OK. I was glad to see that most of the residential neighborhoods off 61st Street had power and seemed to be occupied.

But, oh, it's heartbreaking. I'll add my voice to the recommendations of John Nova Lomax's excellent recent article in the Houston Press.

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Posted Thursday, January 8, 2009 at 2:15 PM

niche pretty much nailed it.

the chronicle had a good article regarding the possibility of legalizing gambling (link). dont know how feasible it would be but at least should be an option to consider.

unfortunately, i believe the city will have to rely on the private sector (moody, fertitta, etc), rather than our government, for support. saw a show recently regarding katrina damage and the paperwork required for goverment aid. it was like a novel and not an easy read for the educationally-challenged (is that pc enough??).

:huh:

ironic how the nation, especially celebs, were lining up to criticize how NO and surrounding areas were handled, yet not one peep for galveston.

guess the media hates white people, huh? (<- thats a joke, please spare the racist accusations)
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Posted Thursday, January 8, 2009 at 4:18 PM

My wife has a business in Galveston. Things are slowly coming back. The corner at 61st. and Stewart Rd. is coming back pretty quick. Most of the businesses are reopenning except for the crappy HEB, Blockbuster & Hollywood videos which are not coming back. Aaron Furniture Rental left the island also, but I would have thought that business would have been great right now.

HEB is telling people a big fat lie about getting 2 ft of water in their store, creating a "total building loss". We are in the same shopping center (same elevation) and had only 5 1/2" inches. I gutted and replaced the sheetrock immediately and had my wife back in business the following week, even though her fixtures are a total loss, we used what we had and openned up for business.

HEB and the others used the hurricane as an excuse to exit the market. They are cowards. I challenge other competitors to come on down and take their place. These Galveston customers are loyal and do not shop eleswhere.


There are some neighborhoods that will not recover. Homes will have to be removed or elevated in certain areas. That is not always a bad idea, but most lower income residents will not be able to afford it. UTMB was a big factor in keeping a middle class population on the island and now that has been diminshed. It will be a challege for sure, but things will come back.

As far as the national media and all the Brad Pitt types.............they can just stay away as far as I'm concerned.
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Posted Thursday, January 8, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Excellent idea but to logical for our government. 

I hear the strand is really hurting. Due to damage at the Tremont, the big Mardi Gras ball has been moved to the Galvez this year and the parade may be on the seawall.



View Postcrunchtastic, on Thursday, January 8th, 2009 @ 11:09am, said:

Why not just approve casino gambling immediately and start issuing bonds? They'll get investors. The idea of annexation is interesting too.

It's probably just too radical a notion, but I can't help think that maybe Galveston shouldn't be a municipality at all--but a true company town geared entirely for tourism and run by developers and privately contracted for all services. Personally I doubt the tax base will come back enough to suport a city and the required government/ infrastructure.

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Posted Saturday, January 10, 2009 at 9:26 PM

View Postplumber2, on Thursday, January 8th, 2009 @ 3:18pm, said:

My wife has a business in Galveston. Things are slowly coming back. The corner at 61st. and Stewart Rd. is coming back pretty quick. Most of the businesses are reopenning except for the crappy HEB, Blockbuster & Hollywood videos which are not coming back. Aaron Furniture Rental left the island also, but I would have thought that business would have been great right now.

HEB is telling people a big fat lie about getting 2 ft of water in their store, creating a "total building loss". We are in the same shopping center (same elevation) and had only 5 1/2" inches. I gutted and replaced the sheetrock immediately and had my wife back in business the following week, even though her fixtures are a total loss, we used what we had and openned up for business.

HEB and the others used the hurricane as an excuse to exit the market. They are cowards. I challenge other competitors to come on down and take their place. These Galveston customers are loyal and do not shop eleswhere.


Let's see, now...Galveston grocery stores are geographically isolated such that they receive practically no business from bi-directional traffic that is one the way from one destination to another (such as the HEB at I-45 and 646 does). Galveston's population is a fraction of it's former state. And its employment base has not only been interrupted by a storm, which was bad enough, but then afflicted by the loss of core employment which is what had justified a huge assortment of business and consumer services firms also on the island.

...and you are telling me that a grocer exhibits cowardice by exiting this devastated market after a total loss of its inventory!? Bear in mind, as well, that nothing out of that inventory is salvagable, whether they got 5" of water or 5' of water. It all has to go, and none of their equipment could just be turned on and used again without properly being sanitized. Basically everything of value in that store was rendered useless--or at least that is the case if the store management is the least bit concerned about abiding by health codes.

Grocery stores operate on razor-thin margins. When daytime population (the sum of permanent residents and payroll employment) is cut by a quarter or a third over the course of a few months, there either have to be fewer grocers or some grocers must be willing to lose money. To the extent that too many grocers re-opened, only those with deep pockets could hope not to go bankrupt. HEB might could afford to be there forever, but long-time community landmarks like Arlen's would eventualy just run out of money. Only big businesses would ultimately survive to see profitability (which would strangely seem counter to your personal ethos).

Grocers are not in business to lose money. I suspect that you and your wife--business owners yourselves--can probably sympathize with that basic assertion.

I don't know what your business is, but I'm positive that your margins are better than HEB's just by the nature of their industry. You may not be as exposed to the physical or economic devastation of Galveston (though I would suspect that the loss of an anchor tenant in your shopping center will have a materially impact). Still, if it turned (or turns) out that your business could not (or can not) continue to operate profitably, would you (or do you) still intend to operate it perpetually at a loss? And if not, and you decided to close up shop or move it to a community with better prospects, how would you feel if Galvestonians called its proprietor, your wife, a coward? Would you object? And if so, would you object if I then called you out as a hypocrite?
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Posted Sunday, January 11, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Um...Doesn't HEB have insurance?
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Posted Monday, January 12, 2009 at 1:04 PM

View Postfoxmulder, on Sunday, January 11th, 2009 @ 9:52am, said:

Um...Doesn't HEB have insurance?


Probably some level of insurance, but they're a big enough company that the loss of a few stores worth of inventory and equipment from any given hurricane isn't going to cause them to become financially distressed; they may insure their whole portfolio of assets with a fairly high deductible so that, for instance, it would take a hurricane destroying several stores at once to even trigger the slightest bit of insured losses. ...or something like that. Insurance policies can be complicated. But that's not something that you or I would know for fact because HEB is not a publicly-traded corporation.

UTMB did have insurance--only not even remotely enough of it.
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Posted Monday, January 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM

A&M Grocery on 39th Street at Avenue M is the only grocery store on the island that took in water, 3 feet and re-opened. Arlan's on 25th took in water and they closed that location and HEB took in some water and closed. Way to go A&M!
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Posted Monday, January 12, 2009 at 5:20 PM

I'm gonna miss the H-E-B...it's the last HEB Pantry I know of.
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Posted Monday, January 12, 2009 at 5:52 PM

View Postplumber2, on Thursday, January 8th, 2009 @ 3:18pm, said:

My wife has a business in Galveston. Things are slowly coming back. The corner at 61st. and Stewart Rd. is coming back pretty quick. Most of the businesses are reopenning except for the crappy HEB, Blockbuster & Hollywood videos which are not coming back. Aaron Furniture Rental left the island also, but I would have thought that business would have been great right now.

HEB is telling people a big fat lie about getting 2 ft of water in their store, creating a "total building loss". We are in the same shopping center (same elevation) and had only 5 1/2" inches. I gutted and replaced the sheetrock immediately and had my wife back in business the following week, even though her fixtures are a total loss, we used what we had and openned up for business.

HEB and the others used the hurricane as an excuse to exit the market. They are cowards. I challenge other competitors to come on down and take their place. These Galveston customers are loyal and do not shop elsewhere.

There are some neighborhoods that will not recover. Homes will have to be removed or elevated in certain areas. That is not always a bad idea, but most lower income residents will not be able to afford it. UTMB was a big factor in keeping a middle class population on the island and now that has been diminshed. It will be a challege for sure, but things will come back.

As far as the national media and all the Brad Pitt types.............they can just stay away as far as I'm concerned.





Being right there on the Seawall and 61st, do you know what happened to Tortuga's restaurant right there off the Seawall? I used to work for the company that owns them.

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Posted Monday, January 12, 2009 at 8:28 PM

View PostPapillionWyngs, on Monday, January 12th, 2009 @ 5:52pm, said:

Being right there on the Seawall and 61st, do you know what happened to Tortuga's restaurant right there off the Seawall? I used to work for the company that owns them.



Tortuga's oppened up right away. They have been busy.
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Posted Monday, January 12, 2009 at 9:20 PM

View PostIronTiger, on Monday, January 12th, 2009 @ 4:20pm, said:

I'm gonna miss the H-E-B...it's the last HEB Pantry I know of.


Pretty sure there's one on W 18th at Ella or E TC Jester. Too small, not enough meat.
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Posted Monday, January 12, 2009 at 10:19 PM

View PostIronTiger, on Monday, January 12th, 2009 @ 4:20pm, said:

I'm gonna miss the H-E-B...it's the last HEB Pantry I know of.


Also, you can drive to Alvin or Baytown to get the Pantry Experience!

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Posted Monday, January 12, 2009 at 10:45 PM

View Postplumber2, on Monday, January 12th, 2009 @ 7:28pm, said:

Tortuga's oppened up right away. They have been busy.


Thanks. That was one of "my restaurants" when I worked for MRI. It was my favorite one.
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View PostTheNiche, on Saturday, January 10th, 2009 @ 9:26pm, said:

Let's see, now...Galveston grocery stores are geographically isolated such that they receive practically no business from bi-directional traffic that is one the way from one destination to another (such as the HEB at I-45 and 646 does). Galveston's population is a fraction of it's former state. And its employment base has not only been interrupted by a storm, which was bad enough, but then afflicted by the loss of core employment which is what had justified a huge assortment of business and consumer services firms also on the island.

...and you are telling me that a grocer exhibits cowardice by exiting this devastated market after a total loss of its inventory!? Bear in mind, as well, that nothing out of that inventory is salvagable, whether they got 5" of water or 5' of water. It all has to go, and none of their equipment could just be turned on and used again without properly being sanitized. Basically everything of value in that store was rendered useless--or at least that is the case if the store management is the least bit concerned about abiding by health codes.

Grocery stores operate on razor-thin margins. When daytime population (the sum of permanent residents and payroll employment) is cut by a quarter or a third over the course of a few months, there either have to be fewer grocers or some grocers must be willing to lose money. To the extent that too many grocers re-opened, only those with deep pockets could hope not to go bankrupt. HEB might could afford to be there forever, but long-time community landmarks like Arlen's would eventualy just run out of money. Only big businesses would ultimately survive to see profitability (which would strangely seem counter to your personal ethos).

Grocers are not in business to lose money. I suspect that you and your wife--business owners yourselves--can probably sympathize with that basic assertion.

I don't know what your business is, but I'm positive that your margins are better than HEB's just by the nature of their industry. You may not be as exposed to the physical or economic devastation of Galveston (though I would suspect that the loss of an anchor tenant in your shopping center will have a materially impact). Still, if it turned (or turns) out that your business could not (or can not) continue to operate profitably, would you (or do you) still intend to operate it perpetually at a loss? And if not, and you decided to close up shop or move it to a community with better prospects, how would you feel if Galvestonians called its proprietor, your wife, a coward? Would you object? And if so, would you object if I then called you out as a hypocrite?


I am going to miss that HEB store. It was nice having it down the street when our family stays in Galveston. I was naive to think not that much damage had happen and if it did, rebuild would take no more than 1-2 months. What a ripple effect the hurricane and other external events are having on this wonderful community. I can only image that small-to-medium size business owners with commercial insurance are getting less settlement from the adjusters due to some inverted pos/neg technical insurance provision language that gives the Commercial underwriters a significant hedge at the expense of exposing the "back-bone" of the economy - small-to-medium business owners.

Maybe we should pool about 1,000 Galveston business owners in a CME or NYM weather derivative portfolio managed by a honest, humble, transparent cowboy or cowgirl born, reared and resides in Texas and make windfall profits when disaster hits. Of course, the Bermuda or New Yorker underwriter, taking the other side of the weather derivative hedge, might be asking for TARP IX from the Federal Government to pay the 1,000 Galvestonians business owners within the pool. I am being extreme here.

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Posted Tuesday, January 13, 2009 at 9:53 AM

View Postgnu, on Monday, January 12th, 2009 @ 9:19pm, said:

Also, you can drive to Alvin or Baytown to get the Pantry Experience!


And Bellaire, too (right?)
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Posted Tuesday, January 13, 2009 at 5:24 PM

View Postsevfiv, on Tuesday, January 13th, 2009 @ 8:53am, said:

And Bellaire, too (right?)



The Bellaire HEB is something more than a Pantry and something less than a full HEB.
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Posted Tuesday, January 13, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Come to think of it, I think the Pantry sign is gone these days...
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Posted Saturday, February 14, 2009 at 10:34 PM

View PostTheNiche, on Saturday, January 10th, 2009 @ 8:26pm, said:

Let's see, now...Galveston grocery stores are geographically isolated such that they receive practically no business from bi-directional traffic that is one the way from one destination to another (such as the HEB at I-45 and 646 does). Galveston's population is a fraction of it's former state. And its employment base has not only been interrupted by a storm, which was bad enough, but then afflicted by the loss of core employment which is what had justified a huge assortment of business and consumer services firms also on the island.

...and you are telling me that a grocer exhibits cowardice by exiting this devastated market after a total loss of its inventory!? Bear in mind, as well, that nothing out of that inventory is salvagable, whether they got 5" of water or 5' of water. It all has to go, and none of their equipment could just be turned on and used again without properly being sanitized. Basically everything of value in that store was rendered useless--or at least that is the case if the store management is the least bit concerned about abiding by health codes.

Grocery stores operate on razor-thin margins. When daytime population (the sum of permanent residents and payroll employment) is cut by a quarter or a third over the course of a few months, there either have to be fewer grocers or some grocers must be willing to lose money. To the extent that too many grocers re-opened, only those with deep pockets could hope not to go bankrupt. HEB might could afford to be there forever, but long-time community landmarks like Arlen's would eventualy just run out of money. Only big businesses would ultimately survive to see profitability (which would strangely seem counter to your personal ethos).

Grocers are not in business to lose money. I suspect that you and your wife--business owners yourselves--can probably sympathize with that basic assertion.

I don't know what your business is, but I'm positive that your margins are better than HEB's just by the nature of their industry. You may not be as exposed to the physical or economic devastation of Galveston (though I would suspect that the loss of an anchor tenant in your shopping center will have a materially impact). Still, if it turned (or turns) out that your business could not (or can not) continue to operate profitably, would you (or do you) still intend to operate it perpetually at a loss? And if not, and you decided to close up shop or move it to a community with better prospects, how would you feel if Galvestonians called its proprietor, your wife, a coward? Would you object? And if so, would you object if I then called you out as a hypocrite?


Kroger is right on the seawall and they opened up very soon after the storm. Many other businesses around HEB opened up right away after the storm. I guess the store was good for some people but my family kind of thought it was a dump. Maybe as HEB felt it just wasn't a profitable idea to reopen such a small mediocre store. The majority of the people I know went to Kroger or Walmart. My wife misses the quilt store and we miss the Diner and Cajun Greek. Saw some work going on in the Diner building last weekend but not sure if same folks are reopening it up.
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Posted Tuesday, February 17, 2009 at 1:57 PM

As of yesterday on the Strand:

Waited until well after noon for Murphy's Pub to open. Hope they were closed because they had such a good Mardi Gras that no one was awake. Guys working on space next door shrugged and said that the bar's schedule was very erratic - "sometimes they show up, sometimes they don't."

Two flip-flop 'n' soda shops open. Only restaurant was Willie G's. packed out the door at 11 as a cruise ship was docked. Got offered some knockoff watches by a gent in sore need of a bath, and felt nervous walking up Mechanic in broad daylight for the first time in decades thanks to some of the sidewalk denizens making comments.

Big House Antiques open - parrots are fine. :D Browsed and planned to come back after lunch, (which we never had) but didn't because we were hungry and tired of almost being run over. Since the Strand is mostly deserted, it's now a thoroughfare from Harborside/Broadway. Very few people paying attention to the 4-way stop signs. Got flipped off a couple of times for having the temerity to cross the street, and my husband and I aren't old - we can walk fast. Saw the Emporium open up around noon, but it was just too depressing to stay any longer - parts looked like some of the 1960's photos in Howard Barnstone's book The Galveston That Was. We wondered if a lot of the shops are doing vendor stands during Mardi Gras.

Work continues at Hendley Market, King's Confectionary and the Tremont. Yaga's open on the weekends. Luigi's allegedly "opening soon". Van Heusen's outlet/Bass store gone, as are Midsommer Books and Chico's - just trying to remember specific names & possible landmarks. No idea about Fuddrucker's. Col. Bubbie's still open; just not yesterday - side of the building took a hell of a beating; bricks loose, rust all over the place, etc. Water line for Ike while standing on the elevated sidewalk was over a foot above my husband's head, and he's 6 feet tall.

Maybe businesses near the Seawall are doing better. We'll be back; happy to spend our money and support Galveston when more places are open and things are a bit....safer. :mellow:
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Posted Tuesday, February 17, 2009 at 4:04 PM

I would like to see Island Transit extended to League City, La Marque, Hitchcock, Dickinson, and/or League City. I think better public transport and linking the mainland populations to the island will help out Galveston.

Do you guys think League City and/or Texas City will become the commercial center for Galveston County?

I also wish that someday Scholes would get flights to Dallas, but I dunno how economical that would ever turn out to be.
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Posted Tuesday, February 17, 2009 at 7:37 PM

View PostVicMan, on Tuesday, February 17th, 2009 @ 3:04pm, said:

I would like to see Island Transit extended to League City, La Marque, Hitchcock, Dickinson, and/or League City. I think better public transport and linking the mainland populations to the island will help out Galveston.


I seriously doubt it. Truly rapid transit to Houston could probably help out downtown Galveston quite a bit, I think, but that's an unrealistic expectation. And if the transit being provided isn't at least as convenient as driving, it's not going to serve a population with enough discretionary income to support island retailers.

View PostVicMan, on Tuesday, February 17th, 2009 @ 3:04pm, said:

Do you guys think League City and/or Texas City will become the commercial center for Galveston County?


Yes, absolutely. The intersection of I-45 and 646 in League City already is as far as I'm concerned.
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Posted Friday, February 20, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Thought y'all might enjoy some of the pictures I took in Galveston last week (before Mardi Gras got started).

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Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Something else to share:

Five months later, taking stock of Galveston's restaurants post-Ike

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Posted Monday, February 23, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Oooh, a Harborside Olympia Grill....q~~~~~~ I'll look forward to that. B)

Fisherman's Wharf had a big sign saying "Not open on Mondays" when we went; hence the line out the door at Willie G's. Not fond of Joe's in the first place, so we didn't even look there. Anyone see Yaga's open on the weekend as their sign claimed?, Then again, "open" during Mardi Gras could mean shots on the patio. :P Have yet to see anything about Waterwall on Strand, darn it. Sometimes, a girl just wants a loaded baked potato with jalepenos al fresco.
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Posted Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 7:23 PM

View Postsheeats, on Monday, February 23rd, 2009 @ 4:13pm, said:



Yaga's opened last week. Soon on Olympia @ Harborside.....I hope.
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Posted Tuesday, April 7, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Went to Galveston for the first time since Ike last weekend. Seawall side seems pretty much back to normal but not much activity in the Strand area with the exception of the Grand Oprah House. Kind of sad to see that since that was my favorite part of Galveston. Could be years before it returns to normal, if ever.

Noticed no work had been done on the Flagship hotel. Still has no access. Anyone heard if it's going to be rebuilt or not? I know it was in pretty dismal shape before Ike.
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Posted Monday, April 13, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Mrs. Porchman and I scooted down to the Island today. Gorgeous weather! Here's a bit of what we saw.

The Flagship has seen better days. The driveway onto its pier is still collapsed.
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While the loss of the historic Balinese Room is sad, the view east of 25th is remarkably uncluttered (save pouting children).
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The Strand looks like the Strand when you first get there. Then you realize how bad things were. See the water line marked with blue tape?
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Notice the new stair risers indicating how high the water rose. The buildings themselves seem in good shape. Their interiors are not.
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About 1/3 of the Strand has operating businesses. One observation...bars and restaurants are making a much more noticeable appearance along the Strand. Several of them are new (at least to me) - tequila bars, wine bars. Yaga's is open. Luigi's appears to be on the verge of reopening. It also looks like La King's will be getting the soda fountain going soon. It appears the flood preserved the signs..
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Other than a handful of gee-gaw shops (t-shirts, crystal objet that you didn't realize you needed), the retail operations are gone. No more outlets. No more Col. Bubby's.

We did not think the houses looked all that bad. In fact, we thought the storm may have pushed some much needed paint jobs all over the island. However, as we discovered on the Strand, the exterior may not tell the whole story. Suffering a broken toe, I did not walk the neighborhoods as I often do. Such walks often help reveal much about what's happening along those streets.

The Galvestonian lost its deck, pool and its really cool dune bridge (along with much of the dunes).
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There is also much patch-up underway on other parts of the island. Seawall Blvd was spotty. Many businesses are open. MANY people going to the freshly restored beaches. That was good to see.

There was something out of place during our visit. I was not sure about it originally. Then it became very apparent. The trees...they're brined. This is what Church Street looked like today.
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Broadway and so many other streets looked much the same. For me, this was the saddest sight of the visit. The charm that the old trees gave to the old island neighorhoods is gone. Some of the trees showed some signs of foliage. Many did not. It looks like winter there.

At this point, I could make some comment that I hope Galveston sees its Spring season soon. However, all the poets I studied in high school (not to mention the Mamas and the Papas) make such references trite. Besides, there are so many challenges and it seems so many unknowns (e.g. what is the future of the Island's biggest employer?). It is clearly a game-changing opportunity and challenge for Galveston to recover from Ike. I hope the people of Galveston are up to the task, because, in play with the seasonal metaphor, the Island's groundhog drowned.
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Posted Monday, April 13, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Porchman! Long time, no see!

I had the same reaction to the trees. Even some of the oleanders are struggling.
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Posted Monday, April 13, 2009 at 11:48 PM

I went to Galveston for the first time since Ike two weeks ago and it was in great shape but Bolivar, not so much.

I actually think the Hurricane was a great thing for the strand and other historic neighborhoods. They are completely restoring most of the buildings downtown and a whole ton of beautiful old victorian houses were being completely restored. If you ask me, Im glad the hurricane hit. The Strand looked great too and the restorations look beautiful. Although there wasnt much going on on the strand but in a year I bet all the buildings will have completely new stores in them and it will be alive more than ever before once its restored fully.
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Posted Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 10:41 AM

View Postphotolitherland, on Monday, April 13th, 2009 @ 11:48pm, said:

I went to Galveston for the first time since Ike two weeks ago and it was in great shape but Bolivar, not so much.

I actually think the Hurricane was a great thing for the strand and other historic neighborhoods. They are completely restoring most of the buildings downtown and a whole ton of beautiful old victorian houses were being completely restored. If you ask me, Im glad the hurricane hit. The Strand looked great too and the restorations look beautiful. Although there wasnt much going on on the strand but in a year I bet all the buildings will have completely new stores in them and it will be alive more than ever before once its restored fully.


How will any new businesses get insurance on the Strand? Restaurants, maybe. But any retail risks losing its inventory with another bad storm surge.

A neighbor is BOI & has told me enough about damage on the Island that I'm not glad the storm hit.

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Posted Sunday, April 19, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Was out in Galveston this weekend doing some work on our place.

Decided to go take in the island with the nice weather Sunday after the hellashish rain storm all day Saturday.

Seawall side was very nice with many folks on the beach but the strand was depressing. Not much to get out and walk around to see as most still seemed closed except for the bar, etc that seem to be springing back up. Also didn't look to safe (sorry it is what it is) with some of the characters we did see walking up and down the street and along the streets adjacent to the strand.

Shame used to spend many a day in that section but now mostly stay on Tiki, Moody Gardens or the Seawall side.

Wish the Strand would make it back. I know its got to be tough for those folks and doesn't seem like the city can help them much.

It did seem like lots of the buildings were for sail and I wonder if maybe this is why some have not reopened as the owners of the buildings don't want the tenants at this stage, but I am only guessing and can't say for sure.
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Posted Tuesday, April 21, 2009 at 1:01 PM

View PostMr. B, on Sunday, April 19th, 2009 @ 9:41pm, said:

Was out in Galveston this weekend doing some work on our place.

Decided to go take in the island with the nice weather Sunday after the hellashish rain storm all day Saturday.

Seawall side was very nice with many folks on the beach but the strand was depressing. Not much to get out and walk around to see as most still seemed closed except for the bar, etc that seem to be springing back up. Also didn't look to safe (sorry it is what it is) with some of the characters we did see walking up and down the street and along the streets adjacent to the strand.

Shame used to spend many a day in that section but now mostly stay on Tiki, Moody Gardens or the Seawall side.

Wish the Strand would make it back. I know its got to be tough for those folks and doesn't seem like the city can help them much.

It did seem like lots of the buildings were for sail and I wonder if maybe this is why some have not reopened as the owners of the buildings don't want the tenants at this stage, but I am only guessing and can't say for sure.


"...lots of the buildings were for sail"

Freudian spelling slip? :P
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Posted Saturday, April 25, 2009 at 11:32 AM

The seawall side of Galveston looks much better than people probably imagine.
Almost all the restaurants are back, most of the motels are open, and there are people everywhere. ^_^

The most obvious casualties are the ocean extensions: the Flagship, the fishing pier, the Balinese, Hooters, etc.
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Posted Tuesday, April 28, 2009 at 7:56 AM

11,000 dead trees could cost $706,000

By HARVEY RICE HOUSTON CHRONICLE

GALVESTON — Hurricane Ike may have killed an estimated 31,000 Galveston trees on private property and an additional 11,000 on the city right of way that will probably have to be removed for safety reasons, the Texas Forest Service said.

The Forest Service estimated the cost of removing the trees from the public right of way at $706,000, based on Federal Emergency Management Agency estimations.

Michael Merritt, Forest Service Bayou Region urban forestry coordinator, said most of the trees are either dead or dying and will probably need to be removed.

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Posted Tuesday, April 28, 2009 at 8:27 AM

Galveston is among 11 sites on the list of "America's 11 Most Endangered Historic Places" assembled by the National Trust for Historic Preservation



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(CNN) -- After Hurricane Ike slammed into Galveston, Texas, in September, the 12-block Strand Historic District, with its 19th-century buildings and their elaborate cast-iron storefronts, was awash in 13 feet of saltwater, oil and debris.

The water "permeated the columns and arches, weakening the interior brick support and greatly accelerating rust," said Peter Brink, vice president for programs at the National Trust for Historic Preservation. In other words, the forces of nature put a historic area in jeopardy.


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Posted Monday, May 11, 2009 at 12:32 PM

I posted this in the "Galveston after Ike" thread; it probably belongs more appropriately here.
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Posted Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at 12:16 AM

View PostPorchman, on Tuesday, April 28th, 2009 @ 8:27am, said:

Galveston is among 11 sites on the list of "America's 11 Most Endangered Historic Places" assembled by the National Trust for Historic Preservation





The CNN story continues here



Peter Brink was one of the directors of the Galveston Historic Foundation back in the '70s. He made it to the big time.

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Posted Monday, June 29, 2009 at 2:56 PM

I was down there this morning for the first time since Ike (my wife has vacation this week so we took the 2 year old to the beach) and it just feels weird. I couldn't figure it out until I realize that it was all of the leafless and/or dead trees everywhere. It's hot as heck and the trees are all dead and look like winter. Really eerie.

We didn't explore too much, but at least around Seawall and Broadway and the Strand, things look fairly normal. The most distressing thing to me was the condition of the Flagship, but aside from that and a few unrepaired houses and boarded windows here and there, things were better than I thought they'd be.

But the trees... just sad.
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Posted Monday, June 29, 2009 at 5:53 PM

View Postcottonmather0, on Monday, June 29th, 2009 @ 2:56pm, said:

I was down there this morning for the first time since Ike (my wife has vacation this week so we took the 2 year old to the beach) and it just feels weird. I couldn't figure it out until I realize that it was all of the leafless and/or dead trees everywhere. It's hot as heck and the trees are all dead and look like winter. Really eerie.

We didn't explore too much, but at least around Seawall and Broadway and the Strand, things look fairly normal. The most distressing thing to me was the condition of the Flagship, but aside from that and a few unrepaired houses and boarded windows here and there, things were better than I thought they'd be.

But the trees... just sad.


I have to admit that downtown Galveston is coming back better than I thought it would. And aside from the destruction of buildings that were perched over the Gulf, it's hard to tell that a hurricane ever happened when you're driving the Seawall.

Tree removal is going to begin in July.
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Posted Sunday, July 5, 2009 at 12:00 AM

My dad's boss used to have a beach house in Pirate's Cove. We went down in June to see if we could find it. We couldn't even find the street it was on - three rows of homes and a street have gone. All the dunes have gone. Trees are all dead and creepy.

It was quite disconcerning.




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Posted Sunday, July 5, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I heard there's also a tree arsonist in Galveston that's already torched over a dozen.
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Posted Sunday, July 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM

View PostIronTiger, on 05 July 2009 - 03:50 PM, said:

I heard there's also a tree arsonist in Galveston that's already torched over a dozen.


Someone is burning Palm Trees in Galveston, the trees that survived Ike. More than 30 have been burned in the last two months. Posted Image
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Posted Monday, July 6, 2009 at 10:03 PM

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There's big news on the road to recovery in Galveston. A vote Monday means the Shriners Hospital in Galveston will likely be re-opening. Sources tell us it's a done deal, that the Shriners delegates voted to reopen the respected Galveston children's hospital by a wide enough margin that there probably will not be another vote. The vote was 756 to 482.
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Posted Wednesday, July 8, 2009 at 10:51 PM

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Hundreds of old historic trees are being torn down Wednesday in Galveston. Not everyone is happy about it, but it's a step the city says it needs to take as it continues to recover from Hurricane Ike.

The city started cutting down trees in its public park. Over the next couple of weeks, it will move on to the airport, city building and local right of way.

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Within the next two weeks, city crews will rip out as many as 11,000 dying and damaged trees from Ike's salty storm surge.

A forester with the Texas Forestry Service, Pete Smith, is one of the unlikely executioners, deciding which trees will come down.

Even after ten months, Smith admits he would like to give the trees more time to recover, but the city is working against a deadline of September 12 to qualify for 100% reimbursement from FEMA.

Smith says the replanting of trees could start this November but, it will likely be at least ten years before we see anything resembling what Galveston used to have.


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