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Posted Thursday, June 21, 2007 at 5:18 AM

Over the past few years of internet collecting, I've scrounged up quite a few
pictures of Camp Logan. I haven't seen much listed on it, so I thought I would
throw a few on. Here are 15 of them.. I also have a detailed map of the camp
that was drawn by a map maker soldier who was there.
The writing you see on the pictures is backwards, but the image itself is
the right way. It's only the writing that is backwards.
Sorry if these dupe any others might have already posted..
I get these from various sites.. Many came from the library of congress,
but some came from other sites.
I've got more, but I don't want to bog you all down at one time..
I'm on cable now, so pretty zippy, but I realize it can take a while
for a dial up to load the page.. So I better not get too carried away..
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Posted Thursday, June 21, 2007 at 8:19 AM

For those who aren't familiar with Camp Logan, it was a WWI training site on what is now Memorial Park.

At one point, more than 30,000 men trained there. It was also the site of a riot in 1917 between police and black soldiers that resulted in the declaration of martial law in Houston.

Here's a couple of short articles I found:
http://www.hal-pc.org/~lfa/BB17.html
http://www.tsha.utex...s/CC/qcc26.html
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Posted Thursday, June 21, 2007 at 9:41 AM

View Postnativehou, on Thursday, June 21st, 2007 @ 8:19am, said:

For those who aren't familiar with Camp Logan, it was a WWI training site on what is now Memorial Park.

At one point, more than 30,000 men trained there. It was also the site of a riot in 1917 between police and black soldiers that resulted in the declaration of martial law in Houston.

Here's a couple of short articles I found:
http://www.hal-pc.org/~lfa/BB17.html
http://www.tsha.utex...s/CC/qcc26.html


Great photos.....
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Posted Thursday, June 21, 2007 at 9:43 AM

View PostEarlydays, on Thursday, June 21st, 2007 @ 9:41am, said:

Great photos.....


Ditto. Thanks for posting them!
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Posted Saturday, June 23, 2007 at 6:42 AM

Isuredid, I got your mail about the junction, but when I replied it said your box was full.
That is near the junction, but not totally sure exactly where. The pix is not cropped.
Check this site.. Thats where I got that picture and map.
http://www.jimgill.n...ages/index.html
You can check the map sections, and maybe get a clue.. Also lots
more pix that I haven't posted yet..
Also has all his letter from the camp, which are a pretty interesting read.
Note that there is a pix of a water tower. That is on the map, and also near
the junction. There may be others taken near that area.
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Posted Saturday, June 23, 2007 at 4:19 PM

View Postnm5k, on Thursday, June 21st, 2007 @ 5:18am, said:

Over the past few years of internet collecting, I've scrounged up quite a few
pictures of Camp Logan. I haven't seen much listed on it, so I thought I would
throw a few on. Here are 15 of them.. I also have a detailed map of the camp
that was drawn by a map maker soldier who was there.
The writing you see on the pictures is backwards, but the image itself is
the right way. It's only the writing that is backwards.
Sorry if these dupe any others might have already posted..
I get these from various sites.. Many came from the library of congress,
but some came from other sites.
I've got more, but I don't want to bog you all down at one time..
I'm on cable now, so pretty zippy, but I realize it can take a while
for a dial up to load the page.. So I better not get too carried away..
MK

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Here is a "Then and Now" photo of the area where the soldier is lying on the RR tracks:

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Posted Saturday, June 23, 2007 at 4:53 PM

View Postnativehou, on Thursday, June 21st, 2007 @ 8:19am, said:

For those who aren't familiar with Camp Logan, it was a WWI training site on what is now Memorial Park. At one point, more than 30,000 men trained there. It was also the site of a riot in 1917 between police and black soldiers that resulted in the declaration of martial law in Houston.

What you say is correct, but at the risk of being labeled "terminally anal", Camp Logan wasn't the site of the actual rioting. The riots happened in two places, both several miles outside the camp, when a crowd of black soldiers started moving toward downtown. Here's how one local history website describes it.

"The acts of violence took place in two locations along Buffalo Bayou. The first was the suburban residential community of Brunner, located on the north side of Buffalo Bayou and centered at the intersection of Washington Avenue and the modern Shepherd Drive. The second scene of rioting took place on the south side of Buffalo Bayou along San Felipe Road, now known as West Dallas Avenue, in a residential area of the Fourth Ward known as the San Felipe District."

You can read the whole story of the riots, and check out a map showing the route the rioting soldiers took and how the events progressed at http://www.hal-pc.org/~lfa/BB55.html

Oh yes. My thanks to nm5k for posting this incredible set of photos. They're great. It's like looking backward in time.

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Posted Saturday, June 23, 2007 at 7:19 PM

The track location looks pretty close. I think picture #11 where all the
soldiers are on horseback may well be at the entrance to what is now
picnic lane. Not totally sure, but the way the ditch on the side of the road
looks, it sure likes like the road in front of the ballball place, etc.
I haven't been out there in quite a while, but the south side of the street
has the large parking lot lining it, with the open area across the street
where people often play football, etc.. I'm not sure if the ditch you see
in the picture is the north or south side, but to this day, the north side
has a definite "ditch" on the side of the road, and the east may too,
but I always remember the north side as standing out more.
So I'm kinda leaning to that being the north side of the road,
looking east, but just speculation.
yea, know what you mean about looking back in time.
I like old pictures.. Have 100's and 100's and 100's of them
on my hard drive. I just now looked in just one folder alone and
had 2300 pictures in it.. What I like is many of the old pictures have
quite high quality, even compared to todays B/W standards.
IE: Some of Brady's civil war pix are amazing quality for the
mid 1800's. The first picture ever taken was in 1839..Of course,
I have it on my hard drive.. :) It's a self poitrait of the picture
taker.. I also collect lots of the large city panaramic photo's.
It's weird to look at an old picture and know that everyone in
it is long gone.. But except for some old sound clips from the
late 1800's, the old pictures are the next best thing to climbing
into a time machine.
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Posted Saturday, June 23, 2007 at 8:27 PM

View Postnm5k, on Saturday, June 23rd, 2007 @ 7:19pm, said:

The track location looks pretty close.


The Washington Road used to cross Eureka Junction at street level until the 1930s when they added the underpass. That crossing behind the guy on the tracks is Eureka Junction crossing before the underpass was built. The photo I took shows the same scene, but a track has been added and the place where those warning barricades are in the old photo, are now the top of the bridge of the RR tracks over the underpass. The track on the right is the old Houston & Texas Central (Southern Pacific) which runs along 290. The track on the left, I think, is the MKT track and wasn't added until the turn of the century. That is the link to Stella, or the Stella cutoff, or the Stella Link which runs through Memorial Park. This would be the area marked Eureka Pines on the Camp Logan map. Here is another view of the same location from an automobile's perspective:

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Posted Saturday, June 23, 2007 at 9:03 PM

Here is a topo map of the same area a few years later:

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Posted Saturday, June 23, 2007 at 9:21 PM

This is an interesting thread, and the images are fascinating. On one of the park's bike trails south of Memorial, you can see several old building foundations in the middle of the woods. I have often wondered if these were remnants of some of the Camp Logan buildings. Does anyone know anything about these?
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Posted Saturday, June 23, 2007 at 9:38 PM

View PostDan the Man, on Saturday, June 23rd, 2007 @ 10:21pm, said:

This is an interesting thread, and the images are fascinating. On one of the park's bike trails south of Memorial, you can see several old building foundations in the middle of the woods. I have often wondered if these were remnants of some of the Camp Logan buildings. Does anyone know anything about these?


I'm pretty sure most do date from Camp Logan. What I like about the map, is I can actually see
fairly close what parts of the park they actually camped in. I never knew for sure until I saw
that map. They had them lined up on the straight entrance to the park, and also back a bit
to the east. But it looks like the bulk of the camp was north of what is now memorial.
All the training grounds, barracks, etc... Most of that is golf course now I guess.
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Posted Sunday, June 24, 2007 at 1:43 AM

View Postisuredid, on Saturday, June 23rd, 2007 @ 9:03pm, said:

Here is a topo map of the same area a few years later:

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That is some pretty impressive research. Where did you find the map?

I compared it with a KeyMap, and it appears that that cluster of black rectangles in the lower center of the map (which I assume are the barracks) would cover the present day streets of Terrace, East Cowan, and West Cowan, which are just to the north of Memorial Dr. and just outside of the present day park. So it would seem that the barracks of Camp Logan were not actually in Memorial Park.

Other interesting features of that map are the Shepherd bridge in the lower right corner (I think there was also a dam there), and opposite the bayou from the two southernmost-extending streets of the Military Addition is present day Bayou Bend.

Question: do those tributaries, or "fingers," of the bayou still exist? It seems like if they did at least a few of them would cross Memorial, and I don't recall any bridges along there.
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Posted Sunday, June 24, 2007 at 2:11 AM

View PostH-Town Man, on Sunday, June 24th, 2007 @ 1:43am, said:

Question: do those tributaries, or "fingers," of the bayou still exist? It seems like if they did at least a few of them would cross Memorial, and I don't recall any bridges along there.


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Posted Sunday, June 24, 2007 at 10:25 AM

View PostH-Town Man, on Sunday, June 24th, 2007 @ 1:43am, said:

Question: do those tributaries, or "fingers," of the bayou still exist? It seems like if they did at least a few of them would cross Memorial, and I don't recall any bridges along there.

When the present day Memorial Drive was built, it was constructed more as a dam than a bridge. This cut off many of the tributaries that you see in the earlier maps. Some of the tributaries were filled in, and others were used for drainage, with culverts going under Memorial to drain into the bayou. One of the most noticable is on the grounds of Park Memorial Condominiums, where Memorial Drive is several feet higher than the former creek on the north side of the road. I used to live in a building that sat on the hill of this former creek. During Allison, Buffalo Bayou flooded across Memorial and reclaimed the creekbed, rising up the hill until it flooded the unit below mine with 8 inches of water. I t also flooded Bayou On The Bend Apartments on the other side of Memorial into the second floor. This was its last flood. They were later demolished, to be replaced by the new much more flood resistant structure.

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Posted Sunday, June 24, 2007 at 2:08 PM

View PostRedScare, on Sunday, June 24th, 2007 @ 10:25am, said:

When the present day Memorial Drive was built, it was constructed more as a dam than a bridge. This cut off many of the tributaries that you see in the earlier maps. Some of the tributaries were filled in, and others were used for drainage, with culverts going under Memorial to drain into the bayou. One of the most noticable is on the grounds of Park Memorial Condominiums, where Memorial Drive is several feet higher than the former creek on the north side of the road. I used to live in a building that sat on the hill of this former creek. During Allison, Buffalo Bayou flooded across Memorial and reclaimed the creekbed, rising up the hill until it flooded the unit below mine with 8 inches of water. I t also flooded Bayou On The Bend Apartments on the other side of Memorial into the second floor. This was its last flood. They were later demolished, to be replaced by the new much more flood resistant structure.


People forget where the water courses used to be with all of the filled in gullies, but when something like Allison happens, the water remembers. Troon Road in River Oaks was originally a deep gully that was landscaped and paved. I imagine Tiel Way was too. I know the houses on Tiel Way flooded during Allison, but I don't know about Troon.

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Posted Sunday, June 24, 2007 at 7:25 PM

Yes, those tributaries still exist, especially the one that drains the golf course. It's very hard to tell when you are driving along Memorial, but if you ever run along the jogging trail if you look over you can easily see how deep the ravine is on the north side (towards the golf course) when you get to the bottom of that low spot on Memorial between the circle and Picnic Loop. The water flows underneath Memorial Drive through a big culvert and then along the east side of picnic loop, just inside the tree line. It's a HUGE gully on both sides of the road and the dropoff from the trail is very very steep for a few feet right at the very bottom. On the other side of Memorial at the same spot, the (relatively new) paved bicycle path on the south side of the road has a wooden bridge.

This is the spot where the running trail usually washes out, for obvious reasons, and lately there has been bright orange safety netting on the side of the trail. I have always thought that it would be pretty easy for someone to slip and fall a long way, so that netting is a good idea.

If you are a golfer, this is the large ravine that enters the golf course just east of the clubhouse (it is heavily landscaped here) and flows across the 9th fairway and forms the lateral hazard along the left side of the 1st fairway and the left side of the 9th fairway. You hit across it (or an arm of it, at least) on Hole #2, then it forms the VERY deep creek/hazard that flows across Hole #7 (the long par 3) in front of the tee box. It is heavily wooded between the cart path and the jogging trail, but the small wooden bridge that you cross in your cart is not far at all from the jogging trail and the culvert underneath Memorial Drive, you just can't usually see it (or think to look) when you're playing golf.

As far as what's on the upstream side of the park, I can't really say. I am sure that in the past it went further up towards Washington Ave, but nowadays it just looks like it starts at the ditch across the street from the golf course.

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Posted Sunday, June 24, 2007 at 10:40 PM

View PostH-Town Man, on Sunday, June 24th, 2007 @ 2:43am, said:

That is some pretty impressive research. Where did you find the map?

I compared it with a KeyMap, and it appears that that cluster of black rectangles in the lower center of the map (which I assume are the barracks) would cover the present day streets of Terrace, East Cowan, and West Cowan, which are just to the north of Memorial Dr. and just outside of the present day park. So it would seem that the barracks of Camp Logan were not actually in Memorial Park.

Other interesting features of that map are the Shepherd bridge in the lower right corner (I think there was also a dam there), and opposite the bayou from the two southernmost-extending streets of the Military Addition is present day Bayou Bend.

Question: do those tributaries, or "fingers," of the bayou still exist? It seems like if they did at least a few of them would cross Memorial, and I don't recall any bridges along there.

>I compared it with a KeyMap, and it appears that that cluster of black rectangles in the lower center of the map (which I assume are the barracks) would cover the present day streets of >Terrace, East Cowan, and West Cowan, which are just to the north of Memorial Dr. and just outside of the present day park. So it would seem that the barracks of Camp Logan were not >actually in Memorial Park.

Are you going by the color topo map above? I think that was in 1922 when Camp Logan was gone. None of the barracks
are in that picture that I can see. Many of the barracks were inside what is now the park. Both north, and south of
Memorial.
Here is the drawing of the camp with the pieces put together. North is up.
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Posted Monday, June 25, 2007 at 11:06 PM

View Postnm5k, on Sunday, June 24th, 2007 @ 10:40pm, said:

>I compared it with a KeyMap, and it appears that that cluster of black rectangles in the lower center of the map (which I assume are the barracks) would cover the present day streets of >Terrace, East Cowan, and West Cowan, which are just to the north of Memorial Dr. and just outside of the present day park. So it would seem that the barracks of Camp Logan were not >actually in Memorial Park.

Are you going by the color topo map above? I think that was in 1922 when Camp Logan was gone. None of the barracks
are in that picture that I can see. Many of the barracks were inside what is now the park. Both north, and south of
Memorial.
Here is the drawing of the camp with the pieces put together. North is up.
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Yes, I was going by the topo map - thank you for setting me straight. I see where the barracks were now. But then what are all those black rectangles in the lower center area of the topo map? A few of them are also on your map in the same geographical location, though not as many.

Niche and RedScare - good info.
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Posted Tuesday, June 26, 2007 at 11:34 PM

View PostH-Town Man, on Tuesday, June 26th, 2007 @ 12:06am, said:

Yes, I was going by the topo map - thank you for setting me straight. I see where the barracks were now. But then what are all those black rectangles in the lower center area of the topo map? A few of them are also on your map in the same geographical location, though not as many.

Niche and RedScare - good info.


They are all buildings, houses, but I'm not sure what would have been there in 1922.
The camp hospital seems to be in that area, but not sure what happened to the buildings
after the war was over. Looks like they built more in that area.
I don't think it was actually a park until 1925, which would be three years after that
topo map was drawn.
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Posted Wednesday, June 27, 2007 at 12:10 PM

I found it interesting that the soldier who took all those photos mentioned, in one of his letters home, catching horned toads in the Memorial Park area. We used to find horned toads when we went dewberry picking in SW Houston in the 60s. I wonder when horned toads disappeared from the Houston area and where is their closest habitant now.
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Posted Wednesday, June 27, 2007 at 2:08 PM

View Postisuredid, on Wednesday, June 27th, 2007 @ 1:10pm, said:

I found it interesting that the soldier who took all those photos mentioned, in one of his letters home, catching horned toads in the Memorial Park area. We used to find horned toads when we went dewberry picking in SW Houston in the 60s. I wonder when horned toads disappeared from the Houston area and where is their closest habitant now.


Dunno. Thats a pretty good question. I remember when I lived in Dallas as a young kid, I saw
them all the time. They ran around the backyard, and I used to catch loads of em..
I've lived here since 1969, and I can't remember if I've ever seen one here or not..
Maybe one or two a long time ago, but they are rare for sure.
I often wonder how the areas north of here are holding up as far as those.
IE: Does Dallas still have em? I know they used to have loads of them.
One thing interesting...This past weekend I took a drive out west to a friend
of mines property. He has 8 acres near Cistern Tx, which is in Fayette<sp?> county.
When we were there, my friend mentioned that his son found one there recently.
So, I guess there are still a few out in the boonies.
I remember in Oklahoma they used to have quite a few there also, and ditto for
many sections of AR.
They were quite common around Roff, OK, where my grandmother used to live.
That is near Ada. Also it seems I used to see them in Hot Springs, AR at my
other grandparents. Not sure how they held up there.
I recently bought 5 acres on Lake Eufaula in OK, and I've been up there clearing
some downed trees, brush, etc, but haven't seen one there yet. But I haven't had
that place too long, so the jury is still out.. Lots of critters on that property though..
I wonder how pollution factors into all this vs clearing of habitat..
Note the absence of lightning bugs in this area.. I'm fairly sure they were natural
to this area, but you rarely see them now. Most sources claim air pollution is
the main reason for those dwindling away. The reason I question clearing of
habitat, is they had loads of them in out our residential area of Dallas in the 50's..
The houses, etc didn't seem to bother them then.. So I wonder if it is something
with the air quality.
Quite a few lightning bugs up at Lake Eufaula..I saw them as early as April this
year, when it was still on the cool side.
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Posted Friday, June 29, 2007 at 6:59 PM

View PostH-Town Man, on Sunday, June 24th, 2007 @ 1:43am, said:

I compared it with a KeyMap, and it appears that that cluster of black rectangles in the lower center of the map (which I assume are the barracks) would cover the present day streets of Terrace, East Cowan, and West Cowan, which are just to the north of Memorial Dr. and just outside of the present day park. So it would seem that the barracks of Camp Logan were not actually in Memorial Park.


The area around W. Cowen, E. Cowen, and Crestwood was the location of the Army Base hospital.
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Posted Friday, June 29, 2007 at 7:42 PM

El Paso has many horned toads. We have plenty here in SW NM. They are protected by the State of NM and a very large fine for keeping them.
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Posted Saturday, June 30, 2007 at 8:50 PM

The fire ants took over. I'd leave too.
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Posted Friday, February 29, 2008 at 7:05 PM

View Postisuredid, on Saturday, June 23rd, 2007 @ 4:19pm, said:

Here is a "Then and Now" photo of the area where the soldier is lying on the RR tracks:

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I hate to say this, but that is not where the soldier laid on the R/R tracks. If you look at the old picture where the guy is on the tracks,the tracks on the right side of the picture curve toward the right. The tracks on the left side of the picture curve out toward the left. Only one area in Camp Logan had the tracks like that, on the north side of where Old Katy Road crossed Washington Road.

View Postnm5k, on Thursday, June 21st, 2007 @ 5:18am, said:

Over the past few years of internet collecting, I've scrounged up quite a few
pictures of Camp Logan. I haven't seen much listed on it, so I thought I would
throw a few on. Here are 15 of them.. I also have a detailed map of the camp
that was drawn by a map maker soldier who was there.
The writing you see on the pictures is backwards, but the image itself is
the right way. It's only the writing that is backwards.
Sorry if these dupe any others might have already posted..
I get these from various sites.. Many came from the library of congress,
but some came from other sites.
I've got more, but I don't want to bog you all down at one time..
I'm on cable now, so pretty zippy, but I realize it can take a while
for a dial up to load the page.. So I better not get too carried away..
MK




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I have accumulated over 30 pictures/postcards of Camp Logan.
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Posted Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 12:51 PM

View PostWhitesman, on Friday, February 29th, 2008 @ 7:05pm, said:

I hate to say this, but that is not where the soldier laid on the R/R tracks. If you look at the old picture where the guy is on the tracks,the tracks on the right side of the picture curve toward the right. The tracks on the left side of the picture curve out toward the left. Only one area in Camp Logan had the tracks like that, on the north side of where Old Katy Road crossed Washington Road.


The area you describe was wooded at the time (still is). I don't see any evidence of that in the photo. And that looks like the Eureka Crossing of the Washington Road in the backgroud. Another point is that Old Katy Road crossing was just above the fork or junction. The soldier photo shows two clearly separated tracks with the road crossing still ahead. The track on the right in my photo does curve off to the right, although that may not be visible in the photo I posted. The photo I took would also have been close to the Eureka Station which seems a more likely place for a soldier to be who might have been coming from or going into Houston on the train. There wasn't anything in the area you described execpt a grove of trees which are not visible in the photo.

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This map was drawn while Camp Logan was still intact

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Posted Saturday, March 1, 2008 at 10:55 PM

View Postisuredid, on Saturday, March 1st, 2008 @ 11:51am, said:

The area you describe was wooded at the time (still is). I don't see any evidence of that in the photo. And that looks like the Eureka Crossing of the Washington Road in the backgroud. Another point is that Old Katy Road crossing was just above the fork or junction. The soldier photo shows two clearly separated tracks with the road crossing still ahead. The track on the right in my photo does curve off to the right, although that may not be visible in the photo I posted. The photo I took would also have been close to the Eureka Station which seems a more likely place for a soldier to be who might have been coming from or going into Houston on the train. There wasn't anything in the area you described execpt a grove of trees which are not visible in the photo.

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This map was drawn while Camp Logan was still intact

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I have metal detected in the area where Old Katy Road crossed the R/R tracks. I have also been to where the Eureka Road crosses the tracks also. I have 2 pictures of the spot at Old Katy Road and the tracks taken last year. One was taken on the east side of the tracks, and one was taken on the west side of the tracks.Both were taken just on the north side of where Old Katy Road crossed the R/R tracks. The soldiers picture was taken on the east tracks, on the north side of Old Katy Road.
That is the only spot where the tracks curve outward at both tracks.It is on the map you show posted. The small curved tracks just on the south side of the Old Katy Road were part of Camp Logan also.

The old Katy Railroad tracks ( now gone) can be seen in the background of the soldiers picture laying on the tracks.
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Posted Sunday, March 2, 2008 at 11:32 AM

View PostWhitesman, on Saturday, March 1st, 2008 @ 10:55pm, said:

I have metal detected in the area where Old Katy Road crossed the R/R tracks. I have also been to where the Eureka Road crosses the tracks also. I have 2 pictures of the spot at Old Katy Road and the tracks taken last year. One was taken on the east side of the tracks, and one was taken on the west side of the tracks.Both were taken just on the north side of where Old Katy Road crossed the R/R tracks. The soldiers picture was taken on the east tracks, on the north side of Old Katy Road.
That is the only spot where the tracks curve outward at both tracks.It is on the map you show posted. The small curved tracks just on the south side of the Old Katy Road were part of Camp Logan also.

The old Katy Railroad tracks ( now gone) can be seen in the background of the soldiers picture laying on the tracks.


I studied the soldier photo again and I now agree with you that the location of the photo is likely where you say it was. This is, not only for the reasons you state but also because of the soldier's shadow. If the soldier were on the tracks in my photo his shadow would be pointing south, and that can't happen.

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Posted Saturday, March 8, 2008 at 11:49 AM

I have aquired some postcards and gotten some pictures of the Camp, on my photobucket site. I hope to get some more in the up coming months. If anyone has some they would like to share that I don't have, could you please PM me. I would like to add some more to my folder.

I live less than 3 miles from that area.

Thanks.


http://s119.photobuc...n/Camp%20Logan/
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Posted Saturday, June 21, 2008 at 2:56 PM

I went to the Texas room at the Houston Public Library today and found some old photos that I hadn't seen posted anywhere else before. I took the photos with my cell phone camera, so I apologise for the poor quality. Anyone interested in better quality photos of these can request them throught the Texas Room library attendants that can have the originals pulled from the archives. I would have done this myself, but I'm told that "Jason" is the only one who has access to those photos and that I would need to see him on a weekday to do so. This Jason apprently has a pretty boss job to be able to peruse millions of historic Houston photographs whenever he wants. Those interested need to request photos from MSS-187.

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Posted Saturday, June 21, 2008 at 10:09 PM

When I was doing my book on Houston streetcars I really wanted to find a photo of the streetcar turning loop at Camp Logan, but never found one. It was located at the edge of the camp near the corner of Ariel and Cohn streets, apparently across from the camp YMCA building. Surely some soldier took a snapshot of the streetcar. If anyone has such a photo I would love to see it.
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Posted Saturday, October 4, 2008 at 10:32 PM

View Postbaron, on Saturday, June 21st, 2008 @ 10:09pm, said:

When I was doing my book on Houston streetcars I really wanted to find a photo of the streetcar turning loop at Camp Logan, but never found one. It was located at the edge of the camp near the corner of Ariel and Cohn streets, apparently across from the camp YMCA building. Surely some soldier took a snapshot of the streetcar. If anyone has such a photo I would love to see it.

Anyone know the location or have a picture of where the Camp Logan Drugstore was located at???
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Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 11:56 AM

View Postisuredid, on Saturday, June 23rd, 2007 @ 8:03pm, said:

Here is a topo map of the same area a few years later:

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was looking for the history of Rice Military & ran across this extensive research link from a resident of the West End...notes some of the reference materials used for his research, thought they were good sources to help others, for example, specific year "directories" are priceless. The street name changes are good to know, the reference to Smokeytown is also very intriguing.
link: http://www.ricemilit...nts/history.htm
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In Will Hogg's 1929 City Planning Commission Report, Hare & Hare's advise on adopting a city plan to include zoning & parks, ..."the people of Houston and their officials will have to decide whether they are building a great city or merely a great population."
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Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 4:46 PM

View PostWhitesman, on Saturday, October 4th, 2008 @ 10:32pm, said:

Anyone know the location or have a picture of where the Camp Logan Drugstore was located at???

I don't have a picture, but I remember where it was. It was on Washington Avenue several blocks east of Westcott. It had been closed for a long time but the building and sign were still there.

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Posted Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at 4:57 PM

View PostWhitesman, on Saturday, October 4th, 2008 @ 9:32pm, said:

Anyone know the location or have a picture of where the Camp Logan Drugstore was located at???


You might ask the member who posted here if he found a photo. Sounds like it was a block west of Wabash Antiques.
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